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How To - Tips => Frame => Topic started by: juice sx on December 29, 2013, 11:00:01 PM
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Hi guys,
Anyone in the La area willing to come with me to do a Rockwell test on a OEM chassis? I can pay a bit for your time. Thanks!
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What is a Rockwell test?? Sorry for the newbie question. I live close to LA
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it is a test to show the hardness of the metal beacuse this chassis has had an engine fire. do you think you would be able to tell if the metal has been softened?
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um, i am not close, but i am just curious, is the partner request just for the entertainment value of having the test done and needing the company to chat with? cause generally, its about as exciting as watching paint dry...
other than that, if i wasnt up in the great white north, for sure i would be more than happy to partake in that... :)
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Nah I just want to make sure what I'm buying is legit he he!
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as long as who ever is doing the test has a unit for measuring tube steel as well as any plate areas, plus new unused specimen blanks at what ever hardness you believe the frame should be.
they are simple looking devices, but very accurate.
i guess the easiest validation would be test several areas on the end that has not been exposed to the fire, then test several areas that have been in the fire.
theoretically if unaffected, they should reflect close to the same based on proximity to welds etc.
still, at the end of the day, visual judgement may tell you what you need to know before any test happens.
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i have no idea how to do the test and I dont have the tester as well..is it expensive? If someone knows and in la area please let me know
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Here is a portable Rockwell tester. It just puts a small indentation in the steel and measures the pressure with a gauge. You can also do a Brinell test which is basically the same thing.
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Juice . I don't know a damm thing about testing metals. Lol. I would jump on it to see if it breaks or not. Lol if it doesn't then it's good. Lol.
But as digibeam said if u just want someone for entertainment value then I wouldn't mind. =)
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I don't know anything about this either but I'd like to learn too. I am in the L.A. area and I'm interested in seeing the chassis and taking some pics so I'd definitely tag along if you want. Are you looking at one of Victor's frames?
Mike
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Thanks guys yes anyone is welcome to come but does anyone have a tester? Otherwise I will have to get one. Where can I get one from quickly?
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I don't know about getting one fast but they aren't cheap: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=portable+rockwell+tester&_sop=15 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=portable+rockwell+tester&_sop=15)
The one pictured by SchultzeA runs approximately $650 shipped.
Too bad someone doesn't have one you could borrow. I wish I did. :(
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I know I was just checking that one too! Does anyone have one?
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$375 shipped sounds a bit better: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ames-Portable-Precision-Hardness-Tester-/261364188590?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cda8505ae (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ames-Portable-Precision-Hardness-Tester-/261364188590?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cda8505ae)
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huh, you guys get all the deals... ours are around $2300 and up
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thanks! hmm still 300 is alot to pay for what looks like a g clamp! if anyone is interested in coming can you please inbox me your no and i will organise. thanks!
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Unfortunately, I wouldn't know if that device works or even how to use it. ::duh
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Any local machine shop should have a Rockwell gauge. Though it may be a bench style. Just give them a call. You could also try a Tech school that teaches machining. They may make a field trip out of testing the chassis and then you'll have tons of company!
Was the whole car burnt or just the rear section? I'm wondering because you will need to test a unaffected area to see what the average Rockwell is. This way you can test the burnt section to see if it's up to snuff.
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If your taking about Victor's (DrMurcielago's) white murci that was in a slight engine fire I can almost guarantee you it is fine. The fire didn't even get hot enough to melt the rubber tubing going to the tranny cooler. Ive been watching it for since the middle of summer and actually visited with him on the phone and in person about the car (however I didn't actually see the car when I was there). That would be a great builder to start with and will all of the factory reproduction parts that are coming available it could be built back reasonable.
You can see in the picture the hoses aren't even burnt..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261209626926?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261209626926?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)
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Good observation Dustin. Yeah, I have been watching that car too. If I had the money now, I would start my build with that. Definitely.
I believe Victor has at least one other bare frame though. I was thinking he may be interested in one of his.
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Hi guys sorry for late reply. Happy new year! Yes it is victors. Its the one in the picture I am just worried because any slight fire would be damaging. Do you guys think its worth it? I am only getting bare damaged doors with it. No trim windows hinges and struts
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I know I'd enjoy watching the build
just be patient for parts
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You would definitely have a major head start with that car. I think it is a very tempting option if you have the money.
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Wish I could be of help! ;)