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Title: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 12:05:53 AM
Hi guys, wanted to start a build log on my LP640 replica I like to call "No Mercie". Trying to build an American muscle with European styling fun car. Your going to have to bear with me since I'm a little slow on the computer thing. I will try and post pics as I move slowly through this build. Thanks for looking.....batbuilder
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Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 12:20:44 AM
I started with a 1988 Fiero. Didn't know at the time about the isuzu 5 speed so I am planning on upgrading to the Muncie 5 speed...Trying to attach one pic of my donor car but says its not working. That's a bummer.... The car was stretched and body soft mounted by Rob. Had another picture but won't load. Have some pics of a real Mercielago I got to see while I was in Phoenix visiting Rob. Their really nice photos. Browser says they may be too large which is weird since I took them with my Iphone. 2 megapixel. Guess I'll try again tomorrow....
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 12:44:31 AM
Bought a 3800 with a supercharger from an old guy in Rocklin. He had bought the engine from Parts Planet in 2005 with only 53,000 docuemented miles. It was from a 1999 Buick Riviera. He had planned on putting it in a sand car. Unfortunately his wife died that same year and the engine just sat in his garage until I bought it in 2012. We had a nice talk very interesting guy even worked in the Klondike in Alaska. Well long story short he sold me the engine, computer, little engine dolley he made for $1000. Then he gave me three large service manuals for the engine. I thanked him profusely and promised him I would send him pics of the finished car. Thanks again Don
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 12:55:56 AM
Second engine I got from another old guy that was trying to rebuild a 2001 Grand Prix. He did body work on the side and this project just turned out to be too much for him. He had cut so much of the unibody away the bodyshop that was suppose to straighten the the frame refused to work on it. He was a Word War II vet in his 80s and just loved to talk. First of I just have so much admiration for these veterans and loved to hear the stories. My dad was a gunnery sargent in the US Marines serving in Korea and two tours in Vietnam. He died 14 years ago but I think about him often and honor him by thanking veterans and active duty for their service. I was in the Navy and was a little disappointing being the son of a marine but I new how hard it was to be a Marine. Anyways we settled on a price of $1200 for the car. The engine had 125,000 miles on it and we found out later a cracked head but I'm glad I bought it and save this veteran from another disappointment.
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Post by: usmc_butler on May 11, 2012, 08:20:56 AM
Batman cant wait so see some pictures :o. I enjoy the stories in your build, so many people don't tell stories about acquiring parts and who they have helped along the way, makes for reading a build thread, little more interesting 8)...

Sorry to hear about the loss of you father. His dedication to our country serving in the military along with many others will "Not Be Forgotten".

Semper Fi to you and your father and thank you for your service! OORAH!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 08:41:06 AM
Thanks usmc-butler, I am always amazed with the stories that a lot of veterans and active duty have shared with me. Even though its awkward at first I go up and thant them for their service. My dad was old school Marine very similar to clint eastwoods character in Grand Torino. He was so patriotic that as a kid I was embarrassed. Had flags on his mirrors of his truck, always wore Marine Corps hat and even had the Marine Corp emblem air brushed on the front of his 5th wheel. As I've grown older I've learned to appreciate him for the man he was instead of the just my dad.
