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How To - Tips => Frame => Topic started by: autopro on September 25, 2012, 12:05:13 PM
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Now that I have most of my material ready for me to start building my NAERC chassis I started building the frame sections in a 3D program that I have. I will make this thread to ask for your help in the building process of this chassis.
I will start off with frame section ODC-9410, please look at the pictures below and give me your opinions with the problems I am having in the clouded areas. I just want to say that I have double checked all the dimensions and angles on the parts and they are correct as given on the plans:
1. - According to the plans there is supposed to be a reveal of only 1/8†at the ends of part #4010 where it mates to part #4030 but the way I have it I have 5/16†reveal at each end. Should I make part #4030 with new dimensions and angles to fit better to part #4010 in order to have the 1/8†reveal at each end?
2. - No matter which way I rotate parts 4060 and 4050 I can’t get them to align properly and they overlap each other. Again do I change these parts so that they align properly and don’t overlap each other?
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/ODC-9410.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/9410DETAIL.jpg)
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hm never noticed that
I think the center console area has to be built to your own specs anyway because the center tunnel may not match, I believe it says something like that in the plans.
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This is what the note says on the plans:
“Match the consul opening to the structural consul. The structural consul was formed off an original car. It was found to be out of square after we started building the chassis.â€
Since I will be framing in metal for mi own center console measurements does that mean that I can adjust these pieces as I see fit for the center tunnel?
What about the sides and the 1/8†reveal? Do I adjust those inward?
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I would think you can modify it to suit your own needs. Do a fill weld and blend it in with a grinder or adjust your angles a bit. It will be a minor angle change to make it achieve the 1/8" from 5/16"
It's going to be more important that your console fits correct than filling the plans exactly IMO
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i saw one of these chassis about 4-5 weeks ago an it was matched up on top of each other at the firewall center tunnel opening
i would like to use the NAERC chassis main cabin floor steel members / using larger tubing members an add the chassis works front an rear section , to gain the 3" of foot peddle room
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/NAERCANGLECUTS_zps097315c7.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/LP7004UNAERCSTYLEMAINFRAMEBOTTOMTUBtxt.jpg)
i have been asking for for measurements on the front , sides , steel members & the bottom firewall inner cross piece to make this NAERC Base perimeter. an use one 20 gal gas tank on the passenger side
3210 = 49-5/8 side tubing
4010 = 60 3/4 main rear
3060 = 35 1/2 main front
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/LP7004UNAERCSTYLEMAINFRAMEBOTTOMTUBbasetxtno_zpsf76faa57.jpg)
Thanks guys... i can now build the base perimeter of the cabin
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Digibeam just spoke with me. He said "4050 is supposed to be on the bottom not the top, and it also laps over onto 4070 and supports it. The base 4010 should also be 60.75". That area of the plans are critical for the firewall and tunnel connections"
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Digibeam just spoke with me. He said "4050 is supposed to be on the bottom not the top, and it also laps over onto 4070 and supports it. The base 4010 should also be 60.75". That area of the plans are critical for the firewall and tunnel connections"
I do have 4050 on the bottom and 4060 on top. Also 4010 is 60.75" I just forgot to put that measurement on my drawing above. Any ideas??
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Autopro,
I have build a couple of these frames and the area in question must be build around the fiberglass tunnel.
If you do not have a fiberglass tunnel and plan on making your own, then go ahead and make your own fit properly.
I had to cut and rework this area to fit the fiberglass.
Trust me, this is NOT a structural area and nothing to worry about. You will find several areas that don't make sense. For example, the angle of 4030 and the angle of 3230 in section 9320 do not match even in the slightest.
Add flat bar to shape, add more weld, grind and smoothen. It's all good.....
As for your questions at the bottom of 4030, flat plates are available in the laser package to weld onto the ends of 4010 to make it match up. If it doesn't match up don't worry about, it is no big deal.
Just to put your mind at ease, this is a minor structural area.
