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The Forum => Lessons Learned - Advice to Newbies => Topic started by: mogoes49 on March 31, 2013, 01:18:08 PM
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hello I'm doing my first build on a fiero.
starting it from scratch have a shop that's gonna basically build it for me. gonna bring them all the parts once i have them since i don't have the knowledge to do my self anyways.I'm turning to you guys for help so what parts do i need in regarding to this build as far as Murcielago Build.
starting with like ABS. Tilt Wheel. AC. Cruise Control. Power Steering. Windshield Wiper. Functional Gauges. And many other things you might want to add to a Fiero wide tarck suspension whats size rims and tires that i can fit wit on this and exhaust and what size engine and trans i can fit in the fiero i want to have close to 700hp and with the big brake kit and lighting and so on please help so i can start buying the parts little by little as i go till its ready to be built thanks a million ::bounce
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Start with obtaining the body and wheels first. The two choices for a Murci are between a G28 and a JW kit. You have to know what body you're going with first b/c the donor needs to be stretched to the proper wheelbase. A G28 has a 104" WB & my kit has a 105" WB.
As far as the wheels go, I think "Swif" has a good deal on a set of Hermaras.
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Question #1
- How much are you expecting to spend on a quality build that a shop will be performing all the work?
Realistically, on a Fiero chassis you should be budgeting around $50,000 - $70,000 USD (depending on options and how many OEM parts you will be using) or plan on $75,000 - $100,000 USD if you are planning on using a custom chassis or loading up on the options.
Every build on this website is unique and I would urge you to go thru the build diaries and read up on the different options that everyone is or are planning on using.
Chris
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yes as chris said its numbers afterall. I don't know which fiero models are the better ones for this type of mod if that makes a difference between the 4cyl and the 6cyl fiero models. what are the common power train swaps, engine, transmission, transaxle, and best wider suspension options and things like newer steering column. After that things like windshield wiper mechanism, larger brakes, options like power steering, abs, ac etc.
I dont know if there is a guide on the forum with this info but seems like where one can start... of course read the other fiero builds too
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Firstly, you did state "perfect Murcielago" and then you said Fiero. An OEM close Murcie will just have to have a custom chassis. This will give you a little more room in the cab. A custom chassis can be fitted with Corvette C-6 brakes. I would drop the ABS. With a custom chassis you will be more able to handle a high hp engine setup with an audi transaxle. Vintage AC/heater unit. Just for starters. This "hobby" is expen$ive. Jim
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im gonna email my shop im going through to see how much they would charge me for a custom Tubular chassis im gonna go with the jw kit i want a hand layed kit since being that is the closest to the oem as you can get i have about close to 50k to work with as of now but over all i dont want to spend more then 75k. i was focus on getting the fiero cuz that would be way cheaper then a custom tubular chassis in less you guys know of some one who builds the chassis strictly for the kit cars that doesn't scam people let me know i know this project wont be cheap and i know its not gonna happen over nite but the cheaper i can find the parts and get this done the better i wish their was a list on parts in order on how to build one of these :) if any one on here has the brain power and time to try to put on together list by category would be awesome a one stop shop lol but i know every car is build differently well this should be one hell of a ride trying to build but its not impossible
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http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/general-kitcar-chat/11365-g28-build-part-s-including-glass.html (http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/general-kitcar-chat/11365-g28-build-part-s-including-glass.html)
is the closest thing to a list for a g28 but there's too many to list, sometimes parts have to be hand made yourself unless you want to spend all your money on oem parts.
Parts are not the same for jw kit and not many will be able to make a list for it since none were completed yet and it'll cost a lot more I'm sure
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just buy the one thats on ebay, 25K already built and you can drive it the next day. and if you have to make a few changes it won't cost you a fortune
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Replica-Kit-Makes-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Black-/271179994950?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f23965746 (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Replica-Kit-Makes-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Black-/271179994950?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f23965746)
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Here we go again with the tube chassis not being cost effective without ever attempting to build one or the other ::)
putting expensive parts on a fiero wouldn't be cost effective either but that doesn't mean you have to do it that way...?
We use vette brakes on tube chassis' just like the fiero owners do...
I'd say buy the black one for 25k, plenty of room to fix it up
few hundred for an oem style bumper, redo interior and it'll look good i think
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Firstly, you did state "perfect Murcielago" and then you said Fiero. An OEM close Murcie will just have to have a custom chassis. This will give you a little more room in the cab. A custom chassis can be fitted with Corvette C-6 brakes. I would drop the ABS. With a custom chassis you will be more able to handle a high hp engine setup with an audi transaxle. Vintage AC/heater unit. Just for starters. This "hobby" is expen$ive. Jim
That's not true. I sat in Murcie-Me's car and it was comfortable enough to drive across country in it if I wanted to. He also had Corvette Brakes on his car with a built engine. Sure 190hp isn't much but really you don't need 500hp to be satisfied with a car like that. All a Tube chassis, V8 and so on is gonna do is rise the cost of the build to OEM price range and by then you might as well should consider buying a real used gallardo.... I don't understand why people suggest tube chassis. There comes a point and time with these cars where once you get to deep it no longer is cost effective to build one.
