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Opinions & Reviews => Member Feedback => Topic started by: apsara on April 27, 2013, 02:48:54 PM
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16k? good luck selling a body for that much when its not an oem splash.
@ mogoes49: I can make any type of supercar, I can take sketches and turn them in to a drivable car.
But ya the LFA is not that rare, and is really ugly, sorry. I build whatever customers pays me to build.
After I get the molds made, starting on the Huyara right after.
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sure just message me on what you need and we'll go on from there. thanks.
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yes on pause for another two weeks, just been busy filling orders for customers than back on the Aventador soon. I want to get it all done soon, have lots of people hounding me for this kit lol
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Full payment sent. Thanks
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Hey bro. What's the deal? Still waiting on info. Full payment has been sent still waiting on you. Send tracking info and carrier info.
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Apsara. We need to talk about the huayra ::headbang
I second this.
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No Rob. I sent full payment to Apsara.He knows what I am talking about.I need some answers quick.
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hey bro, sorry for the late reply been away for a few weeks. has the shipping broker contacted you yet? with out him accepting the package it won't be allowed to enter in to the states.
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No one has contacted me. Send me the name of the company, contact info for to the company, The name you shipped the item under and any tracking or reference numbers that you have. I will be waiting on your response.
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Apsara, it is clear that you are not sending me the item I paid for. I have not received any tracking info nor have I received the name of the company you used to ship the item. You have made no effort to PM me any info I requested, so now I want my FULL refund sent to me. It has been over a couple of months since full payment plus shipping was sent to you and I still do not have anything to show for the money I sent you. You have my Pay Pal info, so I expect my refund ASAP. I worked very hard and saved up the money I sent to you, I hope you are not one of the scammers in this hobby.The forum members here will be watching to see how you conduct yourself with this transaction. I will be waiting for my refund and I am no longer interested in purchasing anything from you.Fellow members I will keep you posted on how Aspara responds.
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as soon as we get ours finished ,i will send you some info. and pricing
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as long as it a good deal ,i am very interested. send pictures of what i will receive and a realistic shipping date ,i also understand it the holiday season.
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Update,Apsara has not returned any PM nor has he made any attempt to contact me. I would like my $691.00 returned to me. I work hard for the money I get and hate to get taken advantage of. I made several attempts to contact him both by PM and by public forum. He has not returned any attempt after full payment plus shipping was paid to him.You can keep your bumper, I just want my money back at this point. The forum members here will continue to watch how you handle this and I will continue to update them. The fact that you logged in on the 27th and made no effort to address, deny nor justify your actions speaks volumes to me and this community. I hope you come through, the forum and your potential customers will be watching.I will keep everyone updated.I will post all proof if challenged in any way.It has now been over 2 months since full payment was sent.
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This guy is a thief. He has taken my money and has made NO effort to return any portion of it. He is now trying to sell items under another name. Forum member please beware. Thank you to the many forum members here that is helping to keep this person from taking other members money. We will continue to look out for each other. Again thank you for sending me this information. This is the bumper I paid for, now he is trying to sale it to again. Do not buy from this guy. He has not been active here since being exposed, so now he does what most crooks do, he changes his name and information. But a thief is a thief by any name. We all work hard for money and we will continue to expose this clown. Again thank you all for helping me keep him honest.
DREAMS FOR LESS AUTO REPLICA AVENTADOR FRONT BUMPER MOLD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uwBAAB_Llk#)
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It's been brought to my attention that Aspara is the fellow known as Proto2 from the other forums and if this is true, he has a bit of a bad reputation from previous projects like the Zonda body that he was going to bring to market.
Until this is cleared up, treat this as a warning to anyone dealing with him and we'll try to leave it at that. 6.0nut I would encourage you to make this a legal matter and let the courts decide the outcome.
Thanks
Chris
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Good advice Chris. Just please note that he has been on and off the forum on several occasions and have not tried to explain or deny any statement that I have made to the forum members. He knows I have all the proof needed to prove he is a thief.
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he lives in Canada doesnt he? i thought in Alberta? or is it Ontario?
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Last time he was in tri city area Ontario
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If he is the same guy as Prototype/Proto2, he lived in Ontario, just outside Toronto if if I remember correctly, until he left the country for Asia for a while? No idea where he might be now if he is the same person.
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I noticed Dreams For Less ripped off other peoples videos and uploaded them as his own. Some are from the US and some from other countries.
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here is what i found about "Dreams for less"
http://www.youtube.com/user/dreamsforlessauto?feature=watch (http://www.youtube.com/user/dreamsforlessauto?feature=watch)
http://video.hmonghub.com/U0dKRUozc1h2TDgz (http://video.hmonghub.com/U0dKRUozc1h2TDgz)
name: Ian Salter
has car registered in arkansas plate "JUS4SHO"
Cell# 716-235-3167
Buffalo NY (14214 zip)
not sure if its the same person but a lot of cross linked info to this person, they also run multi-level marketing (scams?) for those who believe there is such a thing as "get rich quick"
this in itself tends to lead me to believe this is in the same kind of person.
i could be wrong but doesnt hurt to follow up.
