LamboClone - The Premier Site for Lamborghini Replica Builders
The Forum => Other Topics => Topic started by: RT on July 14, 2013, 08:50:39 AM
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As many here may have noticed I have been drawn into a combative discourse with Lamboclone member Murci-me, Mike Chase.
I have received a lot of support and encouragement from other members. Some have said, “it’s about time somebody stood up to him.” Well, try as I may, it is a losing battle trying to reason with someone who is unreasonable. He has perfected personal assault with many years of practice. I sent him a PM trying to call an end to the conflict but he just stepped up his attack. He would rather I just sit down and shut up. This is NOT what forums are for. I like to treat others better than that. So it is with great dismay that I bid you all a fond farewell. It has been nice meeting so many of you. I hope I had something to offer to help or inspire but I do not need the incessant assaults issued against my contributions and me every time I make a post. It is up to you as an individual to make up your mind about him. I’ve had enough. I will move on to a friendlier site.
There are still many good contributors here who can help with technical advice. I just know one I’d stay away from.
I hope you all finish your builds and become members of the 3% club. I’d love to see you at the Carlisle show with your build in a multi-car lineup. That is what it is all about. That is why we are here. Lambo builders are a special group and (almost) every one I’ve met is someone I am proud to call friend.
Chris, our administrator here at Lamboclone, is doing a terrific job. This site is solid. It would be a shame to have someone ruin it.
I leave with one bit of timeless advice. Beware of false Gods.
Goodbye my friends.
RT
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I don't know the reason for the conflict and honestly I don't want to be involved. I am not passing judgement on either side of this one. I have noticed there seems to be contention that arises between members from time to time on this site and it is a real shame. This is a family of sorts and families do tend to fight sometimes. It is just too bad we can't get along and help lift each other instead of trying to tear each other down. We should stick together and save our indignation for the scammers out there that threaten this hobby. Let's all work hard to make this site the best it can be.
Sure there are other sites but I like this one the best. I don't think I would leave because of anyone else but everyone has their own choice.
Good luck RT.
Mike
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A good forum, like Lamboclone.com is a place to find technical information and advice from members who know what works or what doesn't in building a replica car. It should be a place where friendships are made. It should not be a place for name calling and insulting fellow members. Members should have patience, humility, truthfulness, and self control when posting. A moderator's job is a tough job. Bad posts is non conducive to harmony amongst members. RT, is my friend. He has accumulated a life time of experience and knowledge and deserves better treatment than to be driven off of this forum. Jim
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This board needs all the minds it can get. You helped me tremendously with my door glass limit switches and for that i'll always be thankful. But if it's gotta be goodbye then it's gotta be goodbye. Good luck with everything RT.
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This sux !!! How could there be an issue that is impossible to resolve! this could also happen to me?! I'm suspending my membership too! Goodbye RT you are a good friend. Those who need anything (: i doubt i can be really helpful but you know where to find me...
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How did I miss this issue? I don't even know what you two were arguing about. This forum is one of the most respectful I've found. Let's talk about Trayvon. Now that would be an issue. People on both sides seem to be intractable in their views there. Just kidding, the last thing I would want is to stir up things with absolutely no hope of a resolution. We should stay on topic. Car building!
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Guys, maybe I am being naive but can't we put all this crap behind us on both sides? Most of us don't care who is right or wrong. We just want to move on and benefit from every different idea, point of view and opinion. I value both of you as resources on this site.
Look, most of us on this forum are creative individuals and creative people also tend to want to do things their way. The truth is there is more than one acceptable way to do things. Let's just chalk it all up to differences of opinion between two creative personalities.
Mike
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Guess I missed this cause I don't post often. Rt I'm sorry you had to go through this being the knowledgeable, always helpful guy you are.
I don't have a dog in this fight and may get banned or jumped on for this comment:
When a person always have conflict with others who don't know one another then the common denominator is that person. That's the problem here, Murcie -Me I honestly see that you are very knowledgeable but you are very hard to deal with. It's always on a you know more than all level. Yes you built a great car, Yes we know you have skills to contribute. However your contributions could be less confrontational. Sometimes its best to be wrong even if you know you are right. We all don't have the right answers so we look to forums like this to provide constructive advice.