To the OP bottom line is your budget will determine how "Perfect" your build will be. Figure out what do you want to use the car and go from there. If all you want is the looks consider buying a Mercy 2 from CKI and doing some body work. Get a Fiero with a swapped V6 engine and you should be on your way to a decent car. If not search Ebay for a project. There's plenty of them. You really don't need 700hp from a Fiero to be fast. a 3800 S/C swap will take care of your performance needs. Especially for a Fiero based car.
I think you are missing the point... Mike has over $60,000 in his build and he did most of the work himself. This could translate into $80,000 - $90,000 if you are paying someone to do the work in a shop and this was the point I was trying to make.
If you are happy with an original Fiero drive train, then use a Fiero, however the member that started this thread said he wanted an upgraded drivetrain and other mechanicals.
After spending countless hours and a lot of money on materials modifying a Fiero frame to accommodate a different engine, transmission, rear mounted radiators, body mounts and building in some structural supports for safety, I will tell anyone thinking of building a car to consider a custom or OEM frame (depending on body type) over a Fiero. In the long run it can save both money and time and also lead to a better end product underneath the body.
The Fiero has proven to be an awesome and reliable donor but when the builder is expecting to add different engine and transmission combinations and build the car to closer to OEM spec's underneath the body, there is a point of diminishing returns and using a custom frame makes more sense both financially and practically.
I would (and will) go the route of a custom frame the next time around. 8)
Chris
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::beers ::rocker ::headbang ::headbang ::bounce
Let's drop the 700hp idea, and the OEM look. How about you get a G28 and make the BEST G28 kit possible that a $40K will do. You can't do better than BEST ::toothy Also, When do you want to drive this thing? Next year or Next month?
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>:( Big scary budget busting v8's!!!! Ahhhh >:(
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Didn't we just do this about 6 weeks ago. If we start at the top and work down, we end up with a Fiero chassis. If we start at the bottom and work up, we end up with a custom. Then Mr. Budget gets involved and BOOOM!!! If you like to dream, then dream. If you want to set goals, then set goals. If you want near perfect looks, correct exhaust sound, excellent performance, then go to the dealer. Set your budget. Take the estimate road to custom chassis, leather, engine, etc and hit the "Total" key. Then take the Fiero/MR2/Other road and see how that figures up for you. It's your ride. How fast or how long the road goes is limited sometimes. Have fun. Jim
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you know VF1 you are correct why spend 80, 90 k on a fake anything, maybe it has more to do with something that someone likes or loves to do, I can tell 100,000% if I knew I would have near what I have in my 640 build I would have bought a real OEM car and more so to have the car now to enjoy, I built this car with my son to do a project with him before he leaves for college, the biggest issue I see is there is allot of JUNK out there, allot of these guys see a high price on an OEM part and they start seeing dollar signs and then do a poor job of replicating it and then wonder why people won't buy. When you start talking about 700 HP there is allot more issues then just getting that HP of a motor, then you have to think about trans axle, half shafts, clutches that can handle the torque not the HP so obtaining that type of performance is probably going to cost more then the project in general, 500 to 575 is more realistic and then your are starting to stretch it a bit, by no means do I want to discourage anyones dream to obtain the best that can be done but I do agree it comes to a point of getting out of hand.
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Why spend the money on a replica?- Because I want to build my car. It's the type of thing I love to do.
Why not buy a diablo?- I don't want a Diablo.
Why 700hp- Why buy a camaro if your not going to race it? Buy a yaris.
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my thing is i want a very fast car if im gonna replicate a lambo it better be fast as one at least close whats the point having a murci that only goes 300hp and get smoked by m5 ::tongue i know its way lighter but still i just want a fast car maybe not 700 the more i think about dont want to kill my self either maybe something around 500-600 hp is more reasonable still scary fast this guy dean just drop a crate in to a vendetta thats putting out over 650hp its a beast but my plans are changing a bit i want the aventador bad i know their is a kit now but their are no parts yet no lights no grills yet its gonne be a while for those to come up so im lowering my budget to the murci now for i dont want to spend over 45k on this build what will that get me not sure gonna just try to get the best deals i can find and make it work its gonna be hard
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A Audi transaxle won't handle the big HP. Count out a big portion of your budget of you plan on going with a transaxle set up. I've seen some aftermarket transaxles that will handle the power but they are $12k +. Not to be discouraging, just sayin.
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The new Vendetta looks great! A brand new one is cheaper than a 10 year old gallardo! For $60K I'd take it any day.
On the other hand, I've seen a civic that smokes an M5 - it's just a matter of hp to weight ratio. When the Murci 580 came out it was over 4500 lb. I dunno - it'd be nice to know - what's the average weight on a replica Murci with a 350 sort of conversion on a Fiero!