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Is Apsara the same guys from Envy Design, from London Ontario Canada?
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I saw an Aventador front bumper on ebay from Rob. Is that the part that you need?
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Here's a follow up on DreamsForLessAuto. I am Grand. I created DFLA. I.SALTER is my relative and business associate. Plates in Arkansas are false. We work with private builders in the U.S. and Canada with nothing to hide. We also work with RobsLP640. There's no scams or gimmicks. I created this business to deter people who thought SR and LV Replicas were legit and to link honest builders and clients together. You can visit any of our 3 sites. This is not a get rich quick scheme or some b.s. people who take money and run. There's a lot of fakes out here and we aren't one.Shoot me a email and I'll reply within 24-48hrs. DREAMSFORLESSAUTO at gmail dot com..... Peace
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So let me get this straight. Your plan is to come on the forum and tell the members of this forum that you are in business with and a relative of a proven thief and the "Plates in Arkansas are false.". Then you say "This is not a get rich quick scheme or some b.s. people who take money and run" (Keep in mind this is exactly what you and your business partner/ relative have done to me. Taken my money and run). I am an honest person, so I don't associate nor do I go into to business with Dishonest people. Most people surround themselves with other people that share similar habits, personalities and beliefs . If you are a truly honest business person, you will either return the money I paid for the item you have listed on your website or you will supply the item itself. So now the people you hope to do future business with/ this forums members are now watching to see how you resolve this.Fellow member please keep this in mind " Names change, but habits do not" Once again thank each of you who are continuing to help keep our hobby clean.So Dreams For Less Auto if this was my relative I would help handle the issue of him taking my money last year , then asking for more shipping money then never send out nothing ,i have all PAY PAL records to prove my transaction.if he is your relative / business partner ,can you sort this out and prove who is the brains behind the operation ,or at least right a wrong ,I still need and want this front bumper I paid full price plus shipping for.I was hoping he would mold it or do what ever he needed to do with it and send me my bumper. I hope you are the business man ,you say you are ,& fix this, asap.
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Who the frog are you referring to? Please upload some proof of doing any business with DFLA. You've never sent me a dime. You're the one lying frog head. Don't ever tryand down play me or my team. Show some proof of anyone getting ripped off, scammed or anything. Any video that was on youtube that belonged to someone else we had the owners permission. State actual facts instead of following false hype.
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Idk who could of used our name call me now directly Grand 716-381-2383
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Here is the proof you asked for. Please follow the post numbers of this thread.
Post #22 Shows bumper being built by your business partner/ relative
Post #30 Shows bumper built by your business partner/ relative
Post #47 Shows that full payment was sent to your business partner/ relative for the bumper (Notice the date as well)
Post #49 Shows more payment info and tracking number request from your business partner/ relative
Post #52 Asking again for tracking info from your business partner/ relative
Post #53 Response from your business partner/ relative (Notice the date as well)
Post #54 Me requesting shipping info from your business partner/ relative
Post # 63 Me informing the forum of your business partner/ relative not sending item or responding after item has been paid for and shipping paid for.
Post #64 The item I paid your business partner/ relative for being shown at your shop with your company contact info
Post #75 You confirming that this person is your business partner/ relative
If you require more PROOF I can post the PMs from your business partner/ relative
So if you still do not know who could have used your companys name you need to speak to your business partner/ relative[/b
Fill free to contact me openly over the forum as I have nothing to hide or cover up. Thank you
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Whats the PayPal email they used? I have zero claims because we dont sell parts. Just the replica cars. That video was sent to us from Canada. They tagged our name to show us proof that they build. Not us. Its two of us. We never lived in Canada nor Arkansas. NY all day.
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Lame excuse after lame excuse.. I feel for you 6.0nut i have been ripped off also and it sucks big time! @ GrandBorghini..do you believe this man is just trying to talk smack against you and your business partner for the fun of it? cmon dude look at how passionate he is and how much detailed evidence he is posting! Your guilty and you know it. All i see from your responses is excuses and pointing the blame somewhere else when you clearly admitted that you are associated with the man that ripped this man off (6.0nut). Dont you have a concience?? instead of talking smack like a NewYorker, why dont you have sympathy and understanding and help him?? Wait, i know why..CAUSE YOUR A SCAMMER!! thats why. I hope you scam the wrong person and get some serious "streetjustice" on your ask! Im so tired of people like you stay out of our forums and go back to the rock you crawled out of!
Whats the PayPal email they used? I have zero claims because we dont sell parts. Just the replica cars. That video was sent to us from Canada. They tagged our name to show us proof that they build. Not us. Its two of us. We never lived in Canada nor Arkansas. NY all day.