Places you need to focus on are the rear of the front wheels openings and the engine bay to center cockpit attachment. I added extra triangles at all the main connectors to act as gussets.
Never had a problem.
Cheers;
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@ jdinner
That puts my mind at ease and it makes perfect sense. I will adjust those members and since I will be building the center tunnel it should all be good. Is there a place to get all of those other laser cut pieces?
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Just take the naerc CD that came with the drawings to a laser or water jet shop.
I used http://www.templetonandsons.com/ (http://www.templetonandsons.com/)
Cost me about $3000 to get everything cut and formed.
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ouch no wonder people think these things are expensive to build ::huh
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Dang that's high.
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Just take the naerc CD that came with the drawings to a laser or water jet shop.
I used [url]http://www.templetonandsons.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.templetonandsons.com/[/url])
Cost me about $3000 to get everything cut and formed.
How much for just the floor pans an front wheel well to close off the cabin behind the front wheels ....wheel well area an how many pieces will this be ,no hurry for a answer when you get time.
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I finished ODC-9120, this one was a lot easier and lined up much better. My idea is to print these sections full 1:1 size and use them as a template for when I start welding up the pieces. Let me know if you see any problems or if I don't have the parts in the correct locations. Also, is there a section you guys would recommend to start with building the chassis?
ODC-9120
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/ODC-9120.jpg)
ODC-9120 in 3D viewed from the top
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/ODC-9120TOP.jpg)
ODC-9120 in 3D viewed from the bottom
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/ODC-9120BOTTOM.jpg)
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Print them on clear Mylar. Then you can lay your full scale prints on top of your completed parts, rather than laying out paper and moving your frame over top of the prints. Mylar will also take the abuse from being rolled up and kicked around the shop. ;)
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The floor pan prices would be very difficult to get a price on separately. They are part of a larger piece.
The laser cut pieces include the alignment cams, rear bearing uprights, control arm mounts, fuel tank, steering rack mounts, ball joint mounts, coilover mounts, door hinge mounts, brake and clutch master cylinder mounts and all the sheet metal.
Order of assembly - start with the three main sections and build them first. Order does not matter. Use a laser to align the entire assembly and monitor during welding as it will bend as you are welding. It is wise to give the entire frame a bend before final welding. I'll explain......
With the frame three pieces (entire frame) tacked together turn it upside down. With a laser set it up so the center of the frame is about 1/2" higher than the two ends. When you weld all the bottom welds (top side now because it is upside down) it will pull it straight.
BTW, your sway bar mounts should align with the bottom edge, not the top.
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(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/IKRKUSTOMSCOMBOCHASSISCWampNAERCSTYLE_zps5a7a9764.jpg)
I went to the fab shop today to have the front section made with the angles in it on both side ,i will be using 1 1/2" X 2 1/2" Tubing for the whole floor perimeter using larger tubing an doing it like the CW frame
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Order of assembly - start with the three main sections and build them first. Order does not matter. Use a laser to align the entire assembly and monitor during welding as it will bend as you are welding. It is wise to give the entire frame a bend before final welding. I'll explain......
With the frame three pieces (entire frame) tacked together turn it upside down. With a laser set it up so the center of the frame is about 1/2" higher than the two ends. When you weld all the bottom welds (top side now because it is upside down) it will pull it straight.
BTW, your sway bar mounts should align with the bottom edge, not the top.
Thank you for the tips! I have started with the front section and will post my progress with it as I go. I also moved my sway bar mounts per your suggestion, thanks for catching that. It’s these little things that make these posts very helpful.
Here is section ODC-9110
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/ODC-9110.jpg)
ODC-9130 Front view
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/ODC-9130FRONT.jpg)
ODC-9130 Rear view
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/ODC-9130BACK.jpg)
ODC-9140 viewed from the back with assembly ODC-9130
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/ODC-9140.jpg)
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Here is the complete ODC-9100 front end assembly:
Front view
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/ODC-9100FRONT.jpg)
Rear view
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/ODC-9100REAR.jpg)
Bottom view
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/ODC-9100BOTTOM.jpg)
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Here are some pictures of my progress so far this week. My goal is to have section ODC-9100 complete by the end of next week. Building this first in my computer has been a great help to understand how everything goes together.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC00991.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC00983.jpg)
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(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC00985.jpg)
ODC-9410
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC00986.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC00987.jpg)
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That is AWSOME work!
