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Build Diaries => Aventador => Topic started by: Xyberz on March 28, 2014, 04:34:36 PM
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Just a continuation of the subject in Inspire's http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=1496.0 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=1496.0) thread. Sorry about that bro, didn't mean to hijack your thread.
I'm hoping that when it comes time, and it will come sooner rather than later, that there is enough serious interest from members and we'll be able to splash the real deal. No 3D CNC anything. This will be for people who are seeking the absolute best and you can't get better than the real deal ::LAMBO
That last statement wasn't to put down anyone's amazing work that's been done here and elsewhere.
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Re: Aventador replica kit available.
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The exotic junkyards in Sacramento Ca have aventador that you can splash , and they won't charge $5500 a day
In fact you could probably get them to loan it to you for $1000 total . That's the way to do it , use a salvaged one , preferably something like a flood car where the panels are still perfect
Much better than trying to rent a good aventador and potentially ruining the paint
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I think that is a great idea Tusabes!
I'd love to see this done so I hope you can figure it out. I don't need the Aventador just yet. My brother will be doing one someday but I am still trying to figure out what I am going to do for an accurate LP670.
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I think that is a great idea Tusabes!
I'd love to see this done so I hope you can figure it out. I don't need the Aventador just yet. My brother will be doing one someday but I am still trying to figure out what I am going to do for an accurate LP670.
Man, I wish I was back in Cali so I could visit. I'll be back there this year. Doing this kind of stuff here in Hawaii is too darn expensive and no one ever wants to ship anything volatile here.
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Check this out. Made off the real plans directly from the manufacturer. Accurate down to nearly every detail. Now this I could afford myself right now, besides getting a 3D scanner to scan it.
http://30npire.com/lifestyle/lamborghini-aventador-lp-700-4-18-model-pocher (http://30npire.com/lifestyle/lamborghini-aventador-lp-700-4-18-model-pocher)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooBz2eGPUco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooBz2eGPUco)
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That is the one I was leaning toward myself. I have a 3D scanner so at some point I may actually do that. :)
All said, I would rather have OEM splashed panels or a scanned car but in the absence of either of those options, I think this is the way to go.
BTW, I already contacted them and this was their response:
"Dear Sir Smith
Please, let me inform you that we have worked with the same Lamborghini 3D drawing Lamborghini used in real car
Thanks and regards
Pocher Customer Care"
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That is the one I was leaning toward myself. I have a 3D scanner so at some point I may actually do that. :)
All said, I would rather have OEM splashed panels or a scanned car but in the absence of either of those options, I think this is the way to go.
BTW, I already contacted them and this was their response:
"Dear Sir Smith
Please, let me inform you that we have worked with the same Lamborghini 3D drawing Lamborghini used in real car
Thanks and regards
Pocher Customer Care"
Exactly how I feel. Actual splash of the vehicle itself #1, 3D scan #2, scan of Pocher model #3. I actually emailed Pocher and I got pretty much the exact same response today. Glad to know they put so much care into a 1:8 scale model. The one thing is that it's accurate down to the frame which I don't believe any other model can claim. I have extensive amounts of pictures of just about every part of the Aventador in high detail and even HD video of how the vehicle is manufactured (which I'd be happy to share with anyone else if they're interested for FREE). That model is spot on amazingly.
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One thing to keep in mind is 1:8 scale is absolutely HUGE! The amount of detail is stunning.
Pocher also makes a roadster version that was just released.
Too bad they don't make an LP670. I would buy that in a heartbeat! There is very little chance of me getting actual splashes off that car! I did request that they do one and they responded that they can't comment on future models but they would keep it in mind.
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Right now if you want splashed panels, the only one I know of who claims to have any is RobsLP640. Not sure what all he has but I recall he said he had front bumper, rear bumper, hood and maybe something else. However, based on feedback I have seen, I would be very careful dealing with him. He hasn't given me the warm fuzzies.
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One thing to keep in mind is 1:8 scale is absolutely HUGE! The amount of detail is stunning.
Pocher also makes a roadster version that was just released.
