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For Sale / Wanted => Cars & Projects Wanted => Topic started by: Robert on April 11, 2013, 08:22:31 AM
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What do you guys think about the Car Kit Inc Murcy2 body? What is the best body out there for the money. I am going to fabricate a Chassis Works chassis for my Murcy. Your opinion is appreciated!
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I have one from CKI. They need some work depending on how accurate you want it to be. The fiberglass quality isn't the greatest (voids, thin areas) but you get what you pay for. I suggest getting a body from John Watson if it's in your budget. His work is excellent.
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I have mercy 2 on chassiworks chassis. I'm happy with it for the money, needs work and fixing parts to make it accurate but you can use cheaper glass, door parts, etc. than you would if you went with oem panels/watson. Depends on your budget.
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I talked to John last week and he is behind right now ::study. Im not sure when he will be getting caught back up ::counfused.
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Some one needs to help him out ::help
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That someone shout be you ::toothy You live closer then anybody to him! I'd be there tomorrow if I dint have kids and a ol'lady to babysit >:(
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Robert, please let us know if you are building an OEM Exterior / Ineterior? And how much work you need finished on the body's Exterior / Interior?
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I would like to keep it as close to OEM as possible. Thank You for all of your replies!
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If you have the money to buy every oem part you can make it as close as you want :)
Depends what you think is close to oem interior. Do you mind the interior cki offers, look at their finished pics.
A lot of us toss it and look for better parts elsewhere.
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I would like to keep budget @ $30,000. Is this a reasonable budget?
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A lot of people say no but it depends what you're happy with.. I edited my post while you were posting^
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I agree its a matter of how happy with it you may be. $30K on a donor seems fine. But a chassis should cost more Time & Money!
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Am33er, I have not built a replica yet, but I have done some extensive homework on cost of custom chassis V. donor. The cost factor to do a donor properly is almost the same after you factor in suspension upgrades and brake upgrades on donor, then engine tranny swap. ect ect. (It kills me to see stock fiero engine and tranny in a LAmbo replica. sheesh your defeating one of the MAIN purpose of your replica IMHO)
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Am33er, I have not built a replica yet, but I have done some extensive homework on cost of custom chassis V. donor. The cost factor to do a donor properly is almost the same after you factor in suspension upgrades and brake upgrades on donor, then engine tranny swap. ect ect. (It kills me to see stock fiero engine and tranny in a LAmbo replica. sheesh your defeating one of the MAIN purpose of your replica IMHO)
you could enjoy an ride a little, an do the other things as weekend projects ,big brakes , steering column swap , engine swap will be maybe 4-5 weeks , but your interest stay strong ,if you are driving the car. Going all OEM style if the Budget is their is great. i would consider making a list of items that you want 100% or as close as you can get them, an items that you could live with as a kitcar.
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Great point ikr. Great point. THAT is what should be spread in these forums. Enjoy this hobby. Don't sweat the small stuff. Drive it n improve as you go!!!
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Eventually, whether OEM or not, to advance-modify the donor (generally a fiero) it requires solid money and time too (Engine - Trans - Axel - Wide Suspension - Larger Breaks - Steering Column, Etc.). >:( I don't know why there is not a thread detailing the 10 most common mods to make a Fiero more suitable - I'd make one if I knew all the details ::toothy Yes you can drive it without changing any of those and change them accordingly with time, however if one replica on eBay had them done and another didn't - the one with the advanced mechanics will get $10K more. This is yet another argument to do a Fresh Chassis work.
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For the $$ it's a good body. That same body used to be ~$10,000 back in the day when it was called G28. It'll take some body work but it's all about the journey, not the destination. UsmcButler is/was selling his project on here for like $17k including everything with a ton of parts. I'd buy that up if i was looking for another project.
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I too am lurking on here and thinking about cki mercy 2. I am about 45 minutes from their location and am considering making a visit to see the products and facility. I know that I will be disappointed with the fit and finish but based on their videos the endgame is get them on the road ASAP. I am wondering if someone with a little skill and a lot of determination can complete a nice looking, good functioning car from their kit. I want to have functioning windows which I am not sure is possible, I am concerned about the look, functionality, and safety of 3-4 inch spacers on the wheels. I would like to have it watertight with as little wind noise as possible. I would like to be able to hop in the car in 100 degree heat and be comfortable and the engine not overheat in traffic. How close it is to the real deal to me is secondary as long as it is not the look of the mercy 4 or others in that close but no cigar category.
