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The Forum => Other Topics => Topic started by: Murci-Me on May 18, 2013, 11:08:49 PM
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Back in the begining of February, I got a ticket for not having plates on my Lambo. It was issued by the CHP, which are notorious here for being A-holes.
The officer told me that if I take my car into the CHP inspection to have the ticket signed off, I wont be charged an inspection fee like the LAPD or Sheriff will charge.
A week later I took my car into the CHP station with the license plate on, and the "volunteer" outside working the inspections look at my car and said they cant sign off the ticket because both front and rear plates needed to be on the car. So, I drove back home and put the front plate on, then drove back to the inspection station. The same moron was out there, and came over to my car. I handed him the ticket, and he made sure both plates were on the car. Then he says to me that he cant sign off on the ticket because I have tinted windows (true story). I looked at him and said the ticket is not for tinted windows, its for no plates on the car. Then he says he can sign off on the ticket, but he'll have to write me a ticket for the tinted windows, and its gonna be a couple hundred dollars because he has already given me a warning (verbal). I told him that was BS, and didnt appreciate being lied to about this. I told him to write me a ticket for whatever he wanted, but he has to sign off on the license plate ticket now.
Since he was a "volunteer", he personally couldnt write me the tinted window ticket, so he told me I had to go inside. We went in and he told a real officer that my car had tinted windows and needed a ticket written for it.
The officer asked me for my I.D. and started writing the ticket. After he was done he handed me the pad and told me to sign on the line, which I did. When he tore out my copy of the ticket and handed it to me, I noticed it was blank. Apparantly when he wrote the ticket he placed the sepperator in the wrong position and none of his writing transfered to my copy of the ticket. I showed him the problem, and he said it didnt matter because once the ticket gets into the system i'll get a letter in the mail for it anyway, but he then gave me a xerox copy of filled out ticket.
I waited til the last day (as planned) so I could call in and get an extension. The phone tree said the ticket number was not recognizable, and the ticket couldnt be found. I decided to go into the court and see what the problem was. The court clerk said they had no record of the ticket, and wrote me out a slip stating that I did appear at court on the date required. That was a month and a half ago.
Today I got home and checked the mail and there was a letter from the CHP stating that the date to appear on the ticket has been changed now to the middle of next month, and that any corrections need to be signed off before that date. WTF?????
I signed the original ticket promissing to appear on or before the due date. I held up my end of the bargain. Now they send me a letter in the mail saying its a new date? I never signed anything saying I would appear on that date, and they didnt send it registered mail so they have no proof I actually got the letter.
What do you guys think I should do, how should I handle this?
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They can do that. If you don't want a warrant then show up when they tell you.
Remember, it's their game so play by their rules and don't get caught.
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go to http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/ (http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/)
do the online thing. check by DL.
u can just pay the ticket and never show up to court.
keep ure windows tinted and u already got the licent plate sign off so ure good after that
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Mike.
It seems you are singing to deaf trees and no results will arise from negotiations with them.
DMV is a private property, and when you showed them your car there an officer should not give you Tinted Windows ticket on a car he didn't catch you driving with the windows rolled up. To have tinted windows and they are rolled down into the door is legal - what is not legal in CA is to drive on public roads with the tinted windows rolled up. If a car is parked and the tinted windows are up then you should not recieve a ticket.
Here is what I suggest - try it soon
- Lower the windows down and Remove the window fuse.
- Take the Plates Ticket to a different CHP station and sign it off while the windows are down.
- Take the car to another CHP station and sign off the glass saying it is impossible to remove a tint from a glass that does not roll up! Their demand that "No Tinted window is in the area where the glass occupies while it is rolled up" would then be satisfied!
My general opinion regarding this matter is that I PAY to drive the way I LIKE (: not everyone has the means to do so. I drove my lotus for over 2 years with a Foreign License Plate and paid three tickets and refused to change it lol I wanna drive outside the law, fine, I will just pay them to shut them up and I will do what I like
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Here's my dilemma though. I work for the studios, and go out of town ALOT. Sometimes i'm gone for 8 months at a time. By them sending me a letter in the mail to appear doesnt mean I got it. I could have been out of town, thrown it away accidentally thinking it was junkmail, or whatever. I signed the original ticket promissing to appear on or before the date on the ticket, which I DID. I never agreed to appear on the new date, and there is no way they can prove I was notified to do so.
Its not a matter of having the windows and license plates signed off, its paying the $25 fee for each item that iratates me.