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Listen fatboy I feel sorry for you but to sit here and talk on something thats not real makes your an idiot. I offered this guy to call my direct line and still nada. By you saying anything about New Yorkers doesnt offend me in the slightest way Homie. Ive never scammed anyone in my life G. Crazy thing is I AM THAT I AM. TRUTH. This is the first time I've ever been on here. So to clear things up. Call me dogg
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I was under the impression you could clear up something with your relative / business partner , now he is an associate , that you cannot control ,but you have tied yourself to him by posting that he is your relative and business partner / associate,no need to go off on anyone ,it was very naive of me to think you would try to clear this up with your cousin ,business partner / associate rather than try to discredit me.This is funny , i guess as long as you come through for you its all good. On the other hand if it was my business ,i would jump on the phone ,call my relative and tell him ,hey you need to fix this asap because it has me tied to you and your bad dealing an misfortune ,this is my last post about the subject. Tell your relative hello ,i look for any and all ads posted under any of the 4 names used ,so we can bring his deals to front stage.
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Bro call me please. Ian isnt behind this. This is a huge mix up. I can assure you this. If you call me personally 1 on 1 we can talk now.
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6.0 call me back right now, I missed your call. You can call me now so we can clear this up now. Leave a call back number also
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We also work with RobsLP640.
(http://www.helpowl.com/images/icon_red_flag.gif)
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Stupid ghetto thug scammer.
Shameful.
Aightttttt G.
Where is this clowns place of business? As far as I know, there is no one in ny/nyc.
From their new website; http://dreamsforlessauto.webs.com (http://dreamsforlessauto.webs.com)
Here at Dreams For Less Auto, our mission is to provide customers with a chance to build their own customized replica Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti Veyron, Bentley GT, Porsche, or Ashton Martin. We have 4 production sites which are located in the United States. Our Replicas are produced and completed in only 2 to 3 months from our professionals. We have top of the line performance replica sports cars which may include v6 or v8 engines, custom interior/exterior paint, rims, A/V sound systems, automatic start, back up cameras, panaramic roofs and vertical doors. As a valued customer, you also have the option to physically observe your replica during the production stages from our site. It is "your car", so we want "you" to be apart of the process during our building phases! We send pictures and communicate via cell/email and video messaging as requested. We do not scam, or tollerate customers that will give us a hard time. This is why we allow customers to visit ANY of our production sites, meet our builders and even see their car get built in person. WE HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE! We are looking for SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY. For more information please choose our categories on our header of this site and feel free to contact us as soon as possible.
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So how many of these so called production sites do you have? Scam scam scam. Yet you are using a free web hosting service. RIGHTTTTT!
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I did some cleaning up on this thread. I need to remind everyone unless you are directly involved with this deal please stay out of this. I will keep this up even though it is completely irrelevant to the tread title just to see if some good comes out of it. For future please contact through PM's and if there is a major issue that cannot be resolved please post a thread up in the feedback section of the forum warning other members of this company.
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For clarification for the mighty mouth members on this forum...6.0 & I had a long and thorough conversation. My business partner and I have never done any business nor scamming with 6.0 nut. A Canadian who goes by Chanthu Buth sent us the video with our name photo tagged to show us what he built and that he was legit. After speaking with 6.0, we partially resolved the issue in finding the culprit. More info will be provided later. We never sold false products, or accepted payment from anyone with scamming intentions. Please don't reply with the jokes or false information without knowing the facts. Peace.
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Glad to hear things were just misunderstood and thank you for posting this update. Keep us updated on the real scammer here so we can add it to the list of scammers!
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Will do usmc_butler
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usmc_butler you are a senior member here and i have a very high respect to you, i am asking your help and no bull's help in please help us members here who have become victims of scammers who are using this forum to rip people off. What i mean is can we start and enforce a "zero tolerance policy" for people who are using this forum to sell their products. Can we 1) require the sellers to settle all disputes with other members who have a valid claim against them? 2) Make sure that the vendor fills out a special page of required info such as true verified names and addresses and references w/ 2 contact phone numbers. 3) make sure the vendor is a certain level of membership here with certain amount of time as a member in good standing. 4) make sure that the vendor accepts paypal as the only method of payment. 5) must maintain a certain level of positive feedback in order to continue selling his/her product on this forum. Taking the time to prepare this and put it into action would require a little time and experimenting with options but the impact on the members lives in saving them from further catastrophic losses and mental anguish would be the most rewarding and achievment anyone could ever ask for. We all see good people/members getting ripped off almost every week here now and we cannot just turn our heads anymore and just say "settle this in court" or "post this on some back page" that no one reads. The forum is a direct link that connects the bad guys to innocent members and i strongly believe the forum has a responsibility to protect its members. We members are looking out for each other and we do our best but its not enough. We have all the tools needed to put this into action just need your help please understand and help us, thank you very much. Sorry if my grammar sucks :D
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Best way to solve any future issues is to only buy/sell through ebay. Both buyer and seller are protected at two levels... ebay and PayPal. At minimum I would only pay through PayPal or check/cash if I were to pick it up.
