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Title: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 01, 2013, 12:20:05 PM
This is a 'revived build' that I have purchased and taken on  ::tongue

I need to work on finalizing the frame first, but I have started building the gauge display, etc.

Will (hopefully) be posting info regularly.

am33r has beem a great help / person to bounce things off of and it is awesome we have similar builds (same body), so my continuous thanks there  ;) !!!!
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 01, 2013, 09:11:44 PM
Can anyone tell me where to get the side window piece where mine is just a trapazoidal shape - e.g no terraced level down to the lower level.of it looks(mine is just rough edged)
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: am33r on July 01, 2013, 10:02:37 PM
Great to see another build being revived. Glad to help you mate (:
We all here have an idea about the kit by now - lets see if you could make it worthy sometime soon - correct and shape a few things according your needs first while sourcing out the needed parts.

I believe you are doing okay with Step 1. It should be to correct issues & complete the parts - this way you could get the car driving with the kit sitting on it (not necessary mounted yet)

Tell us what it is you are handy at, metal work, fiber glass, mechanicals, upholstry, etc.

Cheers
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 02, 2013, 12:05:21 AM
Thank you!

I sure appreciate the help from you and all the cool people on this site!

I will be hopefully having a person to do my welding.   I can do electronic and various mechanical and can bug friends on some difficult pieces :)

2 friend's and i will be doing the fiberglass - one buddy is very good at fiberglass

I don't know anyone good at upholstery - i sure wish i was!  i need to  find a good person in Minnesota for that. Very few people dumb enough to build one of these up North :)

a friend and i can

Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 11, 2013, 08:03:44 AM
Well I now have a my vehicle registered in Minnesota, and I have license plates   :) 
But, it is currently registered as a Fiero
To get it allowed on the road, once the build is complete (2 years the way it is going), I need to bring in the final build and all receipts for what was done to it (body parts, gauges, seats, everything).
They then decide what to title it as since it is a custom build and tax you accordingly. 
The folks were really nice, but it was a bit of a learning experience for most folks at the title office :)

Boy, MN is not a place you want one of these - 1/2 the year it is too cold or nasty to take it out  :(
But it will be awesome to get this done....

I need a good welder !!!! :0
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: 01Lambiero on July 11, 2013, 09:32:13 AM
PK:  Since you have jumped into this maze of a hobby, you could locate a licensed welder and see if he would take you under his wing and teach you or you could contact a Junior College that might have a Welding Class that you could take.  Welding properly is a constant skill that is needed all the way thru your build.  Jim
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: Murci-Me on July 11, 2013, 12:55:47 PM
You may want to show that your build costs are low when doing the final registration on the car, or they will hit you with a tax that makes your head spin lol! Insure it for the full amount though, and get an appraisal that matches that amount (be sure to include labor costs).
Get insurance on it ASAP for what you have in it, and keep increasing it as you invest more time and money.
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 11, 2013, 04:38:58 PM
really good points murcie-me!
especially on insurance valuation and increasing over time - it definately it increasing!   :-\
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 11, 2013, 04:55:42 PM
Thanks Jim
i do want to get good at welding and like the idea on finding a local junior college course!

and i may find an experienced person there to help!

Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 11, 2013, 05:28:35 PM
love the idea - i was trying to find someone at the techical college here!
Thank you!
peter
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: madmods on July 11, 2013, 08:25:12 PM
Buy a cheap wire feed and some angle and flat plate to start with. Start practicing. Jim is right, you will be welding through the end of the build. I  learned how to fiberglass out of videos and now pretty good with it. Vetters tape on his Carrera build is priceless even though its a different car lots of the same things are happening.
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: SchulzeA on July 11, 2013, 11:09:16 PM
Miller sells welders with auto amp/feed options. I hear it works really nice until you get the hang of the settings.
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 11, 2013, 11:25:35 PM
Hi MadMods

Do the wire feed welders have the power needed to weld the body - e.g. the areas on mine that are tacked?
My frame is fully welded on all of it's pieces - but apparently he didn't finish those parts in the engine compartment

Do note that the radiator area behind the tail lights/grills are all welded and ready - do you know which radiators that frame was designed to hold so I don't need to mod those two rectangular mounting framed areas?

