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The Forum => New Member Introductions & Bio's => Topic started by: BigPines on April 17, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
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I have been a huge fan of Lamborghini since I was around 12 years old. I knew about kit cars even back then and dreamed that someday I may be able to build my own. At the time I was totally in love with the Countach - it is still an amazing car and holds up well to this day. Later, the Diablo caught my eye and eventually the Murcielago. In my opinion, the LP640 is still the most beautiful automobile ever made. I do like the Aventador but not nearly as well as the Murcielago LP640. For me, it doesn't get any better.
Now, 30 years since my infatuation began, I have finally decided to make plans to build my own LP640. I want to get this built before the LP640 kits dry up and everyone moves on to the Aventador and other models. With this purpose in mind, I have been lurking here for a couple weeks. I must say, this place is AMAZING! I have been so inspired by the creativity and craftsmanship I have seen and I am very impressed with how helpful members are to one another here. Murci-Me, I see you are in SoCal also so at some point, I'd love to talk with you and see your car. I would love to buy some parts from you. Your work is top notch!
I am posting this here instead of the build diary area because I am not quite ready to take the plunge. I am still doing research and trying to figure out exactly what I want to do. I would love some advice and input from those with the experience I lack. I am going to take my time. I probably won't actually start building for a year or two.
Donor: My first instinct was that I should use an MR2 or even possibly a Porsche Boxter as my donor. I know they aren't as popular as the Fiero but I figure they both have better suspension and horse power than the Fiero and I could get a better bang for my buck by going that route. Also, and unfortunately, I live in the People's Republic of California so my choice of donor is even more important because I am going to be stuck with the particular engine associated with the VIN of my donor for emissions purposes. However, I understand there are some problems getting the body to sit correctly on the Boxter so I was leaning toward the MR2. I have seen a couple of MR2 builds and I understand they have their own unique challenges. I'd love to hear more.
Today I had a bit of a revelation (at least until someone tells me it won't work). I figured since I need to keep the engine associated with the VIN and lots of people are switching out Corvette suspension/brakes anyway, why not base a build on a C5 Corvette? This way, I would have lots of power and good handling from the get go. The other thing is the wheelbase of the C5 is only .4 inches shorter than the LP640 so I wouldn't have to stretch it! It is almost perfect! I'm sure I could hide .2 inches in each wheel well. I know, the big problem with this donor is it doesn't have a rear mid-engine. I assume this could be done and I figure it would be cheaper to do this conversion then mess with stretching, building a custom frame and upgrading the suspension wouldn't it? I am kind of surprised nobody has mentioned this donor so this may be more of an obstacle than I think. Go ahead and tell me I'm crazy if that is the case.
I'll be honest, I have very little experience with welding and body work. I do have SOME experience and I am definitely willing to try and learn more. However, my brother is an experienced mechanic and has done some fabrication work. He doesn't know it yet but I am planning to enlist him in my glorious cause. I have a feeling he would love the adventure. :)
I think I want to go with a John Watson, Extreme Sportscars or Cliff's Custom Fab kit. From what I understand, they are all OEM spec kits. I understand John Watson may have the best quality available. How do I contact him? I can't seem to find a web site or anything on him. Is he still in business? Are there any other options for OEM spec body kits?
I think I am realistic with the financial aspect of this project. I know it won't end up being a "cheap" car but I think it will be worth it. I plan to start with approximately $10K and I plan to set aside $500 a month until the project is finished. I figure, that is a reasonable car payment if I was making one. Maybe it will take me 10 years to finish - I don't know. I figure slow and steady can win the race. I want to do this build right.
Your insights will be appreciated.
Mike
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The issue with the Corvette donor is the position of the seats in relation to the wheels. You are sitting closer to the rear wheels. The LP640 is a cab forward design in which the seats are closer to the front of the car. This gives it that exotic look. Plus you may have issues with the firewall and the fact the front end of a corvette is so long whereas the Lp640 front is so short.
I wouldn't even think about trying to relocate the engine and trans. Better to go with a Fiero donor. But the best thing to do is buy someone's else's unfinished project. You save money and time. Also most times they've already done the stretch and engine trans upgrades.
Oh yeah, welcome to the boards!!
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Welcome!!