You want to sell prefabbed pieces? That would be amazing for you to make some extra cash. Nobody has a chassis kit do far!
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That is AWSOME work!
You want to sell prefabbed pieces? That would be amazing for you to make some extra cash. Nobody has a chassis kit do far!
Thanks!
You mean like the sub-assemblies? I don’t see why not.
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Here is the progress for this week, we got a bit of rain last night and didn’t get a chance to cover the chassis :'( but we’ll get it cleaned up.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01010.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01008.jpg)
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We actually got a bit more done than we expected, hopefully by next week I will have the engine cradle done also.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01006.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01005.jpg)
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That's it for this week! ::thumbup
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that's awesome really great job makes me want to make another chassis ::thumbup
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Have a question about your frame and frames in general. Are you going to just tack weld or do you go back and weld the seems completely? Just looks not safe to only tack weld... Dont make frames so I wouldnt know Im just wondering? :)
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Have a question about your frame and frames in general. Are you going to just tack weld or do you go back and weld the seems completely? Just looks not safe to only tack weld... Dont make frames so I wouldnt know Im just wondering? :)
Everything will get welded completely. When building something like this, the tack welds are used for fitting everything together (easier to correct mistakes and make adjustments). Once you've completely welded something together, correcting a part becomes very hard to do and everything has to work together as one complete unit.
Chris
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Thank you (No Bull) :)
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Like NoBull said, once we are happy that everything is straight and square we will go back and fill in all the seams. We have to be carefull once we start welding all the seams because that will also cause the metal to shrink and expand in different directions so we have to keep checking all the measurements so it remains square. ::thumbup
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that's awesome really great job makes me want to make another chassis ::thumbup
Jaja, I think making the chassis is actually prety easy, the hard work is what comes after ::beers
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Yea I used a terrible band saw that doesn't measure degrees so I didn't care for cutting all the angles in my tubes.
Is the passat similar to the a8 I wonder? for mine I mostly have to transfer everything over, john said the IC will even fit the murcie cover. Need to have a guy program the pcm for me though, haven't heard back about that yet.
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Yea I used a terrible band saw that doesn't measure degrees so I didn't care for cutting all the angles in my tubes.
Is the passat similar to the a8 I wonder? for mine I mostly have to transfer everything over, john said the IC will even fit the murcie cover. Need to have a guy program the pcm for me though, haven't heard back about that yet.
Passat and A8 are very simillar they share the same components. My friend has an A6 and it has the exact same seats as mine.
What is the IC that fits the murci cover?
Here is the little beauty I bought from Copart, it only has 39,000 miles on it. It's allmost a shame to cut it all up :P
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/23084032_2X.jpg)
Engine is super clean, actually the whole car is clean except for that small hit in the front. ::thumbup
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/23084032_7X.jpg)
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The a8's instrument cluster sorry
maybe passats does too unless you want to replicate the murcie's
john said he's also fitting the audi's full a/c with controller and everything under the murcielago dash
Yea it was a shame to rip mine apart, I couldn't find one little scratch anywhere on the exterior.
So.. I'm very bad at keeping things in good condition when I'm pulling them apart.
Yours is nice too, it probably has a lot less miles, I can't even read mine.
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that's awesome really great job makes me want to make another chassis ::thumbup
If you really want to id be interested ::tongue
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The a8's instrument cluster sorry
maybe passats does too unless you want to replicate the murcie's
john said he's also fitting the audi's full a/c with controller and everything under the murcielago dash
Yea it was a shame to rip mine apart, I couldn't find one little scratch anywhere on the exterior.
So.. I'm very bad at keeping things in good condition when I'm pulling them apart.