Thank you!!!
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: Murci-Me on July 11, 2013, 11:43:55 PM
Just modify them to fit the radiators you want to use. Honda Civic radiators work good with the Fiero engine, you have about 20% more cooling area with the 2 Civic radiators versus the single Fiero radiator up front.
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 16, 2013, 03:44:17 PM
I ordered and they were sent out today:
Door inner/outer/inserts
Engine deck lid and clear louvers
Mirrors
Seat headrest add-ons
Headlight buckets, lenses, and projectors/bulbs
Tail light buckets
New G28 Dash / gauge cluster housing
Center console (2 pieces)
Vents that are carbon fiber wrapped
Headlight inserts that are carbon fiber wrapped
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 17, 2013, 02:36:03 AM
The new dash
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 17, 2013, 02:38:03 AM
The new center console
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 17, 2013, 02:40:53 AM
The new carbon fiber light/lens rings
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: usmc_butler on July 17, 2013, 09:23:36 AM
HOLY WOW :drool That is freaking NICEEE Who did the work for you?  ::beers
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: autopro on July 17, 2013, 09:52:48 AM
Wow that is nice  ::thumbup  At the rate you're going you are going to be done in not time.
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 20, 2013, 11:41:22 PM
And another
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 22, 2013, 12:43:37 AM
Here are some chassis shots
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 22, 2013, 12:45:15 AM
and more
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 22, 2013, 12:46:52 AM
and more
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: 01Lambiero on July 22, 2013, 08:27:18 AM
Hey, your front wheels are on the wrong side.  It's making me dizzy.  Jim
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 22, 2013, 12:46:42 PM
 :)  I know they are on the wrong side - and they are missing a few lug nuts !

He tossed these on before shipping and I haven't had a chance to get the new lug nuts so I plan to swap the wheels/tires when i get the new lug nuts
 
Thanks!

Cant drive it yet anyway ;)

Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 22, 2013, 11:35:29 PM
Here are my new suspension pieces - hopefully they help!
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on July 24, 2013, 08:18:05 PM
The bottom of my tube frame is as follows:

9 3/4 botton edge of the frame by the end of the frame at the front tire
11 1/4 by the back tire

I posted pictures of some new suspension pieces that I have and i will see on the back end also

What should the distances be?
Thanks!!

What should it be
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on August 21, 2013, 10:22:28 PM
Here is a shot of my radiators mounted on the frame, but I haven't begin to plumb them yet.    :o
Is there any good info around showing how to best run the plumbing and I assume connect in series ?

Thank you!
Peter
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: usmc_butler on August 23, 2013, 08:32:40 AM
Radiators look good and fit well. You kept your trunk area so I cant help you with plumbing but if you want to see how I did it you can look on my build look on this link (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=12.150 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=12.150)) about 3/4 of the way down. Again its over built but it works, you can always go with aluminum piping to dissipate the heat better  ::study but the way I look at it that is what the radiators are for. Ill let you know next summer how it cools when im driving it in the 100 degree temps with the AC blowing  ::tongue
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on August 23, 2013, 10:44:28 AM
Thank you - now I just need all the parts to plumb them

Wow (to usmc_butler) your build is beautiful

Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: 01Lambiero on September 03, 2013, 10:42:02 AM
Just for ease of plumbing your radiators, I would sacrifice the trunk for now and refab it after all of the waterworks are done.  You can also run the return hose from the LH radiator forward and across the firewall side of the engine if it works out easier for you.  However the exhaust may conflict in doing so.  The Honda radiators are 1-1/4" dia. so you may need some reducers at the engine outlet and or lower inlet.  I used a '94 Bonneville upper radiator hose for my 90 degree bends.  This hose has 3 90 degree bends in it so you can save some $.  I also used 1-1/4" aluminum tubing for my straight connector tubes and bead rolled the ends to keep the hoses on.
Jim
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: usmc_butler on September 03, 2013, 11:06:59 AM
Just for ease of plumbing your radiators, I would sacrifice the trunk for now and refab it after all of the waterworks are done.  You can also run the return hose from the LH radiator forward and across the firewall side of the engine if it works out easier for you.  However the exhaust may conflict in doing so.  The Honda radiators are 1-1/4" dia. so you may need some reducers at the engine outlet and or lower inlet.  I used a '94 Bonneville upper radiator hose for my 90 degree bends.  This hose has 3 90 degree bends in it so you can save some $.  I also used 1-1/4" aluminum tubing for my straight connector tubes and knurled the ends to keep the hoses on.
Jim


x2 on sacrificing the trunk for now. I tried every way to keep it but just wasn't worth it and wouldn't cool very well with most of the truck in the way. Like Jim said get rid of it then custom make one down the road.
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on September 26, 2013, 12:15:50 AM
Sorry, somehow I missed both your responses!
 Thank you :)
I have no problem removing the trunk - it isn't very useful anyway.  Do you have any information on properly removing it without damaging anything?