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3% is the amount of starters who actually start a build and finish it. There is no itemized list of the parts that will be required to build your car to your specs. I have never seen two cars that were identical. Some of us have great and multiple talents when it comes to chassis construction. Others have less but more money. Some have both. And some have less of both. Do your homework. USE THE "SEARCH" BUTTON! Look at all of the build diaries. There is a wealth of problems that have already been solved by our members. You will be surprised at how much the extra parts will cost you. See RT's post in "Lessons learned- advice to Newbies" about what it takes to actually build one of these replicas. Are you up to the challenge? I hope so. Take it slow and don't home in on a problem or a snag. If you can't find an answer, then ask the question. Most of us are here to help. Jim
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How many HOURS does it take to fully cut / sand / regloss / etc. all needed EXTERIOR areas on a Murci-2 to make it ready for any sort of primer or paint?
Without having to worry about making it OEM or Generic G28 specs, just to clean it up FULLY with proper tabs to fit all OEM Grills and Lights (Except headlights). And to create and clean Exhaust Tip Cut, Side Markers Cut, Triangle Grills Cut, Fuel Door Cut, Mirrors Cut, Doors (Hinge, Shock, Handle) Cuts. Etc.
I am no expert, so guys please reform the question if needed to include the few missing areas that require the same attention. And let's answer this question for Coupe and Roadster.
Thanks
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Lol, I have no idea why anyone would even want to try and work out how many hours it will take to cut, sand, "regloss", & etc a G28 body. Why not just buy a JW kit and be done with it. #makesnosense
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I dont think the G28 bodies are that bad LOL! Yes, the A/D kits are more accurate, but they are also a more expensive build as well. The G28 bodies are going to be around for many-many more years. They are close enough to look good, can be modified to be even more accurate, fit the Fiero donor easily, and take alot of donor parts to save money. The A/D builds require you to use mostly OEM parts, and the fabrication of a space frame to attach all the panels to. They wont fit a Fiero donor properly at all and are best built on a custom chassis adding again to the build cost.
I think the G28 will remain the more popular build due to the lower cost versus the A/D kit.
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Good thing I'm building a JW kit on a Fiero! One can ultimately be the judge on how well the body fits over the chassis.
No biggie if people still want to punish themselves with a G28. After all, it is a free country. Honestly, your car is probably the biggest reason why people still want to buy that body. But, what they didn't see or don't know is the amount of man hours you spent making that body look halfway decent. Hence, the question about the man hours needed for a proper finish.
That's a myth that my body requires more OEM parts than a G28 body. The only major OEM part I purchased so far that was different from when I built a G28 were my door glasses. Which came out to $1500 for both. Plus, I made the seller throw in door gaskets as a bonus. If I'm not mistaken, you spent that amount or more having door glasses made up for a G28.
Till this day, people building G28's/Mercy 2 kits have no source to purchase door glasses. I'd rather have the option to buy $1500 door glasses that fit perfectly. Than have no source at all of buying door glasses for any amount.
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As Murci-Me said those kits will be around for a long time - they will actually remain hot till the end of the decade!
But ??? Murci-Me! 800 hours is five nonstop months of of 40 hours a week on fiberglass work!! We have 20 Murci builds here and at least 10 of those builds are from CKI, any real numbers guys?
Would 6 weeks of just fiberglass work make the Murci 2 from CKI worthy? And that is 200 hours (which seem like a lot of hours just working on fiberglass)!
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800 hours is a low estimate
Since this forum started almost a year ago , not one single build of a custom chassis has resulted in a finished car. Several builds have been abandoned or put out on the back burner
It is my opinion that the desire to create the best murci /custom chassis car is only leading to failed and incomplete projects and broken dreams . They take too much time and money . And it's due to unrealistic expectations from the outset such as it will only cost $30,000
Fieros are the ONLY murcies I've seen that have actually been finished into completed driving cars. All the eBay builds that are finished and driving are fiero based . Only jayso and murci me on this forum have finished Murcie kits before , and they are fiero based, jaysos new body is fiero based....I think this is pretty clear examples that its simply too tough and too expensive to actually finish a custom chassis build .