Yours is nice too, it probably has a lot less miles, I can't even read mine.
I am just going to try and use as many components as possible, including the a/c and everything that is under the dash and console, switches, wiring etc. Luckily this car only had 39,000 miles on it and it runs perfect. I took it to the smog shop yesterday and it passed with no problems
@ usmc_butler – You want to build another one! Sweet, do it. :P
Here is where I am at with my chassis at the moment. I’ll take some pictures of the real thing later on today and upload them tomorrow.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/Chassis3.jpg)
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Remember though I think those side rails are for diablo when they're bent like that I did the same ones I had to change them for mine, correct if I'm wrong
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Remember though I think those side rails are for diablo when they're bent like that I did the same ones I had to change them for mine, correct if I'm wrong
You are right, I am just going to leave them tack welded right now and will change them later when I fit the body. I sent John an email because I need some measurements for the rockers. Thanks for the heads up! ::thumbup
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Here we are at my 3 week mark ::pirate
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01019.jpg)
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nice work pedro looks good
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very nice work
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very nice work
nice work pedro looks good
Thanks for the kind words guys ::thumbup
Ok time for some progress shots!
I made the rockers straight now as it’s supposed to be on the Murcielago this is one of the changes that need to be made to the original chassis plans.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01126.jpg)
Here you can see that we started welding all of the seams
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01127.jpg)
Upper rear control arms I used 1-1/4†tubing instead of the 1-1/8†called for in the plans. It’s very hard to get the 1-1/8†here and it would have been very expensive.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01121.jpg)
Lower rear control arm
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01122.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01123.jpg)
I also had these pieces machined for my front upper control arms. I still have not made those but they should be ready by next week
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01124.jpg)
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Splendid work! ::thumbup
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x2 Very Nice ::headbang that is 10 times better chassis of the original car ::beers
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x2 Very Nice ::headbang that is 10 times better chassis of the original car ::beers
Thanks my friend! I don't know about 10 times better though :P
Splendid work! ::thumbup
Cool man! I want to see more of your chassis and build, don't forget to post more pictures ::salute
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This week I started working on my rear hubs and front spindles. These will be finished by next week and hopefully along with the rest of the suspension.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01128.jpg)
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I had to heat up the corvette spindles in order to install the S-10 hubs, girlfriend wasn’t too happy about it lol :P
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC00922.jpg)
These are the S-10 hubs ready for installation:
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC00925.jpg)
And finished!
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC00926.jpg)
Now I have to install the ball joint.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC00927.jpg)
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Oh wow dude your a freaking genius ::headbang Never thought about heating parts in the oven to make the metal contract! Did you use oven mitts and all?! HAHA ::tongue
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Oh wow dude your a freaking genius ::headbang Never thought about heating parts in the oven to make the metal contract! Did you use oven mitts and all?! HAHA ::tongue
haha!
I had to use my girlfriends and they have flowers and stuff on them :-[ The heat actually makes the metal expand just enough to get the hub onto the spindle ::thumbup
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My rear suspension is almost done, I still have to make and weld the shock mount brackets onto the arms and the frame. I also need to finish my cam bolts but I am having a hard time finding someone to make the adjustment cam ODC-5550 here in Tijuana. I will try and find someone in San Diego this week.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01135.jpg)
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Thought I would share a little tip that I received from jdinner:
Attack the ball joint bore slowly with a 80grit flap wheel on a die grinder. Test often for the fit and it will save you some machine shop fees.
Use loktite when doing the final assembly.
To say the least this worked out excellent and it saved me time and money from having to go to the machine shop again to get this work done, thanks!
I still have to clean and paint the caliper, I just wanted to make sure everything went together well; here are the results:
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/DSC01145.jpg)
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Anybody heard from Autopro? Hasn't been active since December 06, 2012, 11:13:50 AM I've PM'd him once or twice. Hope things are good ::scratch
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He lives in TJ but has a shop in San Diego I have his shop address, I am supposed to be sending him some Gallardo Mufflers.