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Welcome
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notnilc20,
Thanks for the response. I understand about the differences in cab placement. Maybe I am naive but couldn't the dash and seats be moved up and shorten the steering column? Of course a new firewall would have to be created in the rear. I know the engine could be mounted mid-rear because it is being done in the GTM Supercar: https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/gtm-supercar/design/#_framechassiscontent (https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/gtm-supercar/design/#_framechassiscontent)
(https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/gtmrearsuspension-694x413.jpg)
Looks like they are using a Porsche 911 tranny. It would be a wicked set-up wouldn't it?
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No prob. Yeah, anything can be done if you throw enough money at it. It just seems like a ton more work relocating the dash, shortening the column, and relocating engine and tranny. Why even use a donor at that point. Custom chassis would be more sufficient. Or you could do what is already proven and start with a MId engine car as your donor.
But this is your build and no one else's. build it how you want and if you think you can make it work, then go for it. We will support you either way you do it.
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From what I understand, I have to use a donor because I am in California and I need to be able to register it. On top of that, my engine must match the VIN of my donor so my hands are a bit tied there. So in other words, I can't start with a Fiero and throw an LS1 into it. I would no longer be able to register the car! :(
This is why I have to decide what kind of engine I want and back into it from there. I think a C5 frame with a few modifications would be an awesome choice and be very economical but maybe I am wrong.
For anyone else interested, here is another car accepting the LS1 as a rear mid-engine: http://superlitecars.com/ (http://superlitecars.com/)
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Welcome !!
You realize a corvette c5 doesn't have a traditional frame right ?
Here is what they look like stripped down
See eBay item 380396610012
Also you don't have to use a donor , you can build a custom chassis in CA and get a sb100 registration
You can also get a permanent smog exemption on a sb100 car , which is what I have in my kit so I can put any engine I want in it
Finally ,Watson is already backed up and likely wont be making more bodies due to health issues . Jayso says he will start making them but that hasn't been proven yet since Watson still has the molds . $10k to start will barely buy a Watson body and $500 a month will barely cover bolts and fasteners and little things . Unless you want an undrivable lump sitting in your garage for years , save up at least $30k before you start and budget for at least twice that- I can't tell you how many people budget $20-40k, spend it all and realize how far away the end still is and how much more money is needed , then they abandon it
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I second Tusabes & Notnilc20 in there responses and Tusabes is correct about John. Eventually the AD (John's) bodes will be available again but guessing it will be 6 months to a year out, I've been checking with him on a regular basis.
I dont think you will be going wrong with the $10,000 start up. However as mentioned before OEM available parts will soon and already started to dry up since production has stopped on the Murcielago. Also finding a partial build will save thousands in the long run. Good luck stay in touch!
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The GTM from Factory Five uses the corvette as a donor for parts only. The 20k for the kit includes the body and a tube frame chassis. You use the suspension, radiator, wiring harness, engine, gas tanks, glass, brakes, and door handles from the vette. The transaxle is from a Porsche.
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Thank you all for your valuable help. I guess the C5 wasn't the best idea after all. I have plenty of time to think about this and I plan to consult with my brother since I am hoping he will want to help me.
I am sorry to hear about Watson's health problems and kits being unavailable. A year out is not a problem for me. Like I said, I am not in a hurry. I need some time myself anyway. Anyone know anything about the other kits I mentioned? Any other OEM spec body kits available?
A partial build has ALWAYS been an option. Since each build is so different, a lot depends on what direction they were going in. I will keep my eye open for that too.
Tusabes, thanks for the tip on SB100! That opens up a lot more possibilities for me. Unfortunately, it only allows the first 500 cars in the state per year to be registered. That may be an issue. It also sounds like a big pain in the behind. I'll just have to be persistent!
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i also live in california and doing it on a fiero with and ls4 engine.
i am still not sure if i am going to leave as a fiero or sb100. regardless i will have a lot of time to think about that. its not like your going to finish your built in a couple of months.
if your going to spend all that money in a c5 might as well just build a custom chassis at your liking and spec or boxer.
it does take a lot of money to get things done specially if your not going to do it all your self.
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Thanks Solrac. Your build sounds interesting. I hope you have a build diary. I'll check. How can you get it registered if you don't go SB100?