Once I figure out my picture loading problem you'll probably think who is this crazy picture loading dude. But I think of this build as a diary and like to remember all the people who have helped me along the way.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 08:48:09 AM
(http://) Thanks again for introducing me to the world of resizing. here is a photo of my second Fiero we ended up finding on Craigslist. It was at a local tow yard and was siezed from the original owner. apparently he was caught driving this 1988 Formula with the 2.8 v-6 with the Muncie 5 speed. The police arrested him cause it wasn't his first time. Car was towed and impounded fees totalled $2800. So the car was sold to us for $1000. No haggling, no joking, no smiling. These guys at the tow yard lacked......personality. I knew it was a good one when I saw the RANGER sticker in the window. (military Ranger). The car runs and drives perfectly. Only flaw was the key had to be jiggled a lot to get it to turn. Replaced the tumbler and still no improvement. Made me think I'd like a push button engine start.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 09:51:27 AM
So Fiero number two we like to call Redwood car cause it was found in Redwood city is being stretched and fitted with a roadster body. We did get it smogged, registered and new license plates. In California its a $280 fine not to have a front license plate. Makes it hard for traffic cameras to identify your car for the fine and the fine not having one is just a money thing. State of California has no money. This is our old POS trailer we like to use to snatch donors. We put a nice winch on it from Harbor Frieght and that helps a lot on the big cars.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 10:20:03 AM
It was fun driving this car around it had a lot of pep. But in California where everyones car represents your status in life you get a lot of stares from people. I think they think look at that poor guy hes got to drive that POS around. It crackes me up..... So I like to mess with people. When they look at my junk yard car and then at me I like to ask. Hey do you know where the nearest pick-n- pull is? Man I love these little Fieros. But true to form when I went to Costco to fill up the gas tank with high octane gas it wouldn't start. So I asked the gas station attendant and a guy in a Lexus if they could give me a push start and sure enough it started right up...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: SchulzeA on May 11, 2012, 10:23:04 AM
I'm restoring a WWII Signal Corps generator that has been passed down through the family. I can only imagine the things its seen.

Is the Muncie 5 speed from a fiero or from a front engine car? Just wondering how your designing the drive train
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 10:30:50 AM
Another thing I really enjoy is to see how much stuff I can strip off the Fiero and still drive it around. When you get that added wieght off it makes a big difference especially those doors. They feel like they weigh a couple hundred pounds each. So I'm driving the most stripped down Fiero you can imagine on the freeway and a California Highway Patrol passed me doing about 80mph. He hits his brakes and lets me catch up to him. He looks my car over and as I wave to him he just shakes his head and takes off again. I think the reason I don't get pulled over a lot is my age. I'm 54 years old but young at heart. I remember as a kid I use to get pulled over a lot. But I think its an age thing now. Here's the car right befor my business partner Harold did a burnout. It seems like the Fiero has posi traction with both tires burning out....
Thanks for looking
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: jb1 on May 11, 2012, 10:54:54 AM
I'm restoring a WWII Signal Corps generator that has been passed down through the family. I can only imagine the things its seen.

Is the Muncie 5 speed from a fiero or from a front engine car? Just wondering how your designing the drive train

 yes it is a  front wheel drive trans  more commonly  referred to as  Getrag.. several newer cars used them as well,  but  to use from the  newer cars  you  have to have to use a   shifter  adapter  I believe is available from Rodney Dickman.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: No Bull on May 11, 2012, 02:44:39 PM
Many car guys have said that the overall weight from the "over built" frame on the Fiero is one of the things that killed it.  I know that in the 80's it was one of the safest cars on the road which people didn't believe given it's small size.  To this day it's one of the few production cars built that you can remove every body panel and still drive it around with no effect on structural strength which is all the more reason to use them as donors for our replicas.  Rumor has it that GM intentionally overbuilt the frame to accommodate the plastic body work which was revolutionary at the time.  Also because of previous small car experiences, they knew there would be concerns and eventual rumors about collision protection in such a small car.

Chris
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 04:01:22 PM
I remember I accidentally called Rodney Dickman about a place to rebuild my getrag/Muncie transmission. I guess it was his home number and that information was years old. i apologized profusely but he was a pretty nice guy about it and said he did not have a shop that was rebuilding those 5 speeds any more. A local shop that came recommended to me gave me a quote of $1400 to rebuild my tranny. I told him does anyone really rebuild a manual tranny for that kinda money. It seemed crazy high to me and so I'm still looking.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 04:08:18 PM
hey ShultzA, yeah I had read where getrag a german company had designed the tranny but they were actually built by Muncie. Getrag is fun to pronounce but if Muncie really built it, like I read, then I like to give the credit to them. I read on V-8 archies site those tranny will take up to 500 hp. But other people I've talked to say no. I have wanted to rebuild my tranny so that I could improve it. Also wondering about using 13 inch wide rims and tires if that much traction area would make it easier to break once I upgrade the engine.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 04:20:45 PM
Well after we made the decision to go with the 3800 engine I felt we should drive down and meet Chris over at West Coast Fiero. I had never really seen a Fiero cradle out of the car and there it was right in his shops front yard.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 04:27:08 PM
Chris also had a 3800 but with an automatic transmission adapted to a Fiero skid

Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 04:32:49 PM
Chris offered to let me drive a Fiero with a 3800 supercharged and auto transmission. This is what sold me on using that engine. Low end torque is immediate on a supercharger verses a turbo system that has turbo lag due to the turbo spinning up from the engines exhaust. Acceleration was immediate on the supercharger since it is tied into the front belt system. I felt the power would be more direct with a manual verses that automatic transmission.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 04:44:18 PM
Was considering West Coast to do the engine upgrade but they said it would take two months and i would have to send over an engine. The places that I called seem to have over priced used engines. $1600- $2200 dollars for engines with 125k to 180k miles on it. I found better deals on Craigslist.