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my thing is i want a very fast car if im gonna replicate a lambo it better be fast as one at least close whats the point having a murci that only goes 300hp and get smoked by m5 ::tongue i know its way lighter but still i just want a fast car maybe not 700 the more i think about dont want to kill my self either maybe something around 500-600 hp is more reasonable still scary fast this guy dean just drop a crate in to a vendetta thats putting out over 650hp its a beast but my plans are changing a bit i want the aventador bad i know their is a kit now but their are no parts yet no lights no grills yet its gonne be a while for those to come up so im lowering my budget to the murci now for i dont want to spend over 45k on this build what will that get me not sure gonna just try to get the best deals i can find and make it work its gonna be hard
Just get a completed murci off eBay for $25-30k and do whatever minor tweaks are needed to make it your own
You are not going to build a decent one from scratch for less.
As regarding safety, you'd be nuts to have that much power in a kit car. You will kill yourself if you try driving a kit car like a m5 . There is no factory designed side impact protection , no airbags , the bumpers are just fiberglass shells, the doors are just fiberglass shells , and the crumple zones have been altered. The wheels usually have spacers that are known to fail with high Hp , as do axle shafts and other parts when you start going over 300hp.
Kit cars are not safe cars, they are the most unsafe cars on the Road. They are certainly not the right car for fast or high performance driving. They are for looks.
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I agree with tusabes regarding safety (You can make it somewhat safer than just fiberglass on top of nothing but still not for driving it crazy).
I don't have a catalog for everything u need for the build but here are all the lights and grills OEM
Here is my Murcielago OEM Light Set Full Exterior (2 Plate, 2 Tail, 1 3rd. Brake, 4 Markers).
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=155577697941965&set=pb.146782348821500.-2207520000.1364928351&type=3&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=155577697941965&set=pb.146782348821500.-2207520000.1364928351&type=3&theater)
And if you decide to build a roadster, here is my OEM Grill Set Full Exterior
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=155577884608613&set=pb.146782348821500.-2207520000.1364928351&type=3&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=155577884608613&set=pb.146782348821500.-2207520000.1364928351&type=3&theater)
And here is my Kit
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=146784622154606&set=pb.146782348821500.-2207520000.1364928351&type=3&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=146784622154606&set=pb.146782348821500.-2207520000.1364928351&type=3&theater)
I have all the part numbers on my reciepts for these things that I bought (: lemme know if you need info.
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As regarding safety, you'd be nuts to have that much power in a kit car. You will kill yourself if you try driving a kit car like a m5 . There is no factory designed side impact protection , no airbags , the bumpers are just fiberglass shells, the doors are just fiberglass shells , and the crumple zones have been altered. The wheels usually have spacers that are known to fail with high Hp , as do axle shafts and other parts when you start going over 300hp.
Kit cars are not safe cars, they are the most unsafe cars on the Road. They are certainly not the right car for fast or high performance driving. They are for looks.
Hafta dissagree with you there. You can make a replica as safe or safer than the OE equivalent by incorporating all of the things that you mentioned. I know that mine should exceed the OE in handling and crashworthiness, that was my motivation for not using a donor, even though the same can be done to make them safer. Look at RT's build, he basically took the fiero tub and built a tube chassis around it.
Besides a propperly built replica only uses the FG to move the air out of the way and to keep your stuff dry when it rains :}
see
(http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/nascar-frame.jpg)
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I don't want to get in a debate , but that chassis you posted has no relation to a murci kit car. That is a full roll cage with no door opening !!!
. That's a track car cage. It does not relate to a lambo build at all .
No murci build I've seen has a full roll cage , or airbags, or real bumpers , or manufacturer-level safety door beams .
You can talk about how safe your build "will be" but as of now I'm only going by finished cars . My own and the others I've seen . I have a completed kit and acknowledge these cars aren't safe. When yours is complete you can show us the safety features
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A Audi transaxle won't handle the big HP. Count out a big portion of your budget of you plan on going with a transaxle set up. I've seen some aftermarket transaxles that will handle the power but they are $12k +. Not to be discouraging, just sayin.
The Audi 01E can be built to take well over 500 HP for alot less than $12K.
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A Audi transaxle won't handle the big HP. Count out a big portion of your budget of you plan on going with a transaxle set up. I've seen some aftermarket transaxles that will handle the power but they are $12k +. Not to be discouraging, just sayin.
The Audi 01E can be built to take well over 500 HP for alot less than $12K.
What do the upgrades include? Shift forks, bearings? I couldn't find many upgrades in the past when I researched the transaxles. How do they hold up to drag launches with 345's gripping the pavement? I'm not going the transaxle route but it could be useful to others to share your research.
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You can by a great set on replica LP640 wheels in gloss black or silver. I know the person that has them at a great price. ::headbang
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so after hearing back and forth what would be the ideal build budget how far must i take it a question only i can answer lol i just want oem exterior close to oem in side and 5-600 hp if the hp is whats gonna make this budget it nutts if i was to put 4-500hp would that simplify things or bit or not really i was looking at the ls crates thinking maybe a LS3 6.2L Gen IV 376ci Engine what you guys think of that drop that in to a fiero i think i would be content with that cheaper and less so fast and save more money let me know what you think
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i think for wheels im gonna go with some lexani's or asanti's i want staggered whats the biggest wheels i can fit on jw kit does any one know iv seen a murci fronts 20.9 and rear 22.12 im not sure what murci kit he had looked real nice if i can fit that and still be low to the ground then i want that set up if not then i want 19s in the front and 20 in the rear but now at days seems small but i dont want to through off the car tho but i also dont like having a fat gaps between my wheel base and tires that just me im young dude some older cats dont like that bigger rims usually lol
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A Audi transaxle won't handle the big HP. Count out a big portion of your budget of you plan on going with a transaxle set up. I've seen some aftermarket transaxles that will handle the power but they are $12k +. Not to be discouraging, just sayin.
