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For Sale / Wanted => Original Parts Wanted => Topic started by: usmc_butler on March 21, 2013, 03:21:54 PM
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Im looking to see if anybody is ready to sell there headlight glass they got from Bierhanzel. He is trying to find a set for me as well, I just figured I'd put this out there maybe somebody is needing some extra money right now ::toothy
Thanks,
Dustin
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I need a set too.
Thanks alot
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I finally located a set since Bierhanzel cannot get anymore. :'( I should have stocked up when I had a chance these things are worth there weight in gold right now :(. Good luck Jaycurb ::wave
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I can make the Bierhanzel lenses identical but in plexi for anyone interested.
-Jayso
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We have a manufacture doing molds as I post this for the head lights lenses, these will be available by May 21st if you are interested we will be taking orders, price is 350.00 per set and the molds were done from the same lenses, drop me a line if you are interested..They will be GLASS
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I can make the Bierhanzel lenses identical but in plexi for anyone interested.
-Jayso
How much will you sell them for and do you have a pic of your lenses.....
Thanks, Mitch
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$250 for the first set, price may go up afterwards. Here's the link to my lenses:
http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=358.0 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=358.0)
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Hello all member!!!! Goood news. Next month i have another lenses! ::thumbup ::wave
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Hello all member!!!! Goood news. Next month i have another lenses! ::thumbup ::wave
How many can you get?
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Anymore glass lenses for sale?
I have OEM splashed headlight buckets coming so I know these glass lenses will work with my new buckets?
Anyone interested in selling a set that they are not using now?
Thanks,
Chis
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Hey dustin -
Do you mean his plexi ones? (or did he end up making glass ones also)?
I bought the plexi ones and would sell them at my cost, if I can get buckets and lenses that match for my G28 from Inland Exotics
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He had plexi lenses? We bought his glass ones awhile back, didn't think he had plexi, if so they're newer?
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No he cant get anymore as of now..... :'( if so I'd be buying every set he can get his hands on ::toothy
And Pkovgolf they are OEM glass not lexan ::thumbup
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FGP is selling a plastic set molded from the original glass units for $240 USD.
http://www.fiberglassproducts.de/ (http://www.fiberglassproducts.de/)
I've not seen a set of these yet but they said they are just like OEM but in plastic instead. I did order a OEM splashed quarter panel from them a couple of months ago and it was a pretty nice part and was delivered as promised.
I'm holding out for a glass set however these plastic parts might be the only option left if you want OEM sized and shaped lenses.
Thanks,
Chris
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These still available??
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I don't know how I missed that post about plastic headlight lenses molded from the originals. I looked on FGP's site and didn't see them. I'll send them an e-mail to see if I can get more details. I have looked into manufacturing glass lenses but so far, the tooling/molds are just too expensive to make it work. I don't know what the demand would be but I am guessing I could only sell 10 or so pair if I got this going. That makes it tough to get the cost down but I am still looking into it.
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actually even though I have glass lenses I've been thinking I'd rather them in plastic because I'm terrified of them breaking. Just setting them down got tiny chips in them, only the bottom but still..
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Well, if you ever decide you want to unload yours, I'm sure you won't have a problem finding a buyer. :)
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I agree with tallon....
On another note I have a invester that is willing to front the money for the mold setup fees and I am willing to pull my glass from my buckets if necessary. I've talked with Bull about a local company to him that my be able to copy them. I'm still trying to work out the details.
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So you are both saying you don't want glass now? Why have glass produced then? ::scratch
It sounds like the OEM glass may be tempered. Yes?
I would be interested to know the process which your local company is proposing to use to make these lenses. I have done quite a bit of research on this during the last few weeks. I know bubbles can get in the glass if they aren't done the right way. I believe there are two basic methods of getting these done without bubbles: 1) Slumped glass which is cheaper and lower quality 2) Press molding which is more expensive but higher quality. Based on images I have seen, it appears Lamborghini used press molding but I am not 100% certain of this. I believe there are only a handful of companies in the U.S. that can do the press molding for an item as large as these lenses. I have found three that say they can do them for me. One of them is a manufacturer of aircraft light lenses that is willing to do a small run. This company typically makes their lenses from borosilicate (heat resistant laboratory grade) glass. I have access to some OEM lenses I was planning to use to get an accurate estimate from these companies.