How did you knurl the ends of the aluminum tubing?

Also, where did you get your 1-1/4" aluminum tubing - I am having a hard time finding it.

Also, what did you guys use for your roof support - e.g. square or round stock and what type/size metal? 
Since it should work as a roll cage, did you use the expensive tube stock or the cheaper welded rolled rod stock?

THANK YOU!
Peter
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on September 26, 2013, 12:29:41 AM
Thank you for the great picture and diagram!
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: SchulzeA on September 26, 2013, 02:19:37 AM
1.25" tubing. Prices are normally half of the Internet price when I pick up material. I suggest calling them for better prices.

http://www.shapirosupply.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_2_10&sort=20a&page=4 (http://www.shapirosupply.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_2_10&sort=20a&page=4)
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: 01Lambiero on September 26, 2013, 09:39:30 AM
I made my own tubing bead roller.  There are some available.  Google.  I purchased my aluminum tubing on ebay .060" wall.  For my roll cage, I purchased seamless, mild steel, .090 wall tubing from a local race parts dealer in southern Michigan and bent it with a tubing bender (not one of those from harbor freight).

Jim
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on September 26, 2013, 12:13:10 PM
Nice job on the tubing knurler Jim!!!
Also, on the seemless tubing, with diameter did you use?

Why 'not' the one from Harbor Freight?  (I ask because I bought that one :0  )

Thank you both
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: 01Lambiero on September 26, 2013, 04:05:55 PM
I used 1.5" dia. tubing.  It may be a little large for the windshield side pillar, but I want it to be strong in that area as well as overhead around the doors.
The tubing bender from Harbor Freight is for bending conduit etc.  A "true" tubing bender has a die that is the exact diameter of the tubing on each side of the tubing during the bend.  In the end, you end up with a bend without a squash in the corner.  Some builders have used the HF bender and it worked for them so it's up to you.  I do think that the double die system that is totally used in pro chassis builders is stronger and looks better even though you are the only one that will probably see the bends.  A good bender, a good welder, a good plan, and wise decisions will make your car stand out because you know that you didn't cut any corners when it comes to safety.  You will notice that I left out "a good budget".  Their isn't one!

Jim
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on September 27, 2013, 12:09:44 AM
Well said Jim

I know it will bother me if things aren't 'right' / well done / etc

Thanks again
Peter
Title: distance across body from outside rocker front edge to the opposite side
Post by: pkovgolf on September 27, 2013, 06:19:49 PM
Could.somebody PLEASE measure
1) the distance distance across the lower edge of the body from outside rocker front edge to the opposite side
2) the distance distance across the lower edge of the body from outside rocker rear edge to the opposite side ( right before the air intake area where the black mesh grate goes)  ?

mine was.molded so.poorly i am cutting and redoing a lot but want the 'correct distances'  ;)


THANK YOU in advance
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: 01Lambiero on October 05, 2013, 09:20:35 AM
Sorry, pkovgolf, I used the phrase "knurler" and I meant "bead roller".  A senior moment at it's worst.

Jim
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on October 05, 2013, 10:03:44 AM
Chuckle
I knew what you meant

Thank you!
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: Robert on October 06, 2013, 11:11:30 PM
Your project is coming along nicely! Good work!
Title: Re: PK's new build
Post by: pkovgolf on October 07, 2013, 01:14:22 AM
:)  Thank you very much
If I could get my body roll cage/side support welded, and my radiators plumbed the rest of the way, I could get this done pretty quick after (although I need new rear brakes too)

I wish I had a shop I could keep it at and pop it on a lift, etc.  :0

Wish I was a good/fast welder!

Thanks again
Peter