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A good forum, like Lamboclone.com is a place to find technical information and advice from members who know what works or what doesn't in building a replica car. It should be a place where friendships are made. It should not be a place for name calling and insulting fellow members. Members should have patience, humility, truthfulness, and self control when posting. A moderator's job is a tough job but they should have stepped on this problem a long time ago. Allowing bad posts is non conducive to harmony amongst members. RT, is my friend. He has accumulated a life time of experience and knowledge and deserves better treatment than to be driven off of this forum. Jim
I agree with this post whole heartedly I enjoy what RT brings the the forum and truly hate to see him go. I wish things could be different or maybe, I being a Moderator, could have done something to prevent this. Maybe this isnt the best job for me. I really enjoy the good conversations on this forum and enjoy the OPEN mined people NOT the KNOW it all people that think its one way or the highway because they have done it before. I try to be fair and let EVERYONE have there say, if I agree with it or not. A lot of the time I don't agree with what is said, but like everyone else, I'll leave the post up. Ive seen several members leave and I know of a few members that just read the forum and don't post because of other "members" and this SUCKS. The members that are leaving and trolling have a great deal of knowledge and input but WILL not post or just leave for fear of ridicule or confrontation. I wish things could change where the site was more open minded. We are building replicas NOT FREAKING SPACESHIPS! These cars are nothing more then a hobby and are supposed to be FUN. So to anyone out there that has any sort of Lamboclone member DRAMA your post WILL be deleted and your account will get a fraction against it.
I want this site fun for all members again, new and old, no more discouraging posts to members, please stay positive or offer help or input or DON'T POST. Nobody wants to see negaitve posts or negative advice. Were all here for friends, questions, comments, to help and most of all LEARN somthing or how to do something NEW way. If somebody wants my job and thinks they can do a better job PLEASE PLEASE step up and contact Chris I'd sacrifice my position on the foum to make things better any day with no hard feelings. This is all I have to say ::salute
Dustin
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Thanks Dustin. You have a tough job and sometimes it simply comes down to a judgement call. With that in mind, I will try to respect your decisions. We want freedom of speech here but we also don't want harassment of any member.
I wanted to add that I *AM* here to make friends. Building relationships is part of the fun for me. I really like this site and I will try to do my part to make it the best.
Mike
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A good forum, like Lamboclone.com is a place to find technical information and advice from members who know what works or what doesn't in building a replica car. It should be a place where friendships are made. It should not be a place for name calling and insulting fellow members. Members should have patience, humility, truthfulness, and self control when posting. A moderator's job is a tough job but they should have stepped on this problem a long time ago. Allowing bad posts is non conducive to harmony amongst members. RT, is my friend. He has accumulated a life time of experience and knowledge and deserves better treatment than to be driven off of this forum. Jim
>:( I'm away on a business trip and just stopped in to see what's new. I'm seeing all this for the first time and I'm pissed!
Honestly... I'm looking for the right words to respond to all of this so I'm going to be selective in what I'm about to say. I've sent warnings and I've trusted everyone to act like adults. I'm raising a family, dealing with caring for a terminally sick family member, working 60+ hours a week (with travel) and dealing with about 20 other things. This site does not cost anyone here a single cent and I pay for everything myself (not even a single banner fly's on this site!). I have hours invested in setting this site up and maintaining it and this is the slap in the face I recieve. I do not have time read every single topic and resolve everyone's differences when there is conflict or disagreements between how two guys would build the same thing or who has the longer dong! Members are expected to act with dignity and respect, not only for themselves but for the others that frequent this site.
I don't understand how Dustin or I are able to gauge when two members are disputing something and when one of them feels like they've had enough and quits the site. The dialog back and forth demostrates that two members are not willing to give in and neither messaged me telling me that something had to change before they were calling it quits. Growing up, I quickly learned that if I felt I was being bullied, the last thing I would do is let the bully know it and I would never give him the satisfaction of knowing they bothered me.
I love how the accountablity and actions of an entire site falls back upon the backs of two people that have given so darn much to a community that 20% of the members don't seem to give a darn! This site was created for people who have, are planning and are building cars yet certain people require attention and validation and use the site as their stage to show their asses.
I'll make this simple... do what you want, LamboClone.com will be no more at the end of this week! I'm fed up with all the threats to cancel memberships so I'll trump everyone and just cancel mine. It's really too bad that the actions of a few have resulted in this and I probably shouldn't be surprised that it only took a year. :-\
Chris
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Or you could just delete this thread and let RT go.
What's the big deal?
There's no drama like Man drama.....
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I have already PM'd Chris literally BEGGING him not to pull the plug on this site. I hope he reconsiders but I respect that the final decision is his. I for one really appreciate everything he has done to create this community and I wanted to thank him publicly. No matter what happens, I am better off for having found this wonderful community.
I just wanted to say it is a real shame we couldn't pull together. In the immortal words of Abraham Lincoln "A house divided against itself cannot stand..."