I did order the conversion kit from WCF for about $1100. IT included motor and transmission mounts, upgraded fuel pump, used rebalanced flywheel, new clutch and pressure plates. Seems like its a start when I get the engine back.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 05:02:49 PM
My wifey had given me a Lamborghini Mercielago book for my birthday that had color paint chips in it. Harold like the orange and I liked the green for the roadster. The seats for the roadster look pretty aggressive too.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2012, 10:09:14 PM
Had just found out the Grand Prix engine we had bought with the car has two crack heads. They apparently are in an area where the material is very thin. From what we understand this is pretty common so we are going to upgrade both engines to these new and improved heads. I'll try and get some photos of where this is occurring so that it may help out fellow 3800 power plant conversion members. Not sure if any of you have heard of this but would encourage any opinions on this. The obvious about the motor builder might be lying is not probable since we have an friend on the inside and we have had this builder do some pretty impressive motor builds
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Post by: Murci-Me on May 11, 2012, 11:43:29 PM
So Fiero number two we like to call Redwood car cause it was found in Redwood city is being stretched and fitted with a roadster body. We did get it smogged, registered and new license plates. In California its a $280 fine not to have a front license plate. Makes it hard for traffic cameras to identify your car for the fine and the fine not having one is just a money thing. State of California has no money. This is our old POS trailer we like to use to snatch donors. We put a nice winch on it from Harbor Frieght and that helps a lot on the big cars.

Where in Ca. are you located? Here in SoCal, not having a front plate is a $25 ticket (fix-it ticket), and all the cameras at intersections have been ordered to be removed by the Courts. I guesss some people took the Police (who monitor the cameras) to court about having to pay tickets based on a photo and won! These cameras are just another example of the Gov. taking advantage of the citizens until they are told to stop. I got a ticket years ago for going through an intersection after the light had turned red, but in reality, the light was still yellow when I crossed the line. I talked to a legal guy about the ticket, and he advised me not to pay it. I didn't, and I never heard any more about it. It didnt go to warrant, and didnt appear on my DMV record. Once you pay it though, you admit guilt, and the ticket does go on your driving record.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 12:51:48 AM
whoops I meant $28. I live in Northern California about 45 miles south of Sacramento. We got 2 new licenses just trying to have one less reason to be pulled over. But I have to admit with all the budget cuts we have fewer cops on the streets. Do you mind me asking if you have registered you Mercielago as a special construction? How do you handle the smog issue every 2 years?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 01:15:13 AM
Here are some pics of the 2001 Grand Prix we bought for a rebuild. Its nice to have all the connections and see how the engine is set up in the car. The Buick Riviera engine had the accessories and computer together but was sold to us on just a rolling engine stand. Had no idea this car had two two cracked heads but I feel the old guy that sold it to us didn't know either. We will get the new and improved heads so all is well...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 01:19:16 AM
While in Phoenix visiting Rob we took a quick side track to the Scottsdale Lamborghini dealer. Took some pics hope these might be of interest to some of you....
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 01:22:10 AM
Told you guys I like to post pics....Lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 01:24:56 AM
a couple more
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Post by: autopro on May 13, 2012, 01:26:38 AM
Those are some good pics they sure will come in handy, thanks for posting them.  You should've just bought the yellow murciélago  ;D
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 01:31:18 AM
Yeah we were giving the salesman that impression. Eventually before I croak it would be nice to have a real one. But there is something very cool about building your own. Just knowing where ever bolt goes. Very cool...