Also, this has nothing to do with the DMV. I took my car to the CHP inspection station, they are the ones who were Aholes and wrote the additional ticket.
What really p*sses me off is that when I first took the car in, the jack@ss said nothing about the windows. When I brought the car back an hour later and the same moron looked at it, thats when he complained about the windows.
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go to [url]http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/[/url] ([url]http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/[/url])
do the online thing. check by DL.
u can just pay the ticket and never show up to court.
keep ure windows tinted and u already got the licent plate sign off so ure good after that
I have to show up, this is not a ticket than can be paid online. Its a fix-it ticket, it must be corrected and signed off, then the ticket presented to the court clerk and and a fine paid. I already took one day off work to appear on the ticket on the day I signed (promissed) to do so. Now I have to take another day off?
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That sux. But you have signed on the provisions that allow them to change date etc. when you got your Driver's License you signed a lot of your rights away :-\
go to [url]http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/[/url] ([url]http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/[/url])
do the online thing. check by DL.
u can just pay the ticket and never show up to court.
keep ure windows tinted and u already got the licent plate sign off so ure good after that
I have to show up, this is not a ticket than can be paid online. Its a fix-it ticket, it must be corrected and signed off, then the ticket presented to the court clerk and and a fine paid. I already took one day off work to appear on the ticket on the day I signed (promissed) to do so. Now I have to take another day off?
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Get an attorney.. U will never have to show up to court. I've used one before cus I got a speeding ticket and I have a class A commercial DL.
He can fight for u to get it dismiss.
I've heard www.ticketclinic.com (http://www.ticketclinic.com) on the radio before
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<rant>
Unfortunately, we live in an oppressive state where our government is completely out of control and at this point is running unchecked. Too often the police are basically a legalized criminal gang. There are tons of horror stories out there of planting evidence and illegal search and seizure. Not to mention murder of our citizens. With no warrant, they come in with Child Protective Services and literally steal people's children: http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130430/180915214.html (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130430/180915214.html) They basically do anything they like. I personally can't wait to get out of the People's Republic of California. Don't believe the hype. This place is a mess. Then again, once the federal government turns the Department of Homeland Security into a national police force, it will make California's abuse of power look tame by comparison. >:(
</rant>
They are probably monitoring this post now. Don't be surprised if I turn up missing or killed in a freak accident in the near future. It won't be the first time. ::usa
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That sux. But you have signed on the provisions that allow them to change date etc. when you got your Driver's License you signed a lot of your rights away :-\
go to [url]http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/[/url] ([url]http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/[/url])
do the online thing. check by DL.
u can just pay the ticket and never show up to court.
keep ure windows tinted and u already got the licent plate sign off so ure good after that
I have to show up, this is not a ticket than can be paid online. Its a fix-it ticket, it must be corrected and signed off, then the ticket presented to the court clerk and and a fine paid. I already took one day off work to appear on the ticket on the day I signed (promissed) to do so. Now I have to take another day off?
I haven't signed any of my rights away. I signed the original ticket which is a "promise to appear", and I kept my promise and appeared. The court had no record of the ticket, so they told me they couldnt hear the case. They gave me a slip to prove I did appear on the ticket the day THEY asked me to appear.
Now, they want to send me an unregistered letter with a new court date. As far as anybody knows, I never recieved the letter. Like I said before, I could very easily say I was working out of state and never saw the letter until after the new court date, if at all.
I never signed anything saying I promised to appear on the new date they set. They dont have any proof the letter was recieved by me since they didnt send it return receipt or registered mail that I would have signed for.
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they didnt send it registered mail so they have no proof I actually got the letter.
So what? You just said you got it. That sounded just as bad as them.
Imagine how the world would be without these "a-holes." Especially volunteers. Best way to avoid 'em is obey the law.
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Yes, we need some laws to have a civilized society but we are way past that point. I'm also not saying there aren't any good cops out there but too many of them are a-holes who believe the law doesn't apply to them. I don't care if they are volunteer a-holes or they are paid a-holes. Hitler had a lot of volunteers too you know.
There are so many laws here, the average person has no way to know what the law is! I don't know what the exact law on tint is! Besides, are we to blindly obey every law? What about unconstitutional laws? Yes, we have some here in California.