Please keep us up to date on the status of your project because I certainly don't want to waste money and time reinventing the wheel if yours is going to go forward.
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I just heard back from FGP. It doesn't look like their lenses are cast copies from OEM parts to me (see attached image). They appear to be thinner and vacuum formed (possibly from an OEM shaped buck). The price I was quoted was $330 USD a pair including shipping to L.A.
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Not bad! I would be willing to check them out..
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Looks good to me.. all the 'fanciness' of the sides on the glass ones isn't necessary anyway
I wouldn't have thought our glass was tempered idk is it supposed to chip so easily? I didn't figure I didn't want glass until I held them in my hands. Very heavy and if you easily dropped it that would be a lot of $ gone :( Of course they'll be in the car... eventually.
There are a couple very tiny bubbles in my lenses, no one would notice though I don't think
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Interesting observations Tallon.
Yes, when glass chips very easily on the edges, it may be a sign that it has been tempered. Tempered glass is cooled in a way that retains a lot of tension in the molecules. This causes it to be much stronger on the surface (and of course safer when it breaks) but the side effect is it doesn't like impacts on the edges. So when the smallest crack occurs on the edge, it spreads quickly. Sometimes, even striking it on a small grain of sand will cause chips but larger impacts may cause catastrophic failure (crazing into tiny round pieces - like on windows of automobiles). My guess is the factory glass is tempered but it is tough to tell. Does anyone have a picture of a broken lens? That should confirm the suspicion.
The fact that you are seeing some tiny bubbles in factory glass could be a clue about how it was manufactured. Maybe this glass was not press molded as I originally thought. Very interesting.
EDIT: I just had another thought. I was just wondering why Lamborghini, who is obsessed with saving weight on their cars, would use heavy glass headlight lenses when they could have used plastic. Perhaps one reason is they were worried about heat from the Xenon projectors warping/distorting them?
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I don't know if our glass is made from the same factory as the oem glass I thought it was just copied from oem.
jeez I hope the little nicks don't spread like that
thats what I thought about the weight too, they are pretty heavy for lenses
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OK, now things are starting to make more sense. So the glass that Bierhanzel sold may not have been OEM glass? I was under the impression it was. Does anyone know for sure the source of that glass? Bierhanzel?
I don't think your little chips will spread like that. I think they would have already done that if they were going to.
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I think pic one is proof that OEM glass was not tempered.
EDIT: Pic two is an OEM light and pic three is what I believe to be one of Bierhanzel's glass. If someone could confirm pic three that would be great. Notice the edges. I don't believe pic two and three are the same lens so three must not be OEM. pic two actually looks a lot closer to FGP's plastic ones than the glass one in pic three.
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We could make a silicone mold of someone's lenses and use this possibly.
http://www.smooth-on.com/Urethane-Plastic-a/c5_1120_1156/index.html (http://www.smooth-on.com/Urethane-Plastic-a/c5_1120_1156/index.html)
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Yep, I had thought of that too but I'd personally rather have glass.
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Hello .... Glass lenses from me were original made for Hella!
Newly'm trying to produce quality molds. However, it is a huge problem. Investing in molds about 21.000,- USD and no one can guarantee that the very first molds will be good ....
This is true throughout the story .... Please, no more bullshit ...
I will continue to strive to manufacture, but as I said it is not easy. I will continue to strive for sale here for members Lamboclone "human reasonable prices" .... Original Lamborghini users are able to pay 2x to 3x a more!
Good luck to your work Bierhanzel ::thumbup ::LAMBO
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I knew they were perfect lenses just didn't know who the manufacturer was and the process they were made :\
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Nothing happens. Throw it behind us ::bounce
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Hello .... Glass lenses from me were original made for Hella!
Newly'm trying to produce quality molds. However, it is a huge problem. Investing in molds about 21.000,- USD and no one can guarantee that the very first molds will be good ....