Mike
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Chris , I didnt see any of the comments in this thread as bring an attack on your site
Everyone likes this site , and ill be happy to host it if you are tired of doing so without recognition . Being an admin and mod is a thankless job because all you do is resolve problems and disputes, and if the site isn't making advertising money I can see how it doesn't seem worth it for you to keep dealing with it
The last thing the forum needs is for those who run it to take personal offebse when members leave . members will come and go on this site and theres no way to stop it . It seems that feelings are being stirred up and we all need to calm down and have a Beer
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Oh man. Please don't let this forum parish. We all have our differences, but there are many members on here that benefit from the info on this lambo specific board that it would be a shame to let it all flush down the drain. No Lamboclone = No Hope :(
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Wow, I am a newbie and I just can't see how this resulted in the end effect here.
Why on earth as the administrator would you say you would pull the site because two people don't agree?
Your site is excellent and GREATLY APPRECIATED.
I seriously am glad your site exists and allows people to help others, etc.
Ignore petty bickering and don't take it on your shoulders or personally. People will say what they say, but in the end, it is unimportant in the big scheme of things.
I sure would HATE to see anything happen to your site - I just got going on my build, so I 'NEED' it ;)
Your site is the best I have seen so the value is VERY HIGH!!!!!
Thank you for having this site and please consider the overall need for it and don't worry about silly bickering.
I am sure you are very aware that people in this small universe of builders all want folks to use their parts, builds, etc, and for some, negating others seems to be the only way they think they can 'win''.
People need to realize there is always a win-win scenario that is the better choice!
We are all here to help each other, and the rest of the pettiness from a few folks should be dropped (or when not, at least ignored by the rest as unimportant clutter)
Thanks again for the site and your help, etc, for everyone!
Peter
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Don’t do it Chris, I for one really appreciate all that you have done for us here.
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The people on this forum that contribute with actual video, pictures and constructive criticism are the driving force. People like RT have a Flickr site with tons of pics and drawings that help many people. RT has a YouTube channel where he demonstrates and describes how he did things on his car. RT is a contributing member to this forum. The person he is upset with offers criticism without the constructive part. To my knowledge the other guy does not offer build videos or pics. Maybe when someone else builds your car you don't have access to those build pics, I understand that.
I once worked with an electrical engineer that couldn't solder two wires together. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
I for one, will always call RT a friend.
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It's just dawned on me that most of you aren't aware of the hundreds of "reported posts" I've recieved in the last year and the emails that contain warnings that I send out on a weekly basis.
No one know's about the posts that get deleted or modified to keep the site on task and netual. I ran another Fourm for eight years and I seriously recieve more crap on this site in one week than I did on the other site for the entire eight years (I swear this!). Yes I take this as a kick in the face and I'm basically just tired of it. This site was never created to be a tool for bullying or Trolling and just as with Mad Mechanics.. this site has turned into that.
Chris
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Honestly, Lamboclone is a unique place that is way different than Mad mechanics and Kitcentral. All three are great and should continue to exist. Here I met some nice people and read lots of helpful information, and also got excited from reading people's builds. This place is a must to stay.
I will not take side. I wish that everything will be OK from tomorrow and if someone is still insulted, please, just smile and ignore the person who makes you feel bad. Smile and ignore. :) This method is proven over the years. We are people, because each of us has its own opinion. Opinions are not always the same, so chances for starting disputes are always big. But sometimes disputes will not resolve the issue. If someone is trying to convince you that the Earth is square, nothing will ever help you to teach him/her that the Earth is actually round! You just ignore that person and leave it to live in its own universe. :)
I would like to send greetings to everyone and lets forget all bad feelings from tomorrow! We must be happy that together we are part of this great place where we share ideas and thoughts! Lets keep it the same! ::thumbup
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I no longer want to be part of a forum that punishes certain members for their behavior, yet overlooks others acting in the same way. I no longer want to associate with forum members who chastise certain members for their behavior, yet do the same offences themselves. I have PM'd all my friends here to give them my contact info, so there is no longer a need to have my account. Goodbye and happy building to all!
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a little way back I had personal issue with one of our member and I too asked Chris to delete all my post and I'm out, but he told me not take him serious and let it go . He agreed with me ,but it's a public forum and everybody is entitle to their opinion.
true or not true.
I chilled and got back in the month. happy to be here and help other Diablo builders.