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 01:34:36 AM
Still more
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 01:37:08 AM
yeah more
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 01:40:21 AM
Hope my latch turns out looking this nice
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 01:41:44 AM
almost done
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 01:55:37 AM
Now my impressions. Cramp, back in, yes its high on the cool factor but why so expensive....Why? This one had a back-up camera installed by Lamborghini $5000. Has any of these rich people ever heard of Best Buy. He even had the rear grill by Lamborghini that is a completely different with a little camera area in the plastic. So where did that original one go? I still need one.
The salesman let us start this one up. I have it on video. Guess that will be my next challenge to upload a video.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:25:34 AM
So the stretched Fiero with the body softmounted. It has the lime green engine accessories painted by the kid I bought the Fiero from. I like the way the rear body rests on the back of the Fiero and actually tucks under the Fiero trunk. So when we go to pull the body we have to slide it back a little
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:29:46 AM
Here's a pic of the other side. Plan on putting in the dual radiator. Using the Honda Del Sol radiator and fan. Bought them on Ebay for $80 each. A little concerned about the capacity for the 3800 but it will be cool when the fans turn on.Fans will be at the back pulling the air through the radiator rather than pushing. Wonder if this is what most people are doing. Any suggestions appreciated.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:36:57 AM
Here's another shot from a different angle
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:39:49 AM
Here's the car still on the trailer.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:45:19 AM
here's the door raised before we modified it. It was too low on the hinge placement so the end of the door was hitting the fender.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:46:57 AM
This is a close up showing the door hitting the fender....not good
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:48:46 AM
Love the long shot of this body even this early in the game
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:50:39 AM
Another angle on that shot
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:52:43 AM
another angle. The car is at a friends weld shop
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:54:37 AM
Last picture of the night. Hope you enjoy the pics. Thanks for looking
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
Here's a pic of the front where I hope to reinstall the a/c condensor and battery
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 02:36:16 PM
Stuff we have done is reversing the hinging of the hood to open forward just in case the latch fails or accidently gets activated. Really don't like the direction the original hood opens
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 03:08:19 PM
Already built a box in the front trunk out of 1/4 steel . I'll post those pics after I catch up with the pics.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 03:14:42 PM
Was not really happy with cutting the rectangular tubing for the hood frame so that it would follow thw curve of the hood. Slices were put in every couple inches to make that arch. We decided to yse 1/4 plate and manually bend it then when I fiberglass that piece in the thickness opf the plating will be small enough for the fiberglass cloth to adhere to it without those heavy corners. I also like the 1/4 inch plating because there are no voids that might start to rust and bleed through the air pockets in the fiberglass. Also being 1/4 inch thick we can drill and thread it without hacing to weld a nut on the back of it. So thats the plan...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 03:24:54 PM
So here's a picture of the 3800 further taken apart for the race machine shop. My buddy had his supercharged chevy 350 engine built here for his 57 chevy. They do a lot of race stuff and also engines for race boats. Its like heaven for gearheads. We are going to race the engines out a little but I still need dependability.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
The 3800 are not aluminum but steel. But weight is not a critical issue
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 03:59:54 PM
Last picture of the engine before it was torn down..