Murci-Me's point is if the windows were a problem, he should have been told by the original citing officer. I agree. Even the volunteer CHP inspection a-hole didn't mention it until he could see that the original issue had been complied with. The truth is, this volunteer was purposefully looking for a reason not sign off on the car. So now if Mike complies with the tint, the volunteer may walk around the car looking for another technicality to harass him further and keep him jumping through hoops and wasting his time and money. Do you think that is right or fair? How is this making our society better? It is just plain abuse of power and harassment.
Unfortunately, I don't have any advice for you Mike. We are in a bad position here. These guys are jerks. They are probably just jealous of your car and they are taking out their frustrations on you.
What ever happened to protect and serve?
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We have obvious plate laws and tint laws where I live. Don't know the exact tint but I wouldn't tint my windows without finding out first. If I did I might find myself in the same situation in any of the many states that have the same laws. Just saying.
What I meant by the A-hole thing is some times they are just doing their job and so many people have a problem with that. If someone wanted to be a police officer, do you expect them to move to a state with better laws? They aren't writing them just enforcing them, while you assume straight from the beginning that the guy is a moron for doing so - and that is before everything else happened.
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Yeah, I would have found out the maximum allowed tint before I did my windows too even though it is BS. That doesn't mean even if you are totally legal that you won't be harassed about it. I have seen it happen.
Let me give you a for instance. I was pulled over years ago by a woman officer. I only mention she was female because I suspect she was trying to prove she was just as tough (or tougher) than any male officer. She claimed she pulled me over because my brake lights weren't working. I easily proved that they WERE working and then she got frustrated and started walking around my car looking for things to cite me for. She complained about my door window "tint" and I had to prove I didn't have ANY tint! She was extremely agitated because she couldn't find anything to pin on me. She kept me there answering stupid questions for WAY too long. She ultimately let me go without a citation but she wasn't happy about it. So why did she want to give me a ticket so bad? Who knows? Maybe she didn't like the car I drove or the way I looked. The point is, she pulled me over without cause and then proceeded to waste my time harassing me and trying to find an excuse to use the law against me. This is just dishonorable and shows a lack of integrity. I have worse stories than that but I don't want to hijack this thread any more than I already have.
I guess you just can't understand my perspective until you have seen the kind of harassment I have seen and experienced.
...If someone wanted to be a police officer, do you expect them to move to a state with better laws? They aren't writing them just enforcing them...
Actually, yes I do. It is a matter of integrity. How can you enforce a law you know to be wrong? That is like saying nobody should be responsible for war crimes because at the time they committed the acts, they were completely within the law. Whatever our chosen occupations, each of us have the responsibility to say no if we are being asked to do something we know isn't right. Come to think of it, that may be one of the reasons there are less and less good cops. A lot of good people may have decided they couldn't in good conscience continue to do the job.
Hey, they have a tough job (I wouldn't want it) but they chose that job. The truth is, there is a certain type of personality that is often attracted to that job. They love power and they are anxious to use it. Sorry if there are any cops on here that I am offending. I am not known to be the most politically correct. For what it is worth, I know some good cops who actually agree with me.
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I have no problem complying with the law. I do have a problem with the way these morons use their badge to push people around. The volunteer probably couldnt pass the physical exam to be a cop, so the best he could do to satisfy his power trip is to work as a volunteer for the CHP.
I have had window tint violations before, I am well aware of what the law here in CA. allows (no tint at all). What I have a problem with is these people wasting my time. If the tint was in violation there had several opportunities to tell me before, but never did. Its just a game for them, but unfortunately for them I have a few games to play myself.
I held up my end of the deal. They picked the date for me to appear, and I did. In any court of law, when one party doesnt show up to a scheduled court date they forfiet and lose. Had I not shown up on that day there would have been a warrant issued for my arreset.
So do i need to keep taking days off and losing money because they keep not showing up and then changing the date at random?
I cant believe there are people here who actually dont see anything wrong about this behavior, but I suspect they themselves are not who they appear to be, hiding behind a newbie account on a forum.
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In Nitemare's defense - he is a legit forum member. He got in our our group vent deal so I know he is for real. I think it is just that people who live in other states often have a different experience with cops. They have more respect for them because they are treated with more respect by them. Ask anyone who lives in L.A. what they think about cops and you're likely to get a very different perspective.
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Mike a dr letter stating you need the tint for medical reson/eye strain works
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I live around LA. I realy dont like LAPD or Sherriffs. lol.
that why i live in a city that has its own police department and no sheriffs.
The doctors note only works for so long. i know cus i had lazik surgery done.
Just hire a lawyer.. ticketclinic.
best way to deal with legal stuff is by hiring a lawyer and thats it. get done with it the right way.