They approach $100k to finish and Every single one of them has been abandoned before completion or is nowhere near the point of a running driving car . The goal of a custom chassis murci for under $30k and in under 800 hours is simply not realistic . Ameer i know you were simoly asking how many hours just to correct a cki body but as far as the whole car-
Double or , more accurately , triple both those numbers (ie $90,000 and 2400 hours) if you want to actually have s finished car . At the $30,000 and 800 hour mark you'll have a lump sitting in your garage and come to the realization of just how much more money you need to sink in, and that's the point where most of the partial builds get abandoned .
Not trying to dissuade anyone, but you must have realistic expectations before starting otherwise you'll end up among the long long line of failed builds .
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No biggie if people still want to punish themselves with a G28. After all, it is a free country. Honestly, your car is probably the biggest reason why people still want to buy that body.
Several people have door glass for the g28. and putting maxima windshield on an oem style kit doesn't look right.
I didn't buy a g28 because of murcie-me's car. There weren't even that many pics of it that I saw at the time.
John isn't making them for anyone.
When you actually get the parts to sell I'm sure someone will buy one
The way John talks, it's very difficult to mount the body to the fiero
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Lol I don't know why it's so hard for you to ignore me. Again, I'm entitled to my statements and opinions. Please get off my b@ll$ & get back to building your car! Like Jamack said, ain't that the purpose of starting a build is to get to the finish line? #seriouslyman
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Soooo.... I'm not entitled to mine? I'm not here promoting anything, you are. If that's the purpose then why are you talking about jw vs g28
#notyourthreadyoumakenosensethisisnttwitter
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I'm still confused why anyone is talking about fiero's. Post #1- building on a chassis works frame...
Or how someone can say "it costs X amount to complete a car" How do you know what something costs me or anyone else?
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I haven't built anything yet but please bare with this - and as it helps the OP it helps the rest of us!
- Is the John Watson kit ACTUALLY Available?
- Exactly How Much?
- And how long to get one if We place an order today?
- How many hours does it take to make it READY for Plug & Play parts and for any type of paint process!
- (Given that the Fiero is easily upgraded to use advanced mods to drive train, suspension, brakes, Steering, options, etc.) Is there an already made Support Frame that welds around a Fiero for such a kit?
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I haven't built anything yet but please bare with this - and as it helps the OP it helps the rest of us!
- Is the John Watson kit ACTUALLY Available?
- Exactly How Much?
- And how long to get one if We place an order today?
- How many hours does it take to make it READY for Plug & Play parts and for any type of paint process!
- (Given that the Fiero is easily upgraded to use advanced mods to drive train, suspension, brakes, Steering, options, etc.) Is there an already made Support Frame that welds around a Fiero for such a kit?
-A JW kit is actually available
-$7500 for the exterior
-About a months wait
-No kit car is really plug & play
-Any reinforcement metal is best built around the car on the car, not off the car
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also people don't forget about the mr2 as i said in a other post its cheaper and better to do that because their are so many good after market parts for that car,and lots of mr2's come turbocharged already,and the chassis can handle up to 700hp to upgrade the suspension is way cheaper then doing the fiero. if you were to buy a mr2 with out the turbo it would only cost you around 2500 for a turbo kit and if you want the high 700hp then you would have to rebuild the engine to handle it still the parts are little bit cheaper in a lot ways. but hey im a jdm guys just my thoughts dont beat me guys ::pirate
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How much does it cost to ship the John Watson body from England? ::study
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How much does it cost to ship the John Watson body from England? ::study
That would be something you'd have to research. The buyer is responsible for pick-up/shipping.
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Another "Cheap" option to consider is the Porsche Boxster. You can get them for under 10k.
Eitherway Cheaper than a Tube chassis.
I bought a 00 audi a8 in perfect condition for my tube chassis build for $1000, why do you think that everything costs so much and that there is only one way to do things? A lot of us aren't paying labor or buying things from stealerships.
I wouldn't buy a boxster for 10k instead of what I am doing. Especially since it's so much trouble to fit the body over it when you could easily build a chassis that it fits and would be more enjoyable to do so.