The Audi 01E can be built to take well over 500 HP for alot less than $12K.
What do the upgrades include? Shift forks, bearings? I couldn't find many upgrades in the past when I researched the transaxles. How do they hold up to drag launches with 345's gripping the pavement? I'm not going the transaxle route but it could be useful to others to share your research.
Drag race starts will be hard on any transaxle so I wouldn't count on doing much of that with anything that is remotely affordable. Contact Scott at Advanced Automotion for information about the 01E and the upgrades that he offers.
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A Audi transaxle won't handle the big HP. Count out a big portion of your budget of you plan on going with a transaxle set up. I've seen some aftermarket transaxles that will handle the power but they are $12k +. Not to be discouraging, just sayin.
The Audi 01E can be built to take well over 500 HP for alot less than $12K.
What do the upgrades include? Shift forks, bearings? I couldn't find many upgrades in the past when I researched the transaxles. How do they hold up to drag launches with 345's gripping the pavement? I'm not going the transaxle route but it could be useful to others to share your research.
Drag race starts will be hard on any transaxle so I wouldn't count on doing much of that with anything that is remotely affordable. Contact Scott at Advanced Automotion for information about the 01E and the upgrades that he offers.
thanks man ill hit him up hope he can help out thanks
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i think for wheels im gonna go with some lexani's or asanti's i want staggered whats the biggest wheels i can fit on jw kit does any one know iv seen a murci fronts 20.9 and rear 22.12 im not sure what murci kit he had looked real nice if i can fit that and still be low to the ground then i want that set up if not then i want 19s in the front and 20 in the rear but now at days seems small but i dont want to through off the car tho but i also dont like having a fat gaps between my wheel base and tires that just me im young dude some older cats dont like that bigger rims usually lol
How young are you?
A lot of your comments seem totally unrealistic .
You also said you need someone to build it for you too right?
I don't think you'll find any builder to build anything near what you want for the price you want
And the worst part is that there are shady characters in this industry who will tell you they CAN build what you want for $50k, but in reality they will just steal your money and leave your dreams shattered, I've seen it over and over
I still say just buy a finished car for $24-35k , enjoy it a while , see how you really like driving kit cars, and then do a drivetrain swap if you want more power.
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That was a long sentence...
Surprised you haven't bought the black one on ebay yet
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I think for wheels I'm gonna go with some lexani's or asanti's. I want staggered. What's the biggest wheels I can fit on jw kit? Does any one know? I've seen a murci fronts 20.9 and rear 22.12. I'm not sure what murci kit he had. Looked real nice if I can fit that and still be low to the ground. Then I want that set up, if not then I want 19s in the front and 20 in the rear but now at days seems small. But I dont want to through off the car tho, but I also dont like having a fat gaps between my wheel base and tires. That just me, im young dude, some older cats don't like that bigger rims usually lol
I threw a couple periods in there... ::thumbup
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I don't want to get in a debate , but that chassis you posted has no relation to a murci kit car. That is a full roll cage with no door opening !!!
. That's a track car cage. It does not relate to a lambo build at all .
No murci build I've seen has a full roll cage , or airbags, or real bumpers , or manufacturer-level safety door beams .
You can talk about how safe your build "will be" but as of now I'm only going by finished cars . My own and the others I've seen . I have a completed kit and acknowledge these cars aren't safe. When yours is complete you can show us the safety features
Tusabes, where do you have your build diary posted to that we can see how safe your build is? Thanks Jim
I also think that this post is NOT a build diary. Maybe we could have a catagory called "DREAM DIARY" or "yes it is, no it isn't, yes it is too, it never was, was too, no way" diary.
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I'm not trying to discourage anybody from doing whatever they wanna do with their money. But you'd have agree with me that there does come a point where building a replica no longer is cost effective and buying a real exotic makes more sense.
lmao omfg how many times are you going to say that?
Not sure what you have against custom chassis' or v8 engines but cost has nothing to do with it.
You do discourage... all the time.
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Even if you spend almost as much to build one as to buy an original the long term cost of a replica has to be cheaper. I suspect that insurance, tags, and maintenance on a replica are cheaper than on the original. Plus you have the satisfaction of having built it yourself.
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I don't want to get in a debate , but that chassis you posted has no relation to a murci kit car. That is a full roll cage with no door opening !!!
. That's a track car cage. It does not relate to a lambo build at all .
No murci build I've seen has a full roll cage , or airbags, or real bumpers , or manufacturer-level safety door beams .