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I live around LA. I realy dont like LAPD or Sherriffs. lol.
that why i live in a city that has its own police department and no sheriffs.
The doctors note only works for so long. i know cus i had lazik surgery done.
Just hire a lawyer.. ticketclinic.
best way to deal with legal stuff is by hiring a lawyer and thats it. get done with it the right way.
Do you really think its cost effective to hire a lawyer to get out of a $25 ticket? I dont even think a lawyer will take on a fit-it ticket. This is not a moving violation, its considered a mechanical violation. Doesnt anybody see my point here? I showed up for court when I was told to, and they didnt. They hadnt even put the ticket into the system yet, thats why the court had no record of it. After the court date had passed they decided to log the ticket. The problem is, I never signed a "promise to appear" for their new court date, They just sent me a letter stating that I had to correct the violations and pay the fine by that new date. Yes I got the letter, but thats not the point. What if I didnt recieve the letter, for whatever reason? I would be driving around a month from now thinking everything was fine until I got pulled over for some reason (which happens almost every time im out in my lambo BTW). At that point, they would arrest me for a failure to appear, and impound my vehicle. I would have to post bail, and pay for the impound and tow fee, and im sure they wold F up my car somehow in the process for which they would deny it and not be held responsible anyway. All because they didnt do their duty to turn in the ticket in the first place, or notify me properly in a way to assure that I recieved the new date.
This is just an example of how law enforcement in this state uses their power to intentionally mess with people lives just because they can, and feed their need for power.
They have not heard the last of me I promise you.
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Actually, yes I do. It is a matter of integrity. How can you enforce a law you know to be wrong? That is like saying nobody should be responsible for war crimes because at the time they committed the acts, they were completely within the law. Whatever our chosen occupations, each of us have the responsibility to say no if we are being asked to do something we know isn't right. Come to think of it, that may be one of the reasons there are less and less good cops. A lot of good people may have decided they couldn't in good conscience continue to do the job.
It's all about $ what can ya do.. some people become lawyers so they can defend obvious murderers.
I'm glad I don't live there because it's not the easiest thing to just move somewhere else, same thing with the cop who shouldn't want to enforce such laws.
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I feel your pain Mike. I wish I had a good answer for you. This kind of thing has happened to me too. We are constantly being harassed here. Some of it (like in your situation) is just plain incompetence. They are allowed any mistake - like not turning in the ticket to the "court" - and I use the term court loosely. Yes, this has happened to me too. Law enforcement doesn't seem to have to follow any rules yet they are waiting to pounce on citizens for the slightest infraction even if there is a good chance the citizen doesn't know what is required/expected of them. As they always say... "Ignorance is no excuse." They make up their own rules as they go along and we have no choice. We basically have no rights because they can suspend any of our rights anytime they feel like it. Who is going to stop them? What it all boils down to is extortion. These guys (and gals) have a legal means to extort money from citizens. It is just a big cash register. As a whole, they don't care about the citizens or our society. I have had enough experience over the years to honestly believe that.
I will be very interested to hear what happens with this. Please keep us updated.
BTW, if you get pulled over nearly every time you drive your car, maybe I don't want to build one of these things after all! ;)
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It's a lambo
Whether real or fake, you can bet you'll be pulled over
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I'll keep everybody posted.
Yes, I get pulled over almost every time I take the car out, I would say about 80% of the time. Its NEVER because of tinted windows though, I can say in all the times i've been pulled over the tint on the windows have never even been mentioned.
I get pulled over for 2 reasons. Number one is for having my California plates on the car, and number two is for having my euro plates on the car.
I prefer to get pulled over for the euro plate, so I keep it on my car at all times. I'll usually notice the red light in the rear view mirror, and pull over. The cop comes walking up, yadda yadda yadda, and I get a ticket . When I have my state issued CA plates on the car its not so easy though. I notice the red lights in my rear view mirror, so I pull over. I'm then ordered out of the car at gunpoint, and ordered to lay face down on the asphalt with my arms out to the side. Then one officer comes (with the other still holding me at gunpoint) and cuffs me, then puts me in the back of the cruiser. Before anything is even said to me, or i'm given a chance to explain anything, the car is being searched and torn apart.
Once they fnd nothing, they come back to the cruiser and ask me their moronic questions. Once everything checks out, im released (always without a ticket) and they go on their way.