Ill PM you
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Hey guys I'm back, sorry for being MIA for a while, going to pick this up in the next couple of weeks ::wave ::beers
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Glad you're still alive :)
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::bounce Pedro!! ::bounce ::wave ::salute
Glad your back my friend.
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::bounce Pedro!! ::bounce ::wave ::salute
Glad your back my friend.
Me 2 my friend ::thumbup
::bounce Pedro!! ::bounce ::wave ::salute
Glad your back my friend.
You know it, glad to finally be back ::headbang
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Finally found someone with a water jet to make these pieces that I needed for my suspension. Now I can get back at it next week!
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130327_055134_zpse6039f4f.jpg)
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Could you guys tell me if I have this correct? On the NAERC chassis hardware list it calls for these 1” x 4-1/2” bolts for the front hubs. Now this is the only place I can see that they would go but I am not sure and don’t even know if this is how they are supposed to be installed. Here are some pictures so you can understand better.
Front side of hub:
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130409_172407_zpsa5ac5b56.jpg)
Rear side of hub:
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130409_172258_zps44b64a7d.jpg)
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Since daywilm (on another forum) warned me about the wheel offset on the Murcielago I finally finished checking all my measurements this past weekend. The NAERC wheel track is different than that of the Murcielago so modifications need to be made to the front and rear suspension.
The front has to come in 5cm. (2 inches) and the rear has to come in 7cm. (2-3/4"). Daywilm said he took the rear difference from the hubs and this is what I am also planning to do. Here is a sketch to show the differences in the hubs. The one on the left is the modified one and the one on the right is the original NAERC size, does anybody see a problem with this? I still don’t know how I am going to take out the extra inch on each side of the front so any suggestions are welcome.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/RearHubs_zpscdc1b7f3.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/RearHubs_zpscdc1b7f3.jpg.html)
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I took my calipers apart to clean, paint and install new seals. Just need to go and buy some paint remover and some high-temp paint today. I’m also going to grind off the “Corvette” off the front of the calipers.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130608_152608_zps7ee32a54.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20130608_152608_zps7ee32a54.jpg.html)
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::stop wait a second. I only see three. Are you building a trike? ;D
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Are four required? ::scratch
lol, the other one I am using as a mock-up for the mounting bracket on my rear suspension hub. I need to get the caliper mounting bracket really straight before I weld it onto the hub. Once I am done with that one I will clean it up and paint it also. Don’t want it getting all scratched up in the meantime. ::toothy
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On my C 5 calipets I need to shave a bit the edge so it won't grind the rims .instal and try rims on before painting.
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Thanks for the tip eddie, I checked the fronts and it didn't rub but I'll make sure to check the rears before I paint them ::thumbup
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Now I remember I had shave in angle the ribs on all four. But that's my rims are Diablo reps
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Now I remember I had shave in angle the ribs on all four. But that's my rims are Diablo reps
Maybe that's why, I have OEM Murci rims and they cleared just fine, thanks for looking out eddie.
So a little paint stripper, some wire brush action and they come out pretty clean
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130611_172458_zpsbf391f30.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20130611_172458_zpsbf391f30.jpg.html)
Grind off the "Corvette" logo
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130611_184119_zps519c3fe4.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20130611_184119_zps519c3fe4.jpg.html)
And then spray with some caliper paint.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130611_194543_zps619a1762.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20130611_194543_zps619a1762.jpg.html)
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Looking great! Now I would paint them and stencil the Lamborghini script on them. :)
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Nice work Pedro. I love the color choice.
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Where do you folks buy your tube stock (1/2" etc) as well as 2" square, etc.
What type / quality steel does it need to be for.proper support/welding?
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Where do you folks buy your tube stock (1/2" etc) as well as 2" square, etc.
What type / quality steel does it need to be for.proper support/welding?
You'll want to buy it local. Shipping would be extremely expensive. Try searching google or check the yellow pages.