You can talk about how safe your build "will be" but as of now I'm only going by finished cars . My own and the others I've seen . I have a completed kit and acknowledge these cars aren't safe. When yours is complete you can show us the safety features
Tusabes, where do you have your build diary posted to that we can see how safe your build is? Thanks Jim
I also think that this post is NOT a build diary. Maybe we could have a catagory called "DREAM DIARY" or "yes it is, no it isn't, yes it is too, it never was, was too, no way" diary.
I bought my replica after it was already built by the prior owner. Which Is what op needs to do if he wants to come in under $50k
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I'm not trying to discourage anybody from doing whatever they wanna do with their money. But you'd have agree with me that there does come a point where building a replica no longer is cost effective and buying a real exotic makes more sense.
lmao omfg how many times are you going to say that?
Not sure what you have against custom chassis' or v8 engines but cost has nothing to do with it.
You do discourage... all the time.
And I have every reason when a tube chassis build suprasses the price of an OEM car while a V8 in a Fiero is slow....
Cool thanks for the very detailed explanation! ::thumbup
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yeah i thought about buying a kit car already built but the descent ones iv seen they ask for a lot and i would have to change a lot on the car to get it how i want it still.i guess it depends on what kit is on the car most ones iv seen lately have the kitcarinc kit witch i don't like the shell thing you can tell that the body looks cheep not trying to a fend any one who has one. more then what i got at this moment.i want the hand layed oem im afraid to buy one of the kitcarinc ones and be disappointed.
im gonna keep doing some more research before i start spending.iv seen the one on ebay not sure yet for one for me i do not like cadillac i know a lot of people that had have them and they are not reliable and he has a cadilac engine in it so....
i would have to swap that out also redo the whole dash and console not feeling it so i would have to punch some numbers see what my best options are. its alot of money have to be smart about it. as for the people who keep talking about the 700hp not doing that no more i get it.had trouble remembering how lite the fiero is only reason i was going for that is because the dude at rtr exotics was gonna sell me that so it stuck to me its hard for me to see more were you guys are coming from iv never been in a kit car and dont know any one who has one so my point of view is different from most of you guys im trying to learn from you guys ::salute
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That is a carkitinc body
I thought that was a reliable engine for cadillac, why not replace it when it becomes unreliable or down the road if you're really that unhappy with it
I don't think they're asking a lot for 25k it won't cost a fortune to redo it
but building a jw kit probably will, and who would you get to do it, where would you get the interior? requires oem glass and door parts, etc.
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I don't want to get in a debate , but that chassis you posted has no relation to a murci kit car. That is a full roll cage with no door opening !!!
. That's a track car cage. It does not relate to a lambo build at all .
No murci build I've seen has a full roll cage , or airbags, or real bumpers , or manufacturer-level safety door beams .
You can talk about how safe your build "will be" but as of now I'm only going by finished cars . My own and the others I've seen . I have a completed kit and acknowledge these cars aren't safe. When yours is complete you can show us the safety features
Actually if you come to Carlisle you will see mine in all of its metallic glory, you are right that is a race car but the point is that because YOU decided NOT to incorporate any saftey into your design does not inherently make replicas less safe than any OE build.
The car shown is a NASCAR chassis and was picked to show how over the top you can go. In my car I have 1.25 X .120 DOM tubing for intrusion beams and front and rear crumple zones. So I can say what is in MY car.
but wait it isnt a Murci.... ::duh
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A Audi transaxle won't handle the big HP. Count out a big portion of your budget of you plan on going with a transaxle set up. I've seen some aftermarket transaxles that will handle the power but they are $12k +. Not to be discouraging, just sayin.
The Audi 01E can be built to take well over 500 HP for alot less than $12K.
What do the upgrades include? Shift forks, bearings? I couldn't find many upgrades in the past when I researched the transaxles. How do they hold up to drag launches with 345's gripping the pavement? I'm not going the transaxle route but it could be useful to others to share your research.
You are right drag starts are very hard on transaxles but here is a company that has spent some time on the 01E
http://www.vsmotor.no/vm608-3.html (http://www.vsmotor.no/vm608-3.html)
I dont know if Scott has delt with them but I know that he has seen some nearly 1000hp builds in his day
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A Audi transaxle won't handle the big HP. Count out a big portion of your budget of you plan on going with a transaxle set up. I've seen some aftermarket transaxles that will handle the power but they are $12k +. Not to be discouraging, just sayin.
The Audi 01E can be built to take well over 500 HP for alot less than $12K.
What do the upgrades include? Shift forks, bearings? I couldn't find many upgrades in the past when I researched the transaxles. How do they hold up to drag launches with 345's gripping the pavement? I'm not going the transaxle route but it could be useful to others to share your research.
You are right drag starts are very hard on transaxles but here is a company that has spent some time on the 01E
[url]http://www.vsmotor.no/vm608-3.html[/url] ([url]http://www.vsmotor.no/vm608-3.html[/url])
I dont know if Scott has delt with them but I know that he has seen some nearly 1000hp builds in his day
thank you sir for your input that's gonna help things out a bit if i do the engine swap :)
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has any one bought from this guy in the uk hes selling murci kit and pieces http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140940734023 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140940734023)
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Mogoes49 I don't advise you buy the one on eBay!