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i agree with you sir, unfortunately alot of products are put for sale particularly on this forum because they cater to specific clients (builders) most are other builders or pretend builders who are using this forum to rip off innocent members. i feel the moderators should take the steps to ensure members safety, its not that difficult to do and would be a life saver of epic proportions. The impact would be so great it would be like fighting terrorism. Were simply talking about making vendors accountable and if they are going to use this forum to make a profit, they must adhere to certain rules and requirements wich uphold and maintain the safety and standards of this forum with respect to its members. :D
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Simple fix, you must list part on ebay and you can post your ebay listing on this forum. Only thing would be that the admin would have review the listing before approving the listing... But worth the effort I think.
I sell on ebay and not as a hobby but as an income. I sell over $20k a month in inventory and building. I would rather sell on ebay and pay a fee than on Craig's list and save the 15%.
Just my 2 pennies
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Simple fix, you must list part on ebay and you can post your ebay listing on this forum. Only thing would be that the admin would have review the listing before approving the listing... But worth the effort I think.
I sell on ebay and not as a hobby but as an income. I sell over $20k a month in inventory and building. I would rather sell on ebay and pay a fee than on Craig's list and save the 15%.
Just my 2 pennies
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Dammmmmm im in the wrong market...lol... 20k a month.... wowzers if your not on your way to becoming a millionaire you must already b there. I really have to step my game up.. oh n yea wouod be nice to regulate things thilats been my biggest pet peev and rant subs.. ppl trying to take advantage.. evn simple dum shht I postd looking for cheap window reg wystem less than 300 n ive had several ppl post or mostly pm me offering "oem" for 400-600 wtf I said cheaper...duuhhhh but guess thier trying the old roap a'dope trick.. but yea uhhh long story short my point is you can try to regulate members but thier will b the classic new guy selling parts with an established user name "most likey" them aswell ..voutching for the new member or vice versa.. fake transactions and private messages galore.. honesty its like fighting terrorism there will never b a end or solution its just a one eye open and second guessing type of world
Remember the rep world is a big ticket scam so just like a bank or big heist ppl will put hours days weeks maybe even years into planning the perfect hit. Shht only take one fake build and you easily see 50k or better gone. Thats a nice come up for a scammer especially for a crime thats technically just a misdimenior.unless he has yor car first like title is already transferred in your name. If not then its just a breaxh of contract which it most states is civil the ones thats its a crime... its minor.. meaing he'll get probation. IF HE/SHE GETS CAUGHT. FCKD UP WORLD
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Simple fix, you must list part on ebay and you can post your ebay listing on this forum. Only thing would be that the admin would have review the listing before approving the listing... But worth the effort I think.
I sell on ebay and not as a hobby but as an income. I sell over $20k a month in inventory and building. I would rather sell on ebay and pay a fee than on Craig's list and save the 15%.
Just my 2 pennies
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Dammmmmm im in the wrong market...lol... 20k a month.... wowzers if your not on your way to becoming a millionaire you must already b there. I really have to step my game up..
Lol that's not $20k in profits, just in sells. If I were making that per month I would save up to buy a real lambo.
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MODERATORS: My personal opinion is this thread should be split. We have definitely hijacked and derailed the original intent of this thread - it is a build diary remember? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see any clear connection between the OP and the scam allegedly perpetrated. I think it is fine to have this discussion, I just believe it belongs somewhere else.
This is post is not intended as a flame. We all just need to be honest, realistic and take personal responsibility.
What i mean is can we start and enforce a "zero tolerance policy" for people who are using this forum to sell their products.
This sounds nice but it simply isn't feasible.
Can we 1) require the sellers to settle all disputes with other members who have a valid claim against them?
You know, in a perfect world, that would be great. In reality, it is complicated. Who is going to verify there is actually a valid claim? How does anyone know there was even a transaction to begin with? Maybe the claim is from another vendor who is trying to destroy his competition? This site simply cannot guarantee all prior disputes have been settled.
2) Make sure that the vendor fills out a special page of required info such as true verified names and addresses and references w/ 2 contact phone numbers.
Again, who is going to verify the information provided to true and correct? Who is going to pay for the private detective to establish all this? If the buyer wants references, they can ask for them before doing business with the vendor. This isn't the site's responsibility.
3) make sure the vendor is a certain level of membership here with certain amount of time as a member in good standing.
I actually think this isn't a bad idea at all but I don't think it would solve the problem.
4) make sure that the vendor accepts paypal as the only method of payment.
Meh, this is between the buyer and seller. Why should Lamboclone get involved in the method of payment? Buyers need to be smart. Period.
5) must maintain a certain level of positive feedback in order to continue selling his/her product on this forum.
I actually think this isn't a bad idea either but it adds certain complications. It would be up to Chris if he wants to implement something like this.