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 04:01:11 PM
Here's a pic of the rear deck lid with the batwings still attached
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 04:03:13 PM
Everything seemed trimmed pretty well and symetrical. The surface was very smooth
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 04:06:16 PM
The thickness of the material looked good and even the underside seems rough for fiberglassing but not a lot of bumps or ridges to sand
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 04:08:49 PM
The sides of the batwing looked pretty good but when I compared them closely one side had been trimmed about an 1 1/2 too short. It was an easy fix though. I really like the curving at the back of the side piece. Was not expecting that detail
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 04:10:39 PM
I was more concerned about the parts mirroring each other did not expect one side to be cut so short
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 04:14:24 PM
After cutting the batwings away from the rear hatch I started wondering does the batwing panel hang over the side plate. That would be nice because it would give me a little adjustment ability. But in Looking at my scaled model it looked like it comes right to the edge. Top looks like it is painted orange down to the thickness of the panel then black on the side piece. Thanks for looking
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 04:30:04 PM
The interior part of the drivers door has been cut a lot to allow the door to hinge upward compared to the passenger door. It appears the hinge has been mounted too low. So we have sinced reloacted both hinges higher and more inward to get that door up and avoid havint the end of the hinge contact the underside of the top of the front fender. These doors are a bit tough. Also this is before we re located the latch so that it was more parrallel with the interior door. It was pretty crooked.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 04:32:37 PM
Here is a wheel I found that I really liked the look of. Of course this was only a 17 inch and we checked on the internet and it appears this company when out of business
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 04:34:21 PM
Here's another wheel that I really liked. I believe the 20 inch only went 10 inches wide. But I like the look
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 04:38:29 PM
Here's a comparison of the two front vents showing the body was off by a bit. Once we remover the soft mount screws the body slipped sideways to straighten itself out. The only body seflection I noticed coming out of the mold appears to be the passenger windshield pillar. We have since corrected that with the interior rollbar.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 06:52:21 PM
Hate  to see all the posts on the front page. I'm just trying to load my pics until I catch up with where I'm at on the build.  Here's the difference of the gap on the hood frame.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 06:57:29 PM
Here's the skid plate we fabricated for the front end. I plan on holding it back about an inch.
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Post by: No Bull on May 13, 2012, 06:58:44 PM
No need to apologize, you are adding content and I'm sure others (including myself) are following along.  This is what the site is all about and thank you for contributing your story and photos.   8)

Keep them coming!

Chris
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 07:05:24 PM
Thanks Chris i didn't want to come across poorly. I know I will enjoy looking through this build when I'm finished and see what I was thinking at the time. At this point I feel like I dont know what I dont know. Had some members already emailing me giving me some good suggestions. Here we are getting the skid plate ready to be attached. I had another kitcar a few years ago and was running into  those sloped entryways. Too many people behind me and too sloped to move forward. I have a car now with an airbag system on the front but its a lot of componenets to clear a driveway. I want to build the skid plate with two rollers under it.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 07:31:59 PM
Here is that batwing that was a little short so I attached it to the batwing panel trying to line things up. Used some foam board for the outside of the batwing edge. Then layed some fiberglass to the inside.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 07:36:12 PM
here is a picture of the inside ready for fiberglass
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Post by: No Bull on May 13, 2012, 07:53:03 PM
The front skid plate is a really good idea I hadn't thought about but I'm going to incorporate in my build now.  I'm using two rubber wheels that are tied to the front frame and tucked up under the nose but the skid plate would be some great extra insurance and something to scuff up and hear before you got into the underside of the glass.  Are you going to add any foam between the plate and the fiberglass to give it a little flex or are you bolting the two directly together?

Chris
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Post by: Tallon on May 13, 2012, 09:18:20 PM
I think the batwing sides look good, I wish my kit came with them. I tried making my own oem style but it turned out horrible.
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Post by: jb1 on May 13, 2012, 09:55:54 PM
thanks for sharing your  build thread with us..   I don't post a lot  but  have been and will continue to follow your progress,,,   looking forward to more updates.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 10:34:41 PM
hey No Bull, no the skid plate is attached to the chassis through tubing. Two of the tubing is attached to the original frame and two are attached to the extension tubes helping to tie those two together. Two rubber rollers will be directly behind the skid plate and below them. The top of the skid piece becomes another attachment point for the body. If I look off the two front tires I could slide on this skid plate. The plate is such an intergral part of the chassis you can even use it to jack up the car. I incorporated two small receiver tubes below the skid plate and will build a detachable tow bar especially for the hieght of my truck's ball hitch. There will be wiring stubbed to the front that will make it so I can hook up my brake and turn signal on the actual car. I had to tow my Testarossa a couple of times and had to listen to the tow truck driver whine about the hieght of the car. This is going to be a fun car....