Yeah, I am leaning Porsche Boxter at this point. I talked to my brother and sprang the idea on him. He said it sounds fun. He actually suggested a Porsche 911. He said that way, we could retain all the suspension, brakes, engine, tranny and have less work and less costs down the road. We may have to modify the cab position but he said that would be "no big deal". He has some contacts for getting cars cheap. Has anyone built on a 911? Are there problems using that donor or is it just nobody can bring themselves to cut up a 911? :)
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i do have a build diary on the reventon section.
i can just keep it as the fiero registration and keep all the vin's. and about smog i know a lot of ppl who will pass it for me.
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Mike Vetter in Florida is the guy to see about using a boxster chassis
Everyone else I know who has tried to used a boxster has abandoned the build after seeing how difficult it became
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solrac, I just checked out your build diary. That was a great tip you got from apsara on how to keep things lined up properly when doing the stretch. If I do a stretch, I am definitely going to use that method! What tranny you using to mate to your LS4? A G50? What are you planning for suspension?
What are the options for custom frames? I don't think I want the work/hassle of welding one myself so I would probably want to buy one completed. Do people end up having suspension geometry problems with these custom frames? It just seems so much better/faster/cheaper to me to buy a donor with an appropriate suspension than to try to reinvent the wheel but I am open to all options at this point.
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The problem with a donor is you'll need to both stretch the frame plus widen the suspension - that creates all kinds of problems and that's why some people prefer to use a custom chassis
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i am using 4t65e HD. it is automatic with tap shift option that will be use with paddle shifters.
most likely i will be doing my own custome suspension but still thinking of all my options.
there are a few options out there. west coast fieros has a custom set up for wide suspersion also held/arraut has a wide suspension set up.
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I found Mike Vetter's site: http://www.kitcarmike.com (http://www.kitcarmike.com)
Looks like he has done a ton of lambos on Boxters. He has done some nice work. I searched this site but didn't find him. Does anyone know if he active on any of the kit car forums?
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there are a few builders out there but they charge a lot. .and the other thing is scammers. u will find a lot of those too..
a custom chassis with out suspension will be around 10k
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I second that. JW kit seems perfect but are you in the build for OEM or to have a beautiful unique car! Get a 300hp 93 MR2 and a G28 and make a fast & gorgeous car you can enjoy in no time
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Thanks for the good advice guys. I'm glad I have time to think about it.
Is there such a thing as a '93 300 HP MR2? If there was, I'd be tempted! Didn't the turbo cap out around 200 HP?
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Just curiuos and seriously not trying to be smart, but why does everyone still refer to it as a "G28" when it's now sold as a Mercy2 for a while now? Does that Rob character still sell it as a G28? Is it because G28 sounds cooler than Mercy2? ::wave really just wondering.
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@ BigPines. Last year I owned an MR2 that was Baige Interior and Turbo 275 hp with all street legal additions http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/consumer-opinions/15662-lamborghini-aventador.html (http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/consumer-opinions/15662-lamborghini-aventador.html) I am on the MR2 forum and there are 450 hp ones.
@ noynlic ::huh Just because Jaki calls it a murcy 2 it doesn't make it "The Second Murcielago" or "Murcielago Two." And I have seen it on eBay under other names from a maker in Michigan and another in Oregon.
Isn't G28 a Classification rather than a name? I am not even building a Murcielago Replica so I doubt I should call this kit a Murcy 2 ::counfused
It's whatever you want it to be as long as WE GET THESE darn BUILDS ON THE ROADS
Mine is G28 because just like mike's and chris's and the kits of a few more guys here I bought it from Rob. Just bought mine last week.
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Thanks for the MR2 information. I'll have to look it over.
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Does anyone have a list of lp640 body kit manufacturers here in the United States?
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I know of the following retailers (not necessarily manufacturers):
Air Dynamics [John Watson] (OEM spec): http://www.air-dynamics.ws/ (http://www.air-dynamics.ws/)
Car Kit Inc (G28 - Not OEM spec): http://carkitinc.com/carkit2.php?id=7 (http://carkitinc.com/carkit2.php?id=7)
RTR Exotics (I believe OEM spec): http://www.rtrexotics.net/Murcielago-LP640.html (http://www.rtrexotics.net/Murcielago-LP640.html) Scam?
ItalianKnightRider (G28 - Not OEM spec): http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=86.msg612#msg612 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=86.msg612#msg612) Not sure if he is still selling these?