Taking the time to prepare this and put it into action would require a little time and experimenting with options but the impact on the members lives in saving them from further catastrophic losses and mental anguish would be the most rewarding and achievment anyone could ever ask for. We all see good people/members getting ripped off almost every week here now and we cannot just turn our heads anymore and just say "settle this in court" or "post this on some back page" that no one reads. The forum is a direct link that connects the bad guys to innocent members and i strongly believe the forum has a responsibility to protect its members. We members are looking out for each other and we do our best but its not enough. We have all the tools needed to put this into action just need your help please understand and help us, thank you very much.
i feel the moderators should take the steps to ensure members safety, its not that difficult to do and would be a life saver of epic proportions.
If this is all "not that difficult", maybe you should start your own forum and make it happen. I'm sure it would be appreciated.
I do feel bad for the victims of unscrupulous vendors. However, selling parts is just one small part of this hobby. Everyone realizes this site is not LamboBay right? Lamboclone is not some escrow service that guarantees all transactions are risk-free. Chris (No Bull) isn't making any money off any of the transactions that occur here. He doesn't have the time to be the mediator between all parties in every dispute. Just because someone purchases from a vendor who advertised on this site does not mean that buyer has no personal responsibility to make sure he is conducting his business in a safe manner. Due diligence is still the buyer's responsibility! If there is a problem, the recourse we have on this forum is the vendor feedback system. Use it! Then pursue your legal options. Lamboclone does not endorse any vendor nor can they be responsible for any deal gone bad. It is really that simple.
The impact would be so great it would be like fighting terrorism.
Now that is just silly. These are just cars/car parts man! People aren't getting beheaded here. If you really want someone to protect you, talk to your congressman. They will be happy to take control of your life. ;)
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I hope you guys figure out a good solution for this issue...
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I actually already have it figured out. These are my three golden rules of any transaction:
1) Only pay with secure payment unless picking up item in person.
2) Avoid dealing with vendors who have been repeatedly reported as scammers.
3) If you absolutely can't avoid the reported scammers because they are the only ones with the parts, see rule #1!
It is also nice to see the parts you are purchasing in advance as well as see positive feedback from other members. It is pretty simple right?
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I have gone to the effort to accept credit cards. After researching Paypal, I have concluded that it is only good for a company that is not qualified to take credit cards to sell to a customer that is not eligible for a credit card. I also found that the same buyer protection is in place with credit cards, actually considerably more for the buyer with an American Express Card. May sound like a commercial but we take Visa, MasterCard, and American Express, but we do not take Paypal. I hope this does not hinder our ability to do business in the future.
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Here are my thoughts on handing out my credit card information randomly...
few if any credit card companies are going to back a person who "willfully" submits their CC information to someone over a phone/email etc. without a receipt or paper trail, that person would be left holding the debts as well as any further debts if that information gets passed along, without suggesting their card was "stolen"
any company that does not accept the now "Widely" accepted PayPal format (which you dont even have to have a PayPal account to issue or receive funds but doesnt cost anything to have)...is more of a question mark than a solution, what company wants to limit its methods of receiving money? if its a matter of the fees then just add to the cost to cover the fees.
A third party that acts as like an escrow is far more favorable to the general populace
not suggesting anything but thats my opinion on the subject.
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I consider credit card a secure form of payment. So far I have never been denied a dispute I filed. That is my experience.
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Like I said, I hope this does not hinder our ability in the future to do business, and like I said, the protection offered by American Express (including free insurance) seems superior to Paypal protection to me. But enough about this. I doubt if Mr. Digibeam is going to buy anything from me anyway, and I hope this is not taken as harassment by him again. How is the Aventador build coming? Remember the Aventador build? This thread is about the Aventador build.
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Ok sir, thank you for tearing me to pieces. You can clearly see all i want is to ask the forum to help those of us who are victims of scams from other members/vendors. You use the word "hijacked" loosely but when i mention the word "terrorism" its a joke to you? wow thanks brother. I never disrespected anyone or attempted to steal the "spotlight" from anyone, i just feel for the gentleman who got "ripped off" because i was ripped off also and i want to support my fellow builder/victim, whats wrong with that? You have actually broken down and tore apart my entire message asking for help as if you were insulted by my asking for help or that i or anyone asking for help in this matter are idiots and should seek advice from our "congressman"?? really? i mean did you really just say that?? this may be a way for you to spread your wings here, but dont downplay or insult the fact that im asking for help for a very serious matter wich DIRECTLY involves the forum. Yes, it directly involves the forum because the forum is a reliable link for crooks to steal money from innocent people, is that funny or stupid to you? well its not to me and other people. Dont kill the messenger brother im sure many other members would like to have some help in becoming more organized and proactive in this matter. Isnt that a nice goal to look forward to? I think it is.. Go start my own forum you say.. thank you for those kind words. I hope you realize that your reaction wasnt positive it was a negative and im not asking to to be bashed, im asking for help. PLease be nice you are a senior member and well respected so please help in addressing this matter not brushing it under the rug and ridiculing those who speak about it. Many of us have lost alot of money and it hurts our families as well. Thank you for your time. My response isnt intended to provoke you and i mean everything i say respectfully, you are a senior member here and i respect you. Thank you for your time.