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 10:43:14 PM
Hey Tallon, I think a good way to build your own sides would be to use a piece of foam board to create the L shape. Then cut a piece of PVC pipe to simulate the indentation. Covering the inside with green masking tape. Creating a tape and foam board mold. When you lay the fiberglass in there it will be the finish piece. The tape will help you release your piece and the fiberglass resin will be easy to sand smooth. That's just my humble suggestion. Thanks for looking I appreciate your input...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 10:48:15 PM
Hey JB1 I appreciate you checking out my build. On forums there seems to be two ways to post. I like to share everything I'm learning through this process. I personnal feel if someone gets an idea or inspiration fron some of my info it doesn't diminish my build. It makes us all better. I am learning so much just being on this board. Thanks again for looking...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 10:51:41 PM
Here's a peek at the roll cage I am installing in the coupe. This is 1 1/4 tubing that goes from one square tubing side to the other.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 10:58:35 PM
I was told and have been told don't worry about a roll cage. Not only on this project but on others I have done. This to me is the MOST critical part. We will tack weld the roll cage together then pull the body and do some deep penatration welding. Obviously I dont want it to be out of place but I'd rather have a little bulkiness than lack the safety. Triangulation is the key here. Another biggie is side protection. There will be some backing to prevent the doors from collapsing during a side impact.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 11:03:35 PM
I did opt to drop the demension of the tubing to 1" at the windshield pillars. And frame out the windshield top bar with 1 1/4 . Both pillars drop into these steel elbows so they can flush mount to the chassis. Then the corners will be reinforced with 1/4 plate. This pillar is just laying on the dash at this point
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Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 11:04:32 PM
Here is the pillars being attached to the front bar. I should point out the first try did not work as planned so we had to backtrack and get those downsized bars further under the fiberglass windshield mounts. We were thrown off because the sides of the windshield mounts were trimmed differently. Also the passender pillar is lower than the driver's side. Just a mold issue.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 11:16:37 PM
Here's an inside shot of what I'm talking about. We had to trim out alot of that indentation between the windshield and the roof.  I was told this indentation was where the roadster windshield is cut. Don't know what to think about that.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 11:29:01 PM
Here's the windshield frame. I like the front pillar welded into the top frame and then the roof tubing welded into the top windshield frame.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 11:30:56 PM
Here's the elbow welded to one side of the windshield frame
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 11:32:07 PM
Here's another inside view
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 11:35:43 PM
Here's what I'm talking about tying it in. The end of the windshield tubing will be capped
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 13, 2012, 11:38:15 PM
here's the connection to the rear hoop. There will also be another down tubing in front of the rear side window. You can see a perfect mounting base for that down tubing
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on May 14, 2012, 06:49:28 AM
Hey Tallon, I think a good way to build your own sides would be to use a piece of foam board to create the L shape. Then cut a piece of PVC pipe to simulate the indentation. Covering the inside with green masking tape. Creating a tape and foam board mold. When you lay the fiberglass in there it will be the finish piece. The tape will help you release your piece and the fiberglass resin will be easy to sand smooth. That's just my humble suggestion. Thanks for looking I appreciate your input...dave
I used a really thick cardboard tube but the problem is figuring out the right shape and size, my curve turned out way bigger than I thought it would. Also I made the side wall almost 90 degrees which was a big mistake since it will never operate at that kind of angle >_<
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on May 14, 2012, 09:18:48 AM
Im glad to see somebody making progress (im sure not ;) ) Build is looking great I enjoy all of your pictures. Im building a Fiero with a SC3800 as well. As No Bull mentioned that is a fantastic idea with the front skid, I would also like to burrow that idea from you. It serves as 2 purposes, front body mount and protection from lil critters in the road! You have some good ideas and are making some great progress! Keep it up, were all here for you if you need anything...!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 14, 2012, 06:15:40 PM
Need to ask for some help. I ordered 1995 Saturn SC1 coupe glass. It seems to be too long and the curve seems too flat. Does anyone have a better match? Trying to get the best match. Thanks dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on May 14, 2012, 09:06:01 PM
For door windows? You need custom glass if you want them to be operational, saturn windows are for fixed. Never heard of it being too long, though.