I would like to know of any others selling kits in the US.
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ikr is showing a g28 on that page
and rtr looks like a scam to me
watson and extreme-sportscars.com are the only oem spec and extreme is in UK and not lp640 model
pretty sure cliff sells copies of watson too but haven't heard from him in a good while
then there is beyondcustom.com.au I think they build turnkeys but they are the best I've seen
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Is there such a thing as a '93 300 HP MR2? If there was, I'd be tempted! Didn't the turbo cap out around 200 HP?
All you really need is a boost controller to take it to 300hp.
It takes a little bit more then that. Fuel needs to be added when you add more positive manifold pressure. Dont forget about changing the timing also. The turbo is also not able to move enough air at a certain point also. Do homework before you start to try to modify.
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Tallon, I have updated IKR to reflect the info you provided.
Really? RTR looks like a scam? That is too bad. Is that the consensus around here?
I never noticed that the extreme-sportscars.com was not an LP460 but you are correct! Bummer. So that means, there is only one option for OEM spec LP640 kits and that is Watson who is currently not shipping kits. Looks like I have no choice but to go with CKI. Hopefully that will change by the time I am ready to build. Either that, or someone else will sell their Watson kit when they decide not to complete it.
As for the MR2, if it takes that much to get over 200 HP out of it, I am not interested. I will either use it stock or go with a different drive train. Again, I am in CA and I have to worry about our emissions. I would rather just use a more powerful engine than mess with one that much.
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I know of the following retailers (not necessarily manufacturers):
Air Dynamics [John Watson] (OEM spec): [url]http://www.air-dynamics.ws/[/url] ([url]http://www.air-dynamics.ws/[/url])
Car Kit Inc (G28 - Not OEM spec): [url]http://carkitinc.com/carkit2.php?id=7[/url] ([url]http://carkitinc.com/carkit2.php?id=7[/url])
RTR Exotics (I believe OEM spec): [url]http://www.rtrexotics.net/Murcielago-LP640.html[/url] ([url]http://www.rtrexotics.net/Murcielago-LP640.html[/url]) Scam?
ItalianKnightRider (G28 - Not OEM spec): [url]http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=86.msg612#msg612[/url] ([url]http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=86.msg612#msg612[/url]) Not sure if he is still selling these?
I would like to know of any others selling kits in the US.
Thank you VERY MUCH!
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Could ask bartman, he copied watsons kit for builds also, not sure what his status is on selling kits or not
He made my modified oem inner hood
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ikr is showing a g28 on that page
and rtr looks like a scam to me
watson and extreme-sportscars.com are the only oem spec and extreme is in UK and not lp640 model
pretty sure cliff sells copies of watson too but haven't heard from him in a good while
then there is beyondcustom.com.au I think they build turnkeys but they are the best I've seen
Thank you all for your knowledge and help!
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I think LamboJayso may sell an OEM body as well. I know he has a ton of OEM spec parts.
This list should probably be sticky somewhere so we can keep it updated. So far we have:
Air Dynamics [John Watson] (OEM spec): http://www.air-dynamics.ws/ (http://www.air-dynamics.ws/) Currently not shipping.
Bartman (OEM spec - Watson copy): http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=29 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=29) Does he sell these?
Car Kit Inc (G28 - Not OEM spec): http://carkitinc.com/carkit2.php?id=7 (http://carkitinc.com/carkit2.php?id=7)
ItalianKnightRider (G28 - Not OEM spec): http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=86.msg612#msg612 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=86.msg612#msg612) Still selling these?
LamboJayso (OEM spec): http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=45 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=45) Watson copy? Does he sell these?
RTR Exotics: http://www.rtrexotics.net/Murcielago-LP640.html (http://www.rtrexotics.net/Murcielago-LP640.html) OEM spec? Scam?
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ikr is showing a g28 on that page
and rtr looks like a scam to me
watson and extreme-sportscars.com are the only oem spec and extreme is in UK and not lp640 model
pretty sure cliff sells copies of watson too but haven't heard from him in a good while
then there is beyondcustom.com.au I think they build turnkeys but they are the best I've seen
Thank you all for your knowledge and help!