"THIS CAR IS NOT AN EVERYDAY DRIVE" and "YOU WOULD BE A COMPLETE MORON TO TAKE THIS CAR ON THE HIGHWAY." That's what the listing says about the car on eBay.
You should just build your own! I remember "MrLambo" from San Francisco sold the most beautiful Murcielago replica I have seen for 45k (It went up to 42k on eBay alone) and this black one on ebay is not getting any bids for a reason ::salute So yes, for $40K you can build one that is beautiful
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Mogoes49 I don't advise you buy the one on eBay!
"THIS CAR IS NOT AN EVERYDAY DRIVE" and "YOU WOULD BE A COMPLETE MORON TO TAKE THIS CAR ON THE HIGHWAY." That's what the listing says about the car on eBay.
You should just build your own! I remember "MrLambo" from San Francisco sold the most beautiful Murcielago replica I have seen for 45k (It went up to 42k on eBay alone) and this black one on ebay is not getting any bids for a reason ::salute So yes, for $40K you can build one that is beautiful
i agree if i build my self at least i know it will be done right. even if i bought one that was smashing for 40k i would still end up tweaking it to what i want. i want to have a see through panoramic roof with rear lid cut like the avent style like in robs vid i also want to use the megan racing struts or ksport with swift coils metric ones with the exotic air cups with dual accuair set up. exotic air cups are the way to go. they are not like air bags that fail all the time these sit right on top of your struts and coils.even if your air system was to fail you can still drive safely around. you can have three presets to set the car supper clean ::rocker
Lamborghini Replica For Sale, Replica, Kit Car, Aventador, Lp640, mercielago (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmou_l-77M8#ws)
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eh that guy on ebay you posted doesn't ship parts internationally :(
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If you start doing pats like those air shocks you won't build it for 40 our 50, those cost are 1,200 each with the controller set up is 595 so your looking at 5395 just for shocks.
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eh that guy on ebay you posted doesn't ship parts internationally :(
He's here on the forum. "Camaro80". I messaged him and he will ship to the US. He was very quick to reply with a quote.
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A Audi transaxle won't handle the big HP. Count out a big portion of your budget of you plan on going with a transaxle set up. I've seen some aftermarket transaxles that will handle the power but they are $12k +. Not to be discouraging, just sayin.
The Audi 01E can be built to take well over 500 HP for alot less than $12K.
What do the upgrades include? Shift forks, bearings? I couldn't find many upgrades in the past when I researched the transaxles. How do they hold up to drag launches with 345's gripping the pavement? I'm not going the transaxle route but it could be useful to others to share your research.
You are right drag starts are very hard on transaxles but here is a company that has spent some time on the 01E
[url]http://www.vsmotor.no/vm608-3.html[/url] ([url]http://www.vsmotor.no/vm608-3.html[/url])
I dont know if Scott has delt with them but I know that he has seen some nearly 1000hp builds in his day
thank you sir for your input that's gonna help things out a bit if i do the engine swap :)
I make adapters for the 01E to be used with any of the Chevy or Ford V8s or the BMW V12 if anyone is interested.
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eh that guy on ebay you posted doesn't ship parts internationally :(
He's here on the forum. "Camaro80". I messaged him and he will ship to the US. He was very quick to reply with a quote.
oo ic, what are you buying from him?
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If you start doing pats like those air shocks you won't build it for 40 our 50, those cost are 1,200 each with the controller set up is 595 so your looking at 5395 just for shocks.
it will actually cost more it will be about $8550 the air set up it comes with is not that great compared to accuair way more reliable
air cups x4-$4800
dual accuair and accessories $2500
megan struts lp $850
swift coils x4-$400
but that is the best set up. i have that on my lexus gs430 with upgraded control arms and sway bars it rides like a dream even at high speeds hugs corners like no tomorrow its like driving a big go kart. on the kit car im gonna start off with only the struts and coils. the air set up ill add later down the road not that important at the moment. their has to be a line drawn.i must decide what chassis to go with either fiero or mr2 or go with cliffs chassis i emailed him waiting for him to hit me back. for me im a jdm kinda guy and i think im leaning more towards the mr2 set up because their are tons of after market parts for it and i have a plugs on alot of parts were il save money and i can get the power i seek with the tubo charger from the mr2 and its cheaper then dropping a crate not by a lot but still save a little and have the reliable of a toyota 8)
not really any kit cars out that much that are built on a jdm set up. as said just tossing ideas back and forth let me know what you think also do you know what cliff charges for his chassis is it built good ? he seems to get a lot of thumbs up from the Fonz ::thumbup
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I know that Cliff will not stretch a fiero or any other car, his chassis is 11,000 then you will need suspension and other parts, my chassis is custom all the way and when its done I will have nearly 30 k in it alone, the custom chassis way can be done cheaper for sure, for the sake of conversation look at the numbers
11,000 chassis
4,000 other chassis parts, brakes, brake lines ,radiators, shocks, fuel cell, etc,
4 to 5 k wheels and tires
6,000 engine LS variety 450 and up lower hp lower price
4 to 6 k transaxle, to hold the torque
1,750 adapter plate
3,000 wiring
2,500 tail lights
1,500 head lights, if you buy replicas and build
1,500 winshield
2,000 door glass
10,000 for interior OEM seats,console, dash basically the entire thing
8,000 on OEM parts
1,200 ac unit with control
250 rear glass
1,300 grilles
950 custom shifter
250 shifter cable
1,700 custom cluster with gauges
1,200 switches
8,000 paint
1,500 stereo
525 fuel pump
4,000 custom headers
400 borla mufflers
725 exhaust tip
6,000 for body kit
600 rubbers and misc parts
So you add all that up and you will be close to 90k, now I know allot of you guys will say oh we can do it cheaper or we can get it cheaper and that maybe true, I am just listing for the most part of where a top notch build will be, one that you can have great performance, looks and a car that is basically brand new when your done...