Too bad they don't make an LP670. I would buy that in a heartbeat! There is very little chance of me getting actual splashes off that car! I did request that they do one and they responded that they can't comment on future models but they would keep it in mind.
Definitely, 1:8 scale is huge and you should see the builds at ScaleMotorcars to see how accurate the model is. Of course they have to incorporate screw holes in order to put the model together but other than that it's pretty darn accurate. Only one so far I see that actually has the monocoque separate from the front and rear subframes. That's insane accuracy but surprisingly it's not Porcher's most accurate model vehicle.
Saw the roadster, I think it looks great but I've never been a fan of any roadster vehicle. Just a personal preference.
When you say the LP670, you're talking about the SV racing car? If so I thought I saw someone building that in another forum. I was interested in the Murcie replica until the Aventador came out and then of course my interest shifted.
Also I've heard of Rob's dealings with people who've paid for parts before. He's a hit an miss kinda guy but luckily he does have a location in which you can go to in order to find out what's going on if I can remember correctly. Yes, I'd be wary of him too from what I've read considering it wasn't all good.
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Yeah, I have looked at the Pocher quite a bit. I am impressed. I will probably pick one up before they get discontinued.
Yeah, I'm talking about the Murci SV model. There are several people building that one but I am not aware of anyone who claims to have OEM splashed bumpers or engine lid. Cliff Miller says he has OEM splashed fenders for anyone who may be interested.
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BTW, what HD build footage do you have? Is it the Ultimate Factories that is on YouTube or something else?
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BTW, what HD build footage do you have? Is it the Ultimate Factories that is on YouTube or something else?
That's one of them, also the other is the How It's Made. There are other various videos I have but not HD. I'm still acquiring more when I can find them.
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Can you provide a YouTube link? I would like to have anything available.
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Can you provide a YouTube link? I would like to have anything available.
Actually I don't have links to them anywhere. I just searched and downloaded what I could from YouTube directly to my computer. So I have my own personal collection without the need to have internet should I need to review or just want to watch them. Some I did have to get from elsewhere as they're not all on YouTube.
If you'd like, I can upload them to my DropBox and you can get them there. Lemme know.
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Discovery Channel "Rides"
Lamborghini: Inside The Factory & The Story Of How Its Made. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iemNJ59DT5k#ws)
Nat Geo "Supercars"
Nat Geo Supercars Lamborghini Aventador 720p (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M5Vk7fhzP4#ws)
New Aventador LP 720-4
NEW Lamborghini AVENTADOR LP 720-4 50° Anniversario - DESIGN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJOQNRgikmo#ws)
Here are a few HD video links to YouTube on the making of the Aventador and a quick video of the new Aventador LP 720-4. ::thumbup
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Thanks. I did have the top two. Man, that 720-4 is awesome isn't it?
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Thanks. I did have the top two. Man, that 720-4 is awesome isn't it?
It is! I just found that when I was looking for these links :drool
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If you liked that short video, check this out...
2014 Lamborghini Aventador LP720-4 50° Anniv. Start Up, Exhaust, Test Drive, and In Depth Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Qc_Z5QZq8#ws)
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Does anyone have or know of any good video build diaries?
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I know RT has a series of build videos that are really good. Not sure of his YouTube channel. Maybe he will chime in.
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Is RT, Ron Tinari?
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I'm not sure what his real name is but this is the member I was referring to: http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=24 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=24)
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I found this channel that's why I ask.
http://m.youtube.com/user/RonTinari/about
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Yep, that is him! :) Not sure if all his videos are out there or not.
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That would be correct. One and the same but there's only one. He broke the molds.
Jim
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Yep, That's me!
I posted a few videos on my build. I hope they can help others or inspire them to be creative with their build.
I have also added some schematics here for various electrical issues, like the one-touch-down windows for a roadster with the automatic window drop.
Thanks for noticing.
RT
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You are awesome RT!
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There is also the Extreme Murci build video. It has some ideas on how to do a lot of different things. http://www.extreme-sportscars.com/murci/index.html (http://www.extreme-sportscars.com/murci/index.html)
...but we are getting off topic here. :)
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You are right... So what's wrong with a 3D scan vs an actual splash?