This has happened to me 7 times in the past, always when I have my CA plate on the car. I will never put it on again, I would rather have the $25 ticket than suffer that type of treatment and humiliation, and possibly get accidentally shot.
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I get pulled over for 2 reasons. Number one is for having my California plates on the car, and number two is for having my euro plates on the car.
I prefer to get pulled over for the euro plate, so I keep it on my car at all times. I'll usually notice the red light in the rear view mirror, and pull over. The cop comes walking up, yadda yadda yadda, and I get a ticket . When I have my state issued CA plates on the car its not so easy though. I notice the red lights in my rear view mirror, so I pull over. I'm then ordered out of the car at gunpoint, and ordered to lay face down on the asphalt with my arms out to the side. Then one officer comes (with the other still holding me at gunpoint) and cuffs me, then puts me in the back of the cruiser. Before anything is even said to me, or i'm given a chance to explain anything, the car is being searched and torn apart.
Once they fnd nothing, they come back to the cruiser and ask me their moronic questions. Once everything checks out, im released (always without a ticket) and they go on their way.
This has happened to me 7 times in the past, always when I have my CA plate on the car. I will never put it on again, I would rather have the $25 ticket than suffer that type of treatment and humiliation, and possibly get accidentally shot.
Maybe it's the reference on the plate. Get a standard plate for a while and see if there's a difference.
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Just come down to Tijuana with your car, the cops down here won't care what plate you have on your car, we can even borrow some Mexican plates for it while your here :P
I'll buy you some beers ::beers you know where :drool
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The cops in tj will still pull you over , but once you pay the $20 mordida you'll be on your way ;)
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Whats on the plates has nothing to do with it, it happened long before I had vanity plates. The problem is that when the cops see the car, they assume its a celebrity inside. They run the plate to see who it is, and the car comes up as a '86 Fiero. Automatically they assume its either a stolen plate on a Lamborghini, or a stolen Lamborghini.
So, is Adelitas still jumpin? There is some incredible talent at that club :)
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When I have my state issued CA plates on the car its not so easy though. I notice the red lights in my rear view mirror, so I pull over. I'm then ordered out of the car at gunpoint, and ordered to lay face down on the asphalt with my arms out to the side. Then one officer comes (with the other still holding me at gunpoint) and cuffs me, then puts me in the back of the cruiser. Before anything is even said to me, or i'm given a chance to explain anything, the car is being searched and torn apart.
Once they fnd nothing, they come back to the cruiser and ask me their moronic questions. Once everything checks out, im released (always without a ticket) and they go on their way.
Honestly, this doesn't surprise me at all. I have had guns drawn on me and I've been handcuffed too and I'm not even driving a Lambo yet. It is hard for people to believe it is this bad here but it is. We are quite literally living in a police state. ::police
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Still the best my friend ::thumbup
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Pedro, if you are referring to the U.S., I wholeheartedly agree. ::usa I am a patriot. ::thumbup I am nevertheless concerned about the direction we are headed as a country.
If you are referring to California in particular, I respectfully disagree. California is a beautiful place that has basically been politically ruined beyond repair. I don't think it will ever have the glory it once did. It is very sad because it is such a beautiful place with so much potential.
Mike
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Whats on the plates has nothing to do with it, it happened long before I had vanity plates. The problem is that when the cops see the car, they assume its a celebrity inside. They run the plate to see who it is, and the car comes up as a '86 Fiero. Automatically they assume its either a stolen plate on a Lamborghini, or a stolen Lamborghini.
So they are just ignorant. I have to say it's not that bad here in Arizona. The Police are courteous here for the most part. On the other hand one of them shot my friend David for being black in a Corvette....
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I've experienced both sides of this coin. Some police seem to have me in their sights and some seem to like the car. The last ticket I was issued was dismissed by the judge without me saying a word.
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Pedro, if you are referring to the U.S., I wholeheartedly agree. ::usa I am a patriot. ::thumbup I am nevertheless concerned about the direction we are headed as a country.
If you are referring to California in particular, I respectfully disagree. California is a beautiful place that has basically been politically ruined beyond repair. I don't think it will ever have the glory it once did. It is very sad because it is such a beautiful place with so much potential.
Mike
Well said ;)
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Here is a quick article by Adam Carolla.
http://www.ebaymotorsblog.com/why-i-dont-drive-my-miuras/ (http://www.ebaymotorsblog.com/why-i-dont-drive-my-miuras/)
He is surprisingly politically correct but if you read between the lines I think he agrees on what we are saying here.