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As a first time builder I was a little surprised to have accumulated around $600 in receipts just for hardware (nuts / bolts and misc. fasteners) and I'm not even close to being done yet. Something as simple as a bolt can add up when you buy good parts that are rust proof and you start buying them in the hundreds. Weatherstripping is another component that adds up quickly when you buy quality materials and install it in all the places that should have it.
Chris
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thanks jamack for taking the time to make that list it will deff help out at least for me it will. now i have some since of direction on the build. what transaxle would recommend to hold all the hp down ?
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Honestly you can get different ones worked on and add performance, its more the torqure then HP, please don't take it as the gosple, there are some great cars being built for less but, i think most all of the great ones are 60k plus, I just listed roughly where my build is from the experience, I'm glad to help with anything I can and share what ever info i have because if I knew then what I know now it would have been a used 640 more so becauset it's getting nice weather here and i would love to be going on a Sunday drive.
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I am doing a build on a jdm mr2 right now. It's a rev kit, but if you are interested in anything just let me know. My build diary I think shares some of the ups and downs, but any specifics either post or pm me.
Disclaimer - I'm not done, and it's my first build. However, I am through the stretch into the body mounting part, so I think a good chunk of dealing with the donor is done.
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Getting high HP to the ground
You will need the "Stage II SDR-5" ($10,950.00)
http://mendeolapowertrain.com/files/MendeolaPowertrain-web.pdf (http://mendeolapowertrain.com/files/MendeolaPowertrain-web.pdf)
OR go with a much cheaper transaxle and do not shock it or try to do a burnout.
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Here is a post I put on kitcentral a while ago about “Why replicas cost so much.
http://www.kitcentral.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=9352&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sid=f699dfbb4f078d8e78b77e78987246dc (http://www.kitcentral.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=9352&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sid=f699dfbb4f078d8e78b77e78987246dc)
Read through the posts and get an idea of what you are in for when you take on building a replica. If you want the “most accurate replica” be ready for the reality.
Here is a post I put at kitcentral about the replica industry.
I am a builder of my personal Diablo. I understand about the costs.
There have been many discussions here about how expensive these cars are, especially compared to the cost of a used Diablo.
People used to take an old Fiero and attach a fiberglass replica Countach body to it. Flat windshield, plastic side windows that don't go down. Easy.
But then the Diablo came out. So it was off and running. The Fiero now had a Diablo body. Then the call was for an interior to match the Diablo. And of course you should have all the real lights and emblems. While they are at it, the suppliers should really make the angle of that body panel better, it is off by a degree or two. And make that bumper opening a little wider, it isn't perfect yet. C'mon guys get it right! It just means making the mold over, how hard is that?
Now we need to get performance, better than the old 4 cylinder or V6. Make sure the wheels and tires are as accurate as possible. On to better windshields and side glass 'cause the plastic windows and cut-down van windshield aren't good enough. And ya'know, that Fiero suspension isn't good either so let's make better parts. Even with a stretched Fiero chassis, it takes so much work to do that (and it is an old design anyway), you might as well make your own frame with better suspension and brakes. We can't all make a frame so let's buy one from someone who knows how.
More parts from the supplier 'cause we can't be expected to make them all! Now we go to an inline V8 with transaxle. YeeHaa! Better interior covering and gauges! Replica engines! NOW we're talking! These things are almost REAL!
And so is the cost.
I have been caught up in this also. I have spent an awful lot of money just for the parts to make mine look authentic. All the little things add up. Then there is the time it takes to replicate, with perfection, all the details. This is a HOBBY for those who build their own. You have to have the disposable time and money. It is not about making a cheap Diablo.
These are the most difficult replicas to build and will require a lot of time and money. You only get what you pay for.
For those who take on the task of building these cars for customers, I have a lot of respect and wonder how they can make them so inexpensive.
The building is the fun, the reward is a fantastic car.
RT
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I don't want to get in a debate , but that chassis you posted has no relation to a murci kit car. That is a full roll cage with no door opening !!!
. That's a track car cage. It does not relate to a lambo build at all .
No murci build I've seen has a full roll cage , or airbags, or real bumpers , or manufacturer-level safety door beams .