This is true throughout the story .... Please, no more bullshit ...
I will continue to strive to manufacture, but as I said it is not easy. I will continue to strive for sale here for members Lamboclone "human reasonable prices" .... Original Lamborghini users are able to pay 2x to 3x a more!
Good luck to your work Bierhanzel ::thumbup ::LAMBO
Why $21,000 for molds that might not be perfect and then produce a product that might shatter? I would like to have an alternative to my plastic lenses too.
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Hmmm...I am puzzled by the defensive response bierhanzel. Since when is honest investigating and asking questions to find the facts considered bullshit? Maybe this is just a language translation problem and I have misunderstood. Either way, the pictures don't lie. The glass in the last two pictures of my previous post do not appear to be identical to me. The corners look more round in pic three, the color looks like it may be different and the edge is definitely thicker in pic three. One thing that has yet to be answered is if pic three is of glass sold by you. Could you please confirm or deny?
I was personally quoted $2,500 for molds and I can tell you they would be perfect or I simply wouldn't pay. The problem with that quote was it was a minimum of 100 pieces and I don't believe there is currently that much demand. I will probably start with plastic lenses and then try to get some OEM spec glass ones at some point. With so many people trying to come up with a glass solution, we should have some good alternatives in the future.
For anyone else interested, I asked for clarification from FGP. They confirmed their lenses are PETG vacuum formed and OEM size.
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I don't think Bierhanzel meant it to sound like that. He's an extremely nice person, just isn't the best at English and sometimes uses a translator I'm thinking but I've never had too much of a problem with understanding him.
Actually I'm grateful to have the glass lens and to use them, it's always nice to have a backup plan though.
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I'm sure bierhanzel is a nice guy. I just didn't understand the BS comment. We are all just trying to understand what is going on here. No worries.
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I have seen genuine OEM glass lense for sale brand new with Hella box for sale on Ebay in France last year
I did ask about the item he said a friend bought a pair new but only needed one so he was selling the other, nothing else really was mentioned he was asking $700 for the one.
but deff HELLA made.
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Wow, I would have LOVED to win that auction!
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they didn't sell first time was relisted twice ( but only one side ) trying to find seller on my ebay could be Safrane
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Ah, just one side. That makes more sense. :)
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I bought one of the very first sets of headlight glass from bierhanzel, they are as real as i can find compared to any OEM lamp i have looked at.
they are a strange glass though, i am thinking they are not tempered in any way, as when i made moulds of the glass, areas that had exposure stuck to my material and when i separated them the glass flaked off... so, not borosilicate and not tempered, they also have cold flow patterns in them suggesting temperature issues when pressed... as they also have seams along the edges...
i would suggest injection moulding of UV protected poly carbonate... i have also been looking into this, but until i have a new part in my hand i will continue searching.
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That sucks! I got blobs of epoxy on mine while making sides for my buckets but luckily it came off with some effort
Even pried with much force getting the buckets off, no break
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Yes is very unfortunate. :( What material were you using to mold them?
Your glass looks different than the glass in my pic three. I am starting to think the pics I found are in fact not glass sold by bierhanzel.
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Hello. My problem is actually in the the translator. However, I expressed what I might like. English words are totally foreign to me. The Czech language has many words and expressions, or we have many words for the matter concerned :-) If anyone of you controls the Czech or German language can carry conversation in that direction :-D
Mentioned glass from Ebay-France are also purchased from me. :-) a small world
Price 21,000 usd is really ridiculous. We try to arrange the production of cheaper forms. It's not easy to make a say. Too big plane and must shiny. So it is a huge need for a two-part piece polished stainless steel molds! Therefore, we try to make a style lying down. But then again, nobody can guarantee you that the first attempt will be good. -)
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Thanks bierhanzel. I understand we don't speak each other's language and the translators aren't very good. When you think about it, it is really amazing that we can communicate at all! Thank you for making the effort. I will be interested to hear what you are able to come up with on new lenses.
Last I heard you had two left lenses or something and were missing a right. Do you still have one extra lens you would like to sell? If so, I may be interested in it.