I would like to add that on April 10th, 2013 I bought mine from www.RobsLP640.com (http://www.RobsLP640.com) It was an exterior kit for $4K. I paid another $1K to have it lightly sanded. I also bought from them an Essential Metal Package which includes the (Side Impact Protection Door Frames, Curved Windshield A-Pillar Frame, Door Hinges, Door Latch Setup) all for $1K. To me, those two packages I bought should make my build so much easier.
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From what I gather Jayso is planning on buying watson's personal moulds but not until someone buys a kit from him
but John will do what he wants with the moulds at what ever time that may be so he could end up keeping them
RTR doesn't even show builds just oem cars, and usually companies that list many different cars like that, which don't even exist as kits, then they are fake. Like Super Replicas.
Am33r you just bought from Rob, isn't he in jail and doesn't he owe other people money/parts?
You are saying you received a kit you bought 9 days ago? Just curious I didn't think you could get anything off of him currently, especially that quick. I'd be careful with Rob.
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From what I gather Jayso is planning on buying watson's personal moulds but not until someone buys a kit from him
Am33r you just bought from Rob, isn't he in jail and doesn't he owe other people money?
I think you are right about the JW kit. We should steer the attention to Jayso - it's clear he will be in charge of that kit.
As for my kit - well Tallon. We all go back to MadMech and see how things went :) I distinguished between two aspects: one is SuperReplicas who are scammers as in "send them money and recieve nothing" and Rob - who is shunned around here because many people "send him money but don't like what they get in return due to their own lack of knowlege about completing a replica, or due to missing parts, or parts they don't like like door cards, or due to arguments about how much the next item costs, or why is it not shipping on time, or why he stood for IE after several similar issues!"
I am in CA and I am a legitimate person who called him and made a legitimate request (I didn't ask for a turn-key aventador and wired him $100k) I called and asked that he sells me A, B, C, and D which are sitting on a shelf at his garage! I went to LA and picked it all up 10 days ago - I didn't even have to go to AZ. You saw a pic of it, it's beautiful! Should I have passed on the deal?
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? He's "shunned" for not delivering anything, read the threads here about him
His door cards, other interior parts are just fine, they are oem. They just won't work with the kit he sells. I'd like to see you make it happen but no one else has been able to.
Who tried to send him 100k for an aventador? Don't think that happened.
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Tallon I understand what you are saying but I am just stating my experience - should I lie and say I just bought and picked up a kit from someone else? I am not defending anyone here - How can he deliver nothing if I picked up this kit? It's here at my house!
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lol I believe you, I'm not saying you didn't get the kit, glad you were able to get one from him unlike other members here.
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OK, removed RTR Exotics assuming they are scammers. I also added the couple of retailers outside the US for completeness. So the updated list is:
US:
Air Dynamics [John Watson] (OEM spec): http://www.air-dynamics.ws/ (http://www.air-dynamics.ws/) Currently not shipping.
Bartman (OEM spec - Watson copy): http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=29 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=29) Does he sell these?
Car Kit Inc (G28): http://carkitinc.com/carkit2.php?id=7 (http://carkitinc.com/carkit2.php?id=7)
Cliff's Custom Fab (OEM spec - Watson copy): http://cliffscustomfab.com/Home_Page_1O6Q.html (http://cliffscustomfab.com/Home_Page_1O6Q.html)
ItalianKnightRider (G28): http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=86.msg612#msg612 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=86.msg612#msg612) Still selling these?
LamboJayso (OEM spec - Watson molds?): http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=45 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=45)
robslp640 (G28): http://www.robslp640.com/ (http://www.robslp640.com/) Mixed feedback
UK:
camaro80 (OEM spec): http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=833.msg8137#msg8137 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=833.msg8137#msg8137)
extreme-sportscars.com (OEM spec): http://www.extreme-sportscars.com/murci/kits.html (http://www.extreme-sportscars.com/murci/kits.html) (Murcielago - Not LP640)
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Beyond Custom: http://beyondcustom.com.au/?page_id=7091 (http://beyondcustom.com.au/?page_id=7091) OEM spec? May not be able to get a body without a chassis.
This is a nice list! :) Any others?
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am33r I'm sure you are a legit person but I was scammed by Roblp640 we sent him money in August 2012 for a reventon body and widen zinch 28 replica wheels and today we haven't received anything but excuses. He told my builder fieroking that he had our stuff on pallet which was a lie also he texted me that he was in jail for punching a police officer in the face however the week before that he was in the hospital for breaking his back. Just excuse after excuse. THIS GUY IS A SCAMMER AND I KNOW PERSONALLY!