You can talk about how safe your build "will be" but as of now I'm only going by finished cars . My own and the others I've seen . I have a completed kit and acknowledge these cars aren't safe. When yours is complete you can show us the safety features
Actually if you come to Carlisle you will see mine in all of its metallic glory, you are right that is a race car but the point is that because YOU decided NOT to incorporate any saftey into your design does not inherently make replicas less safe than any OE build.
The car shown is a NASCAR chassis and was picked to show how over the top you can go. In my car I have 1.25 X .120 DOM tubing for intrusion beams and front and rear crumple zones. So I can say what is in MY car.
but wait it isnt a Murci.... ::duh
That's my point- I've never seen a Murci kit with OEM level side impact protection/door beams
Here is what the fiero OEM door beams look like - very thick and substantial
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/fwfinance/DD6C96BC-6F1A-4C8C-8B32-C7426EA2A570-5902-0000071DB7073D8C_zpsd4c6d724.jpg)
Thats a 328 replica . My kit car is a 355 that uses the stock fiero door beams and much of the stock door frames so I am comfortable with the side impact protection level. But I've never seen any murci have door beam protection . This is why I say they are so unsafe .
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Once you free yourself from the OEM-Mindset you will realize that you can make an amazingly beautiful car with the kit because you are not making a copy of anything.
I like the shape of the Murcielago and it's power, That's all. On the scale of sexy or exotic the interior scores as much as the Camry's inerior does - I mean just compare it to the Huayra's interior.
Even on the outside, I would change MANY things about a Murci. Afterall Lamborghini changed lights, exhaust, grills, wheels, Rockers, and added a Spoiler and several other elements as the car aged in production. I can think of many more things to moddify!
So my advice is "Escape the OEM before it swallows you."
#Justsayin
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Agreed
Ive seen much better diablo replica interiors than murci interiors
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Once you free yourself from the OEM-Mindset you will realize that you can make an amazingly beautiful car with the kit because you are not making a copy of anything.
I like the shape of the Murcielago and it's power, That's all. On the scale of sexy or exotic the interior scores as much as the Camry's inerior does - I mean just compare it to the Huayra's interior.
Even on the outside, I would change MANY things about a Murci. Afterall Lamborghini changed lights, exhaust, grills, wheels, Rockers, and added a Spoiler and several other elements as the car aged in production. I can think of many more things to moddify!
So my advice is "Escape the OEM before it swallows you."
#Justsayin
Good post. I've seen several Murcielago builds end up failing b/c the builder was so concerned about being OEM after awhile interrst was lost or money ran out.
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Guys let me say it this way, if you don't have the $$$ to buy an OEM car then you best to stay away from OEM parts has they add up quickly, there are some great builds out there that are not OEM style, as I have said on here a few times it all depends what your end result is expected to be. One of the things that gets me though is allot of guys say don't do OEM but then they are dying to get taillights head lights and such so if your not worried about OEM then buy some infinity taillights and do your car full custom, I say this for this reason, I have received many PMs kind of asking me why my build is being done the way it is, my answer is simple everyone on here builds their cars for their taste, budget and desires, my build is being done this way because of the level of performance and style that I am looking for, the car will have just over 500 hp and weigh about 2,500. If I was starting over with a build of a super car it would for sure be one of the race car replicas and that will 100% be the next set up that we do. Reasons, building a one off custom, HP potential, performance, just all the stuff you do when building custom..
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I just want to refine some of what jamack stated.
Non-OEM does not neccessarily mean funky parts! It doesn't have to be like you see it on CKI videos as some of the stuff they put on the cars just to get the car on the road are pure rediculous.
Look, if one pays $4,000 for the exterior kit then there should be no problem at all paying $2,000 for the full set of OEM grills and $1,000 for a pair of OEM Murci tail lights from eBay (If you don't like the older one, cover them smoke - even some real LP640 owners cover their lights smoke). Another thing is that Anyone can construct Perfect Headligts for their Murci 2 to OEM specs for less than $700 so why would you want to buy those OEM. All other exterior OEM exterior lights are $300 in total. There, that covers the whole exterior into looking OEM. A used Lp640 exhaust tip is $1000 so for the car to look OEM on the outside is less than $5K. THAT IS REALLY INEXPENSIVE and I think it is the BEST way to go and a person who wants to spend money to make an exotic car should not compromise such visible quality in parts ::headbang and that is what I bought.
On the other hand, if you want to worry whether the door handle is OEM and the Fuel door is OEM or the license plate light or the headlight sprayer functionality or exactly how many inches do batwings go up... Then good luck
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honestly the grills costed me 700 shipped minus the little triangles
much better than going with cheap looking grills that ruin the overall look of the car
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Tallon great purchase for that price, you canget the whole set though from Lambo for about 1,800.00, there are parts that can be had for cheap if you look around long enough, my build diary will available soon for guys that are interested, I'm charging 1,000.00 a copy I mean heck it does show how to build a Lambo, lol (its free)
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got them from whiteracing, cheaper than lambostuff. only problem is you have to keep on the guy to get your parts for a month
I didn't want the intake vents since they look like they can be replicated