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First thing No Bull
this is by far the Best new site on the net, what make it so great ,is the fact so many members do have Kits ,or chassis,s with the real intention of getting a kit , this site has more builds in different stages , how too,s & the latest technology of fiberglass body design , engine and transmission set ups , in 2012 i watched a kid whom i had worked with for 15 years loose his job because someone had to pay for the sins of the many ,and he was the lowest guy on the list. Being RIDICULE is demeaning ,some people play and others are serious . Behavior analyses show the members here who can say something Stupid to or about someone and or their idea ,and they rattle something right back , that s great other DO NOT PLAY THAT WAY ,so as a community we need to learn to Respect each other. To make a point all our kids are different ,meaning some or loud and some are quiet ,so we treat them accordingly . this site is like part of my family ,and i look forward to coming here daily ,after work. I said i was not going to post on this thread ,but i could not help myself .......interaction sometime,s require that you let a subject dye ,if you continue to post then the interaction continues on for page after page. In elementary do you remember the kid who had to have the last word ,he or she is now well into their 40,s or 50,s & nothing has changed but their age. everybody has idea,s and could and should contribute we should only interject if ,it,s information given that could cause harm or be a safety risk.
Chris : i respect you and your site , thanks for giving us a place to congregate .....i hope RT CHANGE HIS MINE and that Murci-Me can kinda not post where RT is posting ....both of you guys are great builders with tons of talent. We must all remember ,to increase the size of our hobby and show Newbie,s how to enjoy a Replica , finished & on the road with Respect & dignity to each other.
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IKR good words...
I'm going to let this stay up until morning get all your venting out and tomorrow is a new day, whoever is here after the smoke clears is here and anyone that has left is welcome back anytime... This thread is goin in the trash fist thing in the morning... We're going to get over this and move on. I'm going to talk with Chris and see what we can work out. Most all of us have seen sites come and go and have been here since day 1. As stated before "WE" make Lamboclone, together we have hours and hours of time invested.
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I am disappointed and saddened by Murcie-Me's decision to leave the site. I will sincerely miss his contribution. He had a lot of valuable knowledge and experience that we will miss.
He didn't PM me so I guess I wasn't his friend. I wanted to be. Anyone who does have his contact information please tell him to reconsider. Let us all forgive and forget. Life is too short for petty grudges.
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I'd just like to say whatever happens, thank you to everyone on here that helped me out. Thank you to the mods and mostly the admin for thankless work. Thanks to people that posted pics that helped out everyone and those people that offer their supplies.
If I can say some things with the hope of changing your minds:
- without Texas I would probably be running 6" spacers in the back and I'd eventually kill myself. A little dramatic? Maybe. Plausible. Very. This site allowed me to see his build, see his wheels, let me get in touch with him, and order some seriously badass one off customs to drive more safely.
- without Lambiero I wouldn't have changed my suspension and in a year I'd hate my life as I have to remove my kit. My pictures allowed him to see this and point it out. Also the discussion on wheel rub was informative.
- Jayso made me some really nice hinges that replaced the unmentionable derpy idea that I had. I saw his post on this site and contacted him, again, through this site.
- am33r and I had some great conversations about the mr2 as a donor, and without his build I would have missed some very important modifications. Again (I know this is getting repetitive) through this site and the build diary.
- I got a lot of feedback about modifying the rear of the car the best way. Saved me a ton of time.
My list could go on. I have gotten a lot of advice and support from members. Without it would I finish my build? Probably, but I can say with 100% certainty that this site has made my build safer, better, and faster. Thank you guys.
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It's just dawned on me that most of you aren't aware of the hundreds of "reported posts" I've recieved in the last year and the emails that contain warnings that I send out on a weekly basis.
No one know's about the posts that get deleted or modified to keep the site on task and netual. I ran another Fourm for eight years and I seriously recieve more crap on this site in one week than I did on the other site for the entire eight years (I swear this!). Yes I take this as a kick in the face and I'm basically just tired of it. This site was never created to be a tool for bullying or Trolling and just as with Mad Mechanics.. this site has turned into that.
Chris
I run a couple forums on finance topics and I understand the thankless , behind the scenes work that nobody sees
The fact that nobody sees it means it usually goes unappreciated . All kit car sites seem to have a lot of drama- after all its a lot of passion , money , dreams , etc being shared (or crushed when something wrong happens )
Plus there's the whole "scammers in the industry" we always have to watch out for .
Bottom line , its your forum but as I said earlier I'm completely willing to take over the hosting and admin tasks if ifs wearing you out. Sounds like the other mod is willing to as well.
Not to mention this forum software is superior to Mm and kit central - there's a lot more builders and owners , and a lot fewer dreamers here
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Thanks everyone for all the support. Ive decided to just lock this topic and give Bull a chance to read all of your comments... Im gonna go out on a limb and say "LONG LIVE LAMBOCLONE"! Also my offer still stands about my moderator position if somebody thinks they could have seen this coming and prevented it, you would be a better moderator then me ::help My formal apologies for letting things go this far.
Dustin