MODERATORS: My personal opinion is this thread should be split. We have definitely hijacked and derailed the original intent of this thread - it is a build diary remember? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see any clear connection between the OP and the scam allegedly perpetrated. I think it is fine to have this discussion, I just believe it belongs somewhere else.
This is post is not intended as a flame. We all just need to be honest, realistic and take personal responsibility.
What i mean is can we start and enforce a "zero tolerance policy" for people who are using this forum to sell their products.
This sounds nice but it simply isn't feasible.
Can we 1) require the sellers to settle all disputes with other members who have a valid claim against them?
You know, in a perfect world, that would be great. In reality, it is complicated. Who is going to verify there is actually a valid claim? How does anyone know there was even a transaction to begin with? Maybe the claim is from another vendor who is trying to destroy his competition? This site simply cannot guarantee all prior disputes have been settled.
2) Make sure that the vendor fills out a special page of required info such as true verified names and addresses and references w/ 2 contact phone numbers.
Again, who is going to verify the information provided to true and correct? Who is going to pay for the private detective to establish all this? If the buyer wants references, they can ask for them before doing business with the vendor. This isn't the site's responsibility.
3) make sure the vendor is a certain level of membership here with certain amount of time as a member in good standing.
I actually think this isn't a bad idea at all but I don't think it would solve the problem.
4) make sure that the vendor accepts paypal as the only method of payment.
Meh, this is between the buyer and seller. Why should Lamboclone get involved in the method of payment? Buyers need to be smart. Period.
5) must maintain a certain level of positive feedback in order to continue selling his/her product on this forum.
I actually think this isn't a bad idea either but it adds certain complications. It would be up to Chris if he wants to implement something like this.
Taking the time to prepare this and put it into action would require a little time and experimenting with options but the impact on the members lives in saving them from further catastrophic losses and mental anguish would be the most rewarding and achievment anyone could ever ask for. We all see good people/members getting ripped off almost every week here now and we cannot just turn our heads anymore and just say "settle this in court" or "post this on some back page" that no one reads. The forum is a direct link that connects the bad guys to innocent members and i strongly believe the forum has a responsibility to protect its members. We members are looking out for each other and we do our best but its not enough. We have all the tools needed to put this into action just need your help please understand and help us, thank you very much.
i feel the moderators should take the steps to ensure members safety, its not that difficult to do and would be a life saver of epic proportions.
If this is all "not that difficult", maybe you should start your own forum and make it happen. I'm sure it would be appreciated.
I do feel bad for the victims of unscrupulous vendors. However, selling parts is just one small part of this hobby. Everyone realizes this site is not LamboBay right? Lamboclone is not some escrow service that guarantees all transactions are risk-free. Chris (No Bull) isn't making any money off any of the transactions that occur here. He doesn't have the time to be the mediator between all parties in every dispute. Just because someone purchases from a vendor who advertised on this site does not mean that buyer has no personal responsibility to make sure he is conducting his business in a safe manner. Due diligence is still the buyer's responsibility! If there is a problem, the recourse we have on this forum is the vendor feedback system. Use it! Then pursue your legal options. Lamboclone does not endorse any vendor nor can they be responsible for any deal gone bad. It is really that simple.
The impact would be so great it would be like fighting terrorism.
Now that is just silly. These are just cars/car parts man! People aren't getting beheaded here. If you really want someone to protect you, talk to your congressman. They will be happy to take control of your life. ;)
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I think there are a couple things that should be set straight here.
1. The term hijacked pertains to someone coming into a non-relevant topic and posting information that doesn't directly relate to that topic. The topic started out as a build thread and started moving towards a problem with a purchase. The suggestion was made to split the two topics out so that they didn't collide with one another. This is for the sake of the person who's build diary has been overrun but for those who are following or will be following the thread later on.
2. This forum does not bear the responsibility of resolving purchase or selling problems. As a service to others I do tolerate some feedback as long as it's justified with an example that can be proved and is delivered constructively. I'm not a judge and I can't resolve your issues here. Get an attorney and resolve your losses in the courts. Everyone wants to be warned about possible bad sellers however no one wants to read about it day after day and trying to harass someone into resolution by posting and reposting bad things about them on this site is simply not tolerated.