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@ BigPines. Last year I owned an MR2 that was Baige Interior and Turbo 275 hp with all street legal additions [url]http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/consumer-opinions/15662-lamborghini-aventador.html[/url] ([url]http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/consumer-opinions/15662-lamborghini-aventador.html[/url]) I am on the MR2 forum and there are 450 hp ones.
@ noynlic ::huh Just because Jaki calls it a murcy 2 it doesn't make it "The Second Murcielago" or "Murcielago Two." And I have seen it on eBay under other names from a maker in Michigan and another in Oregon.
Yeah the guy in Michigan has a nice product , he is the one always posting videos about his 180 degree headers and reventon replica
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am33r I'm sure you are a legit person but I was scammed by Roblp640 we sent him money in August 2012 for a reventon body and widen zinch 28 replica wheels and today we haven't received anything but excuses. He told my builder fieroking that he had our stuff on pallet which was a lie also he texted me that he was in jail for punching a police officer in the face however the week before that he was in the hospital for breaking his back. Just excuse after excuse. THIS GUY IS A SCAMMER AND I KNOW PERSONALLY!
It seems rob will scam people who just send him money and expect him to deliver like a honest business does. But it you actually pay at the same time you pick something up in person , then he is ok. You need to proceed with extreme caution with him
It seems he takes advantage of anyone gullible enough to just send him money
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OK, removed RTR Exotics assuming they are scammers. I also added the couple of retailers outside the US for completeness. So the updated list is:
US:
Air Dynamics [John Watson] (OEM spec): [url]http://www.air-dynamics.ws/[/url] ([url]http://www.air-dynamics.ws/[/url]) Currently not shipping.
Bartman (OEM spec - Watson copy): [url]http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=29[/url] ([url]http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=29[/url]) Does he sell these?
Car Kit Inc (G28): [url]http://carkitinc.com/carkit2.php?id=7[/url] ([url]http://carkitinc.com/carkit2.php?id=7[/url])
Cliff's Custom Fab (OEM spec - Watson copy): [url]http://cliffscustomfab.com/Home_Page_1O6Q.html[/url] ([url]http://cliffscustomfab.com/Home_Page_1O6Q.html[/url])
ItalianKnightRider (G28): [url]http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=86.msg612#msg612[/url] ([url]http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=86.msg612#msg612[/url]) Still selling these?
LamboJayso (OEM spec - Watson molds?): [url]http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=45[/url] ([url]http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=profile;u=45[/url])
robslp640 (G28): [url]http://www.robslp640.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.robslp640.com/[/url]) Mixed feedback
UK:
camaro80 (OEM spec): [url]http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=833.msg8137#msg8137[/url] ([url]http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=833.msg8137#msg8137[/url])
extreme-sportscars.com (OEM spec): [url]http://www.extreme-sportscars.com/murci/kits.html[/url] ([url]http://www.extreme-sportscars.com/murci/kits.html[/url]) (Murcielago - Not LP640)
AU:
Beyond Custom: [url]http://beyondcustom.com.au/?page_id=7091[/url] ([url]http://beyondcustom.com.au/?page_id=7091[/url]) OEM spec? May not be able to get a body without a chassis.
This is a nice list! :) Any others?