Most steel suppliers will have the same materials. It's all cold roll steel with a smooth welded seam. You can get higher quality DOM (drawn over mandrel) that won't have the welded seam but it's not necessary.
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Pedro, you did super quality job on this caliper! And I second what Alan said about the color choice! :)
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Since daywilm (on another forum) warned me about the wheel offset on the Murcielago I finally finished checking all my measurements this past weekend. The NAERC wheel track is different than that of the Murcielago so modifications need to be made to the front and rear suspension.
The front has to come in 5cm. (2 inches) and the rear has to come in 7cm. (2-3/4"). Daywilm said he took the rear difference from the hubs and this is what I am also planning to do. Here is a sketch to show the differences in the hubs. The one on the left is the modified one and the one on the right is the original NAERC size, does anybody see a problem with this? I still don’t know how I am going to take out the extra inch on each side of the front so any suggestions are welcome.
([url]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/RearHubs_zpscdc1b7f3.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/RearHubs_zpscdc1b7f3.jpg.html[/url])
As long as they fint inside your rims, they are OK. The only "problem" of using shortened wheel hubs is that they will be stronger than the NAERC ones! ::thumbup
PS: The outer side of the wheel hub (shown on the right side on the drawing above) must be much thicker. I suggest that you either use double thicker plate or combine two ones welded together.
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As long as they fint inside your rims, they are OK. The only "problem" of using shortened wheel hubs is that they will be stronger than the NAERC ones! ::thumbup
PS: The outer side of the wheel hub (shown on the right side on the drawing above) must be much thicker. I suggest that you either use double thicker plate or combine two ones welded together.
Thanks for the suggestions, I am finally re-doing them this week. I will be making them with the new dimensions on the one shown on the left side above. They do have another plate that attaches to the back of the face so you are correct in doubling up on them ::thumbup
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Here is one of the calipers all put together with new seals and hardware.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_181751_zps876cfeeb.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_181804_zps783b41f0.jpg)
I was also playing with these caliper covers but I don't know if I am going to use them yet.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_182148_zpsdedc0ac0.jpg)
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A big thanks goes out to my good friend Big Pines for scoring these for me ::headbang OEM carbon fiber sills.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_184203_zps4da8f9ed.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_184249_zpsb745fe6c.jpg)
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And another big thanks goes out to usmc_butler for saving me $80.00. You are one of the reasons this forum is so great ::beers. He posted the measurements to the license plate light boxes that fit in the rear center grill on his build thread. Today I had a short day so I decided to make one.
Drew up a template but decided to modify it a little bit, the lines in red are additional to the original bracket.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_185525_zpse53d35a9.jpg)
Cut it out and glue it to a piece of sheet metal.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_185907_zps56c6a838.jpg)
Cut it out.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_190846_zps10a47b70.jpg)
Bend it in your trusty metal brake
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_191934_zps87005a06.jpg)
Here it is all bent and the light fitted. I still have to weld the seams and paint it but it fit very well. If anyone need the template let me know and I will send you a PDF of it.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_193143_zps6fe9a217.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_193152_zps6b6eeee4.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20130906_193241_zps0f1b1596.jpg)
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Nice :)
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Good work fellas ::headbang
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And another big thanks goes out to usmc_butler for saving me $80.00. You are one of the reasons this forum is so great ::beers. He posted the measurements to the license plate light boxes that fit in the rear center grill on his build thread. Today I had a short day so I decided to make one.
Drew up a template but decided to modify it a little bit, the lines in red are additional to the original bracket.
Dang way to much praise! Im glad we can all help, you have helped me out as much or more! Im just glad to help and the stuff I post actually gets used... Turned out great BTW!
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I agree with Dustin. You've done more for me than I have for you Pedro. :) It is nice to have a community to rely on. I only wish I had more time and money for this stuff.