Chris
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Hi Chris, thanks for clarifying this.. i do understand that you are not responsible to mediate or resolve peoples purchase and/or sales problems, i understand and agree with you. I simply wrote asking for help to come up with ways to help prevent scammers from using your forum, it is now and always will be an issue that needs to be addressed and dealt with on some level. This problem is only getting worse and it will not go away. I dont have the answers to everything, and i dont claim to.. but isnt it a shame that when a man speaks out asking for help that he gets ridiculed? do you condone that? im not a very smart person im just a member who has been scammed out of money and it hurts financially and mentally, lets just say it sucks big time, i feel like the entire response to my asking for help was a "HOW DARE YOU" and was literally picked apart, Ray Charles could see that one. Picture this sir, in your left hand you hold rabbits and in your right hand you hold a hungry wolf, this forum is a bridge that connects them together and the wolves are running amuck and using your forum as a playground to feed on the rabbits. Do you turn your cheek and wash your hands of it or make an attempt to help reduce/eliminate the problem? Big Pines says "these are only cars and parts man!" They are NOT just cars and parts.. these are real people and real money and real lives that are effected. Period. I find that remark shameful, im only trying to help keep your forum a safe and fun place for us builders. i will not post anymore about this, but i would hope senior members would act more positive and helpful with suggestions instead of bashing and degrading. I have been respectful always and will continue to be. Its just hard to sit back and watch all the victims time after time and more and more to come as they suffer and lose as i did. Thank you for your time sir. Sorry for the bad grammar :)
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I completely disagree with your comments about this site placing the wolves with the rabbits. This site has actually exposed several "scammers" and has actually helped protect many buyers however let's not forget that this isn't the main purpose of this site. What draws so many scammers into this hobby are the following.
1. The number of buyers that want "something for nothing". There is this belief out there that someone can build a quality car for $20,000 or less. You can read many stories on this site about how this simply isn't possible unless you are starting with a lot of parts, going bare bones or you are willing to make the parts yourself. If it's too good to be true... then "caveat emptor". Remember that you are trying to replicate a car that costs around $400,000 new and I can assure you that Audi is not building them for $20,000 each.
2. The number of sellers that can't or don't deliver on parts for those buyers looking to build a car for $20,000. The reality sinks in that the cost of making low cost parts doesn't pay out for the seller or the parts they can make at this price doesn't match up to the buyers expectations.
There are a number of true scammers out there that prey on the buyer that wants something for nothing basically and that's exactly what the buyer receives... nothing.
They also know that most buyers won't follow it up in court because of the legal costs or for fear that the courts will throw it out of court. If it bothers you enough, then you have the right to take them to court otherwise you need to warn others once or twice the correct way and move on. I'm not saying that every replica should cost $60,000 but what I am saying that anyone planning a "quality build" for $20,000 or less is just fooling themselves and they really need to consider a different hobby.
Good parts from honest sellers typically are not cheap and when they are, you should always cover your purchases with insurance. You asked for protection advice and that is what many members provided to you. Buy via EBay or PayPal so your purchases are protected by them. Some credit card companies also provide this protection. They can provide you with far more protection than this site can and they can quickly refund you and pursue the seller themselves.
This is a reoccurring topic and there are several threads on this site providing best buying and selling practices. The best we can offer anyone on this site are experiences (both good and bad) and then moving on to what's important.. the build.
Chris
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Well said Chris.. your an intelligent man. You made your point without being insulting. That says alot . I hope i can be smarter in the choices i make when i make a purchases. Definitely i will use a credit card for all my purchases and so should others because the banks will almost always back you up. At least i got you thinking about it and thats a big step in the right direction. Thanks for your time Chris have a nice evening.
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Fatboyslim, I am sorry you misunderstood my response. It was not meant to disrespect, downplay, insult or ridicule anyone. It was meant to explain piece by piece that what you are asking for in your post is literally impossible. Ideologically, you and I disagree on the solution to this problem. That is all. At the same time, I actually said a couple of your ideas were interesting.
I think it is despicable that there are people who intentionally take advantage of other people but unfortunately this is the world we live in. It always has been and always will be. It is disgusting to me that straight-up fraud is happening to so many people in this hobby. Other times, I believe vendors have every intention of fulfilling their end of the agreement but they get in over their head and are unable to do so for various reasons. I don't believe that either case is acceptable. I don't condone this or look the other way and I don't find it humorous. At the same time, there are things we can all do to prevent becoming a victim. As Chris said, many people have pointed these things out many times.
Some people look to blame someone else or SOMETHING else (like a web forum) for their poor decisions. These people seem to be looking for someone to save them and others from the pain of their own mistakes. Power-hungry politicians and governments prey on this type of thinking. They are waiting to take your freedom in exchange for "guaranteeing" your safety. On the other hand, I believe in freedom and personal responsibility. My post was meant to outline that we must each accept personal responsibility for the business transactions we get into. I do not believe in placing the blame on a website instead of accepting the consequences of poor decisions made. We must all accept the consequences (good or bad) of our own decisions.
I guess I got carried away with the tongue-in-cheek comment about the congressman. It was just that, tongue-in-cheek. That is what the little winky emoticon ;) means. It is not meant to be interpreted literally or seriously. It was a ridiculous comment to counter the ridiculous terrorism reference. It was a nod that if you want complete safety, you have to completely give up your freedom. There are those waiting to give you exactly this. As Benjamin Franklin said "They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I personally would rather have the freedom that allows an open exchange of goods and services on this forum. I believe I can be trusted to decide what products are right for me, whom I want to do business with and how I pay them. While I appreciate valuable feedback about vendors who have not fulfilled their obligations, I don't believe Lamboclone needs to protect me from my own poor decisions nor do I want that intrusion. I would prefer an open and free exchange.