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I don't think a 3D scan is a bad way to go but it has some disadvantages. The main one is the 3D model must eventually be converted into a physical shape from which you can pull your molds.
This involves a LOT of extra time, work and money. Also, if this stage is not done correctly, it can destroy the accuracy of the original scan.
3D scanning equipment can be expensive. Scanning is also a very specialized skill. It is a skill I am still trying to master.
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I don't think a 3D scan is a bad way to go but it has some disadvantages. The main one is the 3D model must eventually be converted into a physical shape from which you can pull your molds.
This involves a LOT of extra time, work and money. Also, if this stage is not done correctly, it can destroy the accuracy of the original scan.
3D scanning equipment can be expensive. Scanning is also a very specialized skill. It is a skill I am still trying to master.
You're right, I contacted companies in regards to scanning vehicles since they're specialists and they have said vehicles aren't easy. If you want a very high level of accuracy, even a $25k machine like the Arctic Eva won't cut the cake. It'll make it close but not if you want it nearly dead on. Also you would need 2 different machines if you want to do the outside and inside correctly. These machines are over $100k each so buying would be out of the question. Thankfully you can rent these machines for about $5.5k a week and that's without training which requires maybe 3-5 days and is about $1.2k per day.
Plus you run into the problem of scanning panels accurately, not the faces but the sides to make sure you have the correct thickness of panels. It's not a problem with the machine itself, it's the actual software that a highly skilled specialist has to deal with and that's no small learning curve for an everyday Joe to master. If you have the hire a specialist, expect to pay over $100 per hour for that service alone.
So realistically, either getting your hands on the actual vehicle and splashing the actual thing or going with a 3D model someone made off the internet which is a hit and miss because I've been trying to track down the most accurate model and no one can say how accurate their designs are considering they're getting their models off of various sources such as pictures, maybe model cars, etc. I haven't found one that has done a 3D model of actual measurements off the real thing yet. I doubt if they did, they'd be willing to give it up for cheap. The cost of replicating a vehicle ;)
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Well, my scanner is fairly inexpensive and it is so accurate you can scan coins or even fingerprints so I think it would work just fine for a car. In fact, other people have done cars on it with amazing results. http://www.david-3d.com/ (http://www.david-3d.com/)
You don't need to scan the side to get the right thickness because you only need to cut a positive mold/plug/buck from the scan. From that you can pull a mold. When you create your parts, you will determine the thickness by the amount of material you use in the lay-up.
I know it has been done in the past but I would never use a model I found on the internet to do this. However, I believe scanning the 1:8 Pocher is a viable alternative to scanning a full-size car.
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Well, my scanner is fairly inexpensive and it is so accurate you can scan coins or even fingerprints so I think it would work just fine for a car. In fact, other people have done cars on it with amazing results. [url]http://www.david-3d.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.david-3d.com/[/url])
You don't need to scan the side to get the right thickness because you only need to cut a positive mold/plug/buck from the scan. From that you can pull a mold. When you create your parts, you will determine the thickness by the amount of material you use in the lay-up.
I know it has been done in the past but I would never use a model I found on the internet to do this. However, I believe scanning the 1:8 Pocher is a viable alternative to scanning a full-size car.
Yeah, I saw that scanner in a search for scanners. I'm wondering how well it can transfer from the scan it makes to an actual CNC pieces for a buck/mold/plug. There's always gotta be a first right?
You're correct, the Pocher would be the only model if there weren't really any other options to make a scan from. They're the only company, besides the body kit makers, that claim to have access to the original 3D models of the vehicle or have 3D scans from the real thing.
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Well, the Pocher is the cheapest large scale accurate model I know of but there are others. For instance, these guys use scans of actual cars: http://www.amalgamcollection.com/en/product/product_detail.php?SKU=M5458&list_type=&list_value=&PHPSESSID=15b (http://www.amalgamcollection.com/en/product/product_detail.php?SKU=M5458&list_type=&list_value=&PHPSESSID=15b)
...but who can afford them?