Wow - this is a scary list . No one has heard from cliff in ages , jayso is selling a kit he doesn't even have the molds to and may never have them , and not one single person has ever bought a full kit from Ikr!! Ikr sells parts only , he has never had all the parts for any kit he claims to have , whether it was the 360, 430, 458, aventador Superbass, Bentley replica etc , all he has is a part here and a part there
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such a long way away from me to tell other what i sell or do not sell , i sell a lot of part but have no problem making a whole car ,i think i could pull one from my molds ....most of the people here run their head and have no clue ,what they telling people ...as if they are experts !! All parts & Molds shown below belong to IKR KUSTOMS ~
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/italianknightriders%20album%202/SBMOLDS007.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/italianknightriders%20album%202/SBMOLDS005.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/lp670-stylerearwinglarge.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/lp670-stylerearwinglarge.jpg.html)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/italianknightriders%20album%202/IKR670STYLEPARTS005.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/italianknightriders%20album%202/IKR670STYLEPARTS005.jpg.html) IKR 670 STYLE FRONT BUMPER ,in hard shell ,, bumper & rear wing in our body package ....Pic from Feb 3
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/italianknightriders%20album%202/SBMOLDS013.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/italianknightriders%20album%202/SBMOLDS013.jpg.html) IKR SB
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/italianknightriders%20album%202/SBMOLDS029.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/italianknightriders%20album%202/SBMOLDS029.jpg.html) DOORS are hard shelled ,see they are shinny
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/italianknightriders%20album%202/IKR670STYLEPARTS008.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/italianknightriders%20album%202/IKR670STYLEPARTS008.jpg.html) n my shop ,i think that is another front cap, dash & tail Lights for what car !! But the experts say different ? i think it,s the whole SuperBass Roadster body , i think ... maybe i should ask the know-it-alls before i post.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/IKRsscudfrontbumper.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/IKRsscudfrontbumper.jpg.html)PARTS FROM MY MOLDS
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/430rearbumpermold.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/430rearbumpermold.jpg.html)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/pod006_zpsb3703ba8.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/pod006_zpsb3703ba8.jpg.html) MOLD TABLE
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/458crate.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/458crate.jpg.html) 458 IN A CRATE
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/355BODYKIT.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/355BODYKIT.jpg.html) 355M wide body
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/italianknightriders%20album%202/60DIABLOCENTERCONSOLE.jpg) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/italianknightriders%20album%202/60DIABLOCENTERCONSOLE.jpg.html)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/flame.gif) (http://s18.photobucket.com/user/italianknightrider/media/flame.gif.html)
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Guys. I know it's difficult - but we all know that our strength is in our unity.
As as the topic of this thread suggests 'we can make a good community that is a guide for many more to come and enjoy the wealth of knowledge'. However, while it seems to be factual that not all of us have bee treated fairly, and that we all have our own advice to give on the matter of "Who to trust when paying for something" we should resort to the guidelines put fourth from the beggining: "Do not send money when you believe the risks are high!" You sacrafice your time working and pay your taxes and earn a dollar to buy a dream not a headache. If someone wants your money they need to prove themselves beyond a reasonable doubt. Find ways to minimize the risks, but if you can't find ways and the seller is not welling to show sincerity then IT IS NOT WORTH IT!
Guys - most of us know by now that probably every american who buys an exotic car kit passes by this forum or by madmechanics or kitcentral. None-the-less we continue to face the same issue of ucertainty.
A whole separate thread is needed for this matter...
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Wow - this is a scary list . No one has heard from cliff in ages , jayso is selling a kit he doesn't even have the molds to and may never have them , and not one single person has ever bought a full kit from Ikr!!
It seems at one time, this industry was booming but for one reason or another it has deteriorated to it's current state. I am undeterred nevertheless. I hope by the time I am ready to buy a kit (which will be a while) a good LP640 kit will still be available.
It is sad to see all the scamming and bickering but I'd rather know up-front what I am getting into. Three weeks ago, I could picture sending $10K to a company for a body kit assuming they would deliver it. Now, after hearing all these horror stories, I will spend the extra time and money to pick it up in person.
Originally I hadn't wanted to deal with the expense or work of a custom frame but because of the feedback I have received here I am starting to look into it more seriously. Maybe I should start a new thread for this but what is the best frame? ChassisWorks? Naerc? Something else?
Naerc is out of business so why are people still selling their plans? Shouldn't these be in the public domain or does someone actually own them still?
Mike
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I'm with you am33r. Let's keep the "Welcome" area to just that. Please move your other comments and questions to another area.
Welcome BigPines to Lamboclone Forum. Jim
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Hello! ::wave
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am33r I'm sure you are a legit person but I was scammed by Roblp640 we sent him money in August 2012 for a reventon body and widen zinch 28 replica wheels and today we haven't received anything but excuses. He told my builder fieroking that he had our stuff on pallet which was a lie also he texted me that he was in jail for punching a police officer in the face however the week before that he was in the hospital for breaking his back. Just excuse after excuse. THIS GUY IS A SCAMMER AND I KNOW PERSONALLY!
Rob just posted a video here
http://youtu.be/qQ13Aq8VH1M (http://youtu.be/qQ13Aq8VH1M)
The last car pictured is the one rob stole from JAdams