Peace brother. I don't think you are an idiot. It's not like that at all. We just disagree.
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Thank you Big Pines for explaining yourself, you are well respected here and i appreciate that. I will say this one last thing then i will shut my pie hole...I want you to imagine a nice park with a playground that you and your family have enjoyed for a long time and then out of the blue gang members and drug dealers started hanging out there and made the park unsafe for you and your family. We all know the city didnt build the park with the intention of this to happen and it effects many of the people who use the park and want to enjoy its benefits. This is why the very city that built the park will enforce curfews and have the park patrolled in an attempt to keep its park clean and safe for everyone to enjoy. The bad guys will stay there and continue to do bad things if no one steps up and does something about it. This is why community watch programs are all over the place these days. This is just a scenario that im hoping will let you see through my eyes, this has nothing to do with congress or having to take responsibility for our own actions, these things are already known and accepted as we are big boys now and we deal with it, we have too our wives remind us how dumb we are as it is. Im talking about members offering other members car body's, car parts, interior and exterior pieces, services etc. then we trust that person because they are an existing forum member and we give that person lots of money only to get burned. This happened to me i wont say his name but i was burned buying G28 doors by a very highly ranking member here and got burned for $1500. i trusted this person cause he was very reputable here and youd be shocked to know who he is but i wont go there. i was simply asking for some help to protect our "neighborhood park" somehow. Im not looking for pity, just tired of seeing this happen over and over. Im done now, my wife is screaming at me telling me im retarded, gotta go to bed thanks for your time.
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I think we understand each other. I do understand where you are coming from and you are welcome to voice your opinion. ::beers I respect that. That is what makes this forum great. I am very sorry to hear about your bad experience. I would personally like to know who it was. This is the vendor feedback area after all.
You know, Chris has a wonderful bedside manor that I lack. I tend to be more direct and it rubs people the wrong way sometimes. I could learn from Chris' wisdom.
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Thank you sir, your awesome ::thumbup
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Fatboyslim, respectfully, "We trust that person because they are an existing forum member". What? I was thinking I missed something here and was just about to go through your posts to see what your vendor issue was when I saw in your last post that you will not reveal it. You want the forum to take action to protect us, among other things to require a seller to "Maintain positive feedback ... on the Forum", and yet you yourself are not willing to provide negative feedback. Respectfully, really?
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and yet you yourself are not willing to provide negative feedback
I can appreciate someone who is first trying to resolve their issues first and only resorting to posting something negative once all other options have been exhausted. You get more bees with honey and attacking someone prematurely will often mean that you'll never see your money or parts.
Posting negative feedback on someone should always be your last resort.
Chris
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Point taken.
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This happened to me i wont say his name but i was burned buying G28 doors by a very highly ranking member here and got burned for $1500. i trusted this person cause he was very reputable here and youd be shocked to know who he is but i wont go there. i was simply asking for some help to protect our "neighborhood park" somehow.
Ok now I'm totally confused
If you got scammed for $1500 by someone here, but you won't say who it was , how can this forum help exposé or stop them ? YOU need to be willing to step up and say who scammed you. Chris even set up a whole section of this site for resolving issues with vendors but you need to be willing to expose the person who scammed you.
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Sir, maybe you should read this. If that person doesnt give me my money back soon i certainly will tell you who it is. Believe me, i would like to expose this person but im hoping he will come through so im giving him a final chance. Im trying to be fair before i drag him through the mud. Exposing him wasnt what my intentions when i wrote asking for help. The reason i said that about the member ripping me off was because i wanted the mods to see that i wasnt just some dude talking cause i have nothing better to do but am an actual victim so that i may have more credibility, not to start another topic on my personal experience. Thats another Thread that you will soon see..im happy that i have your attention though, cause this guy is considered very established here and will shock you im sure cause youd never expect it from him. I certainly didnt. Wow, these gloves are getting heavy . Have a nice day sir ::sun
and yet you yourself are not willing to provide negative feedback
I can appreciate someone who is first trying to resolve their issues first and only resorting to posting something negative once all other options have been exhausted. You get more bees with honey and attacking someone prematurely will often mean that you'll never see your money or parts.
Posting negative feedback on someone should always be your last resort.
Chris
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If it's John Watson, consider the money as good as gone.
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Its not John Watson, but i have a great news.. the person who i had an issue with has just given me $1000 back on my paypal today and promises he will give the balance next week. This means hes a good man and has alot of integrity. Maybe he read this thread, i dunno..but leaving his name out was the right thing to do. The end result was we worked things out and im happy. Woo hooo! ::sun