Actually, I think many models start with the original 3D files but they make changes to them so they can gracefully scale them down.
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Well, the Pocher is the cheapest large scale accurate model I know of but there are others. For instance, these guys use scans of actual cars: [url]http://www.amalgamcollection.com/en/product/product_detail.php?SKU=M5458&list_type=&list_value=&PHPSESSID=15b[/url] ([url]http://www.amalgamcollection.com/en/product/product_detail.php?SKU=M5458&list_type=&list_value=&PHPSESSID=15b[/url])
...but who can afford them?
Actually, I think many models start with the original 3D files but they make changes to them so they can gracefully scale them down.
Those and the others like them are all preassembled models. Autoart makes a 1:10 scale of them too. The only thing is that I don't think any of the panels are removable and they're not accurate down to the frame as the Porcher is. I like the fact that if you wanted, you could build and showcase the frame and interior without the body panel so you can see the actual insides of the vehicle. I think all scale models should be like this, well at least bigger scale models.
I wonder where all those other companies get their scans from, if it's really actually from Lamborghini like Porcher claims. The only way to know is to actually contact each one but then again why bother spending thousands when you can spend hundreds for something that's even better with Porcher.
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As far as reproducing an accurate body, it doesn't matter if they are pre-assembled or a kit. I mean, you aren't going to make a carbon fiber frame or anything. However, it would be best to get something with doors, hood & trunk that open so you could reproduce the door jams, etc. With the Pocher model, you get lots of useful detail like the inner hood, etc. Also, the larger the model, typically, the better the detail will be.
I'm sure all officially licensed products get their source files from Lamborghini. ::LAMBO
I agree that Pocher looks like the sweet spot if one were going to take this route. If there is nothing better available in a few years, I will probably do just that. A combination of spalshed OEM panels and scans for this model would probably work out perfect. You just have to make sure you upscale perfectly so it all matches up.
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I'm wondering if anyone has been able to reproduce the double hinged parts yet? It seems as if the rear bonnet is and possibly the front. Also making sure to be able to reproduce the rear wing would be nice considering it goes up as your speed increases. It would be sad if that along with the bat wings were just static pieces.
Also ensuring that the vents are functional and not just aesthetic would be good. If you're gonna make a body, might as well make those parts work as they're supposed to considering they're just really holes and I'm not sure how much harder it would be to make them functional.
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Lots of guys make the batwings and vents functional.
lambocars makes some OEM style hinges that are difficult to distinguish from the real thing.
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Lots of guys make the batwings and vents functional.
lambocars makes some OEM style hinges that are difficult to distinguish from the real thing.
Are you talking about their forums? I couldn't find anything on Lambocars.com unless I'm in the wrong spot.
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No, I was referring to the member on this forum who goes by the name lambocars: http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=595 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=595)
His hinges - Rear: http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=2097.0 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=2097.0)
LamboJayso also makes them - Front: http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=1344 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=1344)
Rear: http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=1432 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=1432)
usmc_butler's functional batwings: Replica LP Batwings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Xm02F87WQ#ws)
There is actually a whole section devoted to actuator controlled batwings and spoilers: http://lamboclone.com/index.php?board=36.0 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?board=36.0)
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When making the panels I don't think functionality is something you worry about, obviously they will start out as static pieces then you make them functional for your specific build... things you'll be doing years down the road
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I basically agree. Obviously parts have to be the right shape. Beyond that, there are certain things that can help make things easier/nicer down the road - like the little lip under the batwings that most kits are missing but you aren't going to get that kind of stuff from a model anyway.
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any progress?
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You are right... So what's wrong with a 3D scan vs an actual splash?
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im selling for 48 k a 3d escultor machine , it seems to me that another guys not have the info, data of interior parts of any model this machine works with also small parts, this machine build with my own hands it take to my 4 mounts to build each machine.
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You are a smart and skilled guy aventcar. Do you have pics of your machine? I am curious about how it works.
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I will prepare pics abouth this machine soon. :CSS