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This means a lot to me also guys, I think I'm going to cry :'( LOL
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Don't cry just yet - save that for later. I'm not nearly finished with the favors I plan to ask of you buddy. ;)
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Don't cry just yet - save that for later. I'm not nearly finished with the favors I plan to ask of you buddy. ;)
x2
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Made a little bit of progress on my chassis this past week. We had some rain and didn't get a chance to cover the chassis. Just surface rust that will clean right up.
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Sorry wrong picture above :-[, here are the ones for the chassis:
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Some more from today:
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131108_134802_zps0b4244ce.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131108_134802_zps0b4244ce.jpg.html)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131108_134749_zps9f08058f.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131108_134749_zps9f08058f.jpg.html)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131108_134735_zps3913194f.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131108_134735_zps3913194f.jpg.html)
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The chassis is looking great. Nice work on the fiberglass vent piece too.
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Nice to see your car!
I pictured the console fitting there better for some reason :S looks high up apposed to the seat belt holes. Not sure how the murcie chassis is compared to the diablo but I always thought it was the same in that area ::scratch
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The chassis is looking great. Nice work on the fiberglass vent piece too.
Thanks bud!
Nice to see your car!
I pictured the console fitting there better for some reason :S looks high up apposed to the seat belt holes. Not sure how the murcie chassis is compared to the diablo but I always thought it was the same in that area ::scratch
I'll make it fit one way or the other ;D Truth is I just set it in place. I need to open up the bottom so it slides down. I wanted to work on the chassis this weekend but we just have too many parties to go to ::toothy
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Nice to see your car!
I pictured the console fitting there better for some reason :S looks high up apposed to the seat belt holes. Not sure how the murcie chassis is compared to the diablo but I always thought it was the same in that area ::scratch
I made it fit now Bryan, all I had to do is open up the bottom anti and it fit right in.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131123_124338_zps2b4367cb.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131123_124338_zps2b4367cb.jpg.html)
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I finally got my suspension installed and the wheels put on, feels really good to get to this stage ::bounce. I have more pictures but I will upload those Monday from work, it's a pain to do it on this tablet I have.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131123_125130_zps91763d35.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131123_125130_zps91763d35.jpg.html)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/1786f073-707b-4bd1-b9c2-8f4f9d816ef1_zps162c98c4.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/1786f073-707b-4bd1-b9c2-8f4f9d816ef1_zps162c98c4.jpg.html)
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that's awesome
naerc chassis on it's way to become a murcie
not too often to see that!
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It looks like that toilet plunger fits perfectly in the tunnel in picture 1! ;)
Looks great Pedro! I am really excited to see some body panels mounted. Please send pics of whatever you need to add to the frame to get the body mounted.
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Pedro, finish the chassis first and complete suspension, gas tank, hoses electrical, power train, rads etc.
put the body on loose just to see how the wheels fit , take it off and finish under carriage first. lot less headaches later. so far so good keep up.
Yeah what is the plunger ?? had a big one?? Just joking.
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Man your moving right along now. Looking great :drool
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Pedro any luck with parts?
I drove down to Florida last week and called John, he told me he had nothing for me to pick up on the way back up to ny.
I don't think I will ever get my other half of the car from Watson.
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@ Tallon:
Thanks bud! ::beers
@ Big Pines:
As soon as I start working on mounting the body I’ll post some pictures of the framework. Can’t live without a plunger jajaja… ::tongue
@ eddie:
I really need to get my body mounted before I can continue doing any more work on the chassis. Since the chassis was designed for the Diablo there were several changes I had to make to it including the suspension arms and mounting locations for the Murcielago’s wheel base. I’m only going to “soft” mount the body and then remove it to do all that you suggested. I just want to see how the wheels fit like you said, thanks bro! ::thumbup
The dog put the plunger there LOL, he loves to play with that thing yuk! ::duh
@ SchulzeA
Thanks bud!
@ Onewickedsvt:
I am still waiting for parts for the rear also but at least I can get the front end mounted soon. I share your pain also brother… :'(
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Ok, here are some more that I was not able to upload during the weekend:
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131123_125119_zps4856e66d.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131123_125119_zps4856e66d.jpg.html)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131123_125054_zpsa3832270.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131123_125054_zpsa3832270.jpg.html)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131123_124932_zps0a438427.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131123_124932_zps0a438427.jpg.html)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131123_124921_zpsedd7aeda.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131123_124921_zpsedd7aeda.jpg.html)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131123_120339_zpsfbbe9dd6.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131123_120339_zpsfbbe9dd6.jpg.html)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131123_113540_zps323fc6c9.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131123_113540_zps323fc6c9.jpg.html)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131123_113527_zps0a82f63e.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131123_113527_zps0a82f63e.jpg.html)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131123_113519_zps1b55d6af.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131123_113519_zps1b55d6af.jpg.html)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/energyauto/Lamborghini/20131123_113500_zps42ed98ec.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/energyauto/media/Lamborghini/20131123_113500_zps42ed98ec.jpg.html)
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Yeah bro we ain't getting a darn thing.
I sent him $1000 extra about 4 months ago so he can get "supplies" and get my stuff to me.
No dice. Still nothing. He says he's too busy. Whatever not my problem. Get me my stuff! I offered to stop by and pick it up with about a week and half notice. Still had not a piece ready.
I'm throwing in the towel and calling quits.
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He told me she's been ill in the hospital a couple weeks ago but I didn't think that meant she was having a baby :S
Not to ruin this thread.. those wheels are sick blacked out I don't know why some people don't like the originals
it's hard to find a real murcie with that done other than the DMC car
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I notice you are using C5/C6 spindles. That's what I've chosen to use as well. Did you have to modify the control arms (caster/camber ect)? Or is that what the plans call for?
I like the black wheels too, but the huge rear tires makes my day!
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I notice you are using C5/C6 spindles. That's what I've chosen to use as well. Did you have to modify the control arms (caster/camber ect)? Or is that what the plans call for?
I like the black wheels too, but the huge rear tires makes my day!
I used what the plans call for on the suspension arms, except I made them an inch shorter on each one to compensate for the differences between the Diablo and the Murcielago.
I love the wide tires also!
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I would like to order my coil overs soon and here are some options that I know you guys can help me out with.
I set the ride height of the chassis and the distance from bolt to bolt on the shock mounts was right at 12”. Jdinner once told me that if I had that measurement then I would need coil overs that were 10” compressed and 14” extended.
I found some coil overs and I have some questions so I would like to hear your opinions.
Does it matter if they come with rod ends or with bushings? What is the preference here?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/360817173085?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/360817173085?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hal-aln4855b (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hal-aln4855b)
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hal-ds402/overview/ (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hal-ds402/overview/)
http://www.jegs.com/i/Strange+Engineering/873/S5204/10002/-1 (http://www.jegs.com/i/Strange+Engineering/873/S5204/10002/-1)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-QA1-Adjustable-Aluminum-12-Shock-Coil-Over-Coilover-Kit-No-Spring-/131063994857 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-QA1-Adjustable-Aluminum-12-Shock-Coil-Over-Coilover-Kit-No-Spring-/131063994857)
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I am using a custom tube chassis, and i went with the QA1 coil over setup, what i found was that i get 1" compression for every 1000 pounds combined on the rear, my springs are 250lb.(x4)
so if you have an idea of your weight along with the ride height, it will also help in your choice.
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I am starting a layout of my chassis and seem to have some issue with the tubes lining up on the 9120 from upper assembly. I had to adjust them in order to get them to line up right.... Not sure why I had to do this unless I have something wrong somewhere...
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b627/LP700-4-Roadster/Kit%20build/Chassis%20Build/9120_zpsc0c07c88.jpg) (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/LP700-4-Roadster/media/Kit%20build/Chassis%20Build/9120_zpsc0c07c88.jpg.html)
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Don't worry so much about the exact angles, good welding skills will fix that. The key thing to focus on is the two 35 1/2" and the 26 11/16" measurements. Keep it all flat and centered using a center line while building. BTW, you have the 1280 and 1285 upside down.