Murcie-me sells the glass.
and others sell lexan versions
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:28:42 AM
Hey Tallon, yeah the glass is  too long I'll post a pic. Then I got a free set from rob but it was off in all different directions. I do want glass and have contacted MurcieMe. So I'll probably go that route. Got a set-up for the power window thing but haven't even open that box. Lol.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:33:31 AM
So been fighting with this front hood reversal thing. My welder finally figured out the hinging issue. The pivot point needs to be far in front of the edge of the hood. Don't laugh when you see this but it works. He started with a detachable piece so the hinge can be removed and it welds onto the chassis
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:35:54 AM
Because we are using 1/4 inch plate we can drill and tap into it. Here's where we positioned the bracket well ahead of the front square tubing
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:37:56 AM
Here's a pic of the hinge. Don't laugh it really works...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:39:42 AM
Here's how it is positioned all the way in front of the tubing. This is going to be the same type of setup on the rear deck lid
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:42:00 AM
another pic of the two reciever sleeves. Centered within the middle of the front end
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:44:45 AM
The two front hinges are the same but the front metal was welded slightly off causing the hinges to be off.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:46:54 AM
these are the two mounting plates drilled and tapped ready to be installed
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:49:46 AM
Here's the steel strips creating a frame on the hood that will later be fiberglassed. May have gone a little overboard here.Lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:52:20 AM
The rear deck lid frame is built to last also. Have some ideas on supporting the glass but that's me just being a little over kill. These louvers are curved but the eventual glass will be flat.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:53:55 AM
here's One of the braces going from the chassis to the skid plate
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:55:40 AM
the louvered rear deck fits ok but needs a lot of tweaking
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 16, 2012, 12:57:50 AM
Here's the deck lid in action. Sorry guys have a lot more pics to post and got some pics of my replica engine but my eyelids are going down. Thanks for looking....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 12:53:34 AM
Here's yet another part I need Lol. A gas cap lid
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 12:55:14 AM
The roll bar has a riser that goes down to the square tubing that surrounds the Fiero unibody. You can see it through the quarter window
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 01:01:43 AM
The crack in the head of our 3800 engine. Both heads have a crack between the exhaust and intake valves. After market heads are built up in this area.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 01:04:42 AM
Here's a closer view of those cracks. Not sure how far they go in there and there is a way to repair them but we are opting to replace them with improved heads
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 01:06:41 AM
Here's another view
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Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 01:09:05 AM
This is a full view of the 3800  head
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 01:11:50 AM
whoops that last block is from another engine. This race shop is a gearheads heaven. Just love looking around here and these guys really know how to modify engines
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: autopro on May 17, 2012, 08:32:28 AM
So are you going to replace the louvers in your deck lid with glass?  That would be sweet, I really want to see how you do that, and I might just do it to mine also 8).  The replica engine will look awesome under that deck lid.  You have made a lot of progress so far.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 09:51:50 AM
Hey Autopro, yeah thats my plan on the rear louvers. Thats why the bars are straight across rather than curved. I'm trying to come at this car from another perspective rather than following the real Lambo's way of doing it. Not saying its a better way just different. I can tell already the framing on the hood and rear deck is a little over the top. The thing I like about the thin bar approach rather than rectangular tubing is the distance that the fiberglass has to drop over the edge. I hate having air bubbles and poor bonding.Sometimes its hard to get that fiberglass to follow such a big drop. The fiberglass cloth likes to remain somewhat ridgid and not lay down in the corners as well. So yes glass...Thanks for looking
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Post by: Texas on May 17, 2012, 09:57:18 AM
Moving fast!!! Your build looks good. Keep it up.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:02:42 AM
Thank You Texas. I appreciate the kind words. My dad's side of the family is frome La Marque, Texas. I spent a couple years there when my dad was in Vietnam. Its true what they say everything is bigger and better in Texas. Can't wait to see your build.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:11:34 AM
Have to say Tallon was right. We are getting down to attaching the dash to the console and it doesnt line up. Right hand console with left hand dash. Don't worry I'll make that fricken thing work. Might not be the prettiest console around. Also I've noticed the Fiero cockpit goes way past the quarter windows. Not like the original. But I will take some advantage of that by lengthing the console if necessary. It seems like the Fiero chassis needs to be shortened between the dash and the front wheels. Of course thats not going to happen with mine. Got to work with what I have. I'll just be that goofy guy looking out my quarter window. Lol
Whoops this under side dash piece is off. Will have to slice in two differnt areas to realign it.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:13:19 AM
I like the idea of cutting that side panel off to reupholster it seperately but then I have to figure out how to reattach it and remain strong...Part of me just wants to fiberglass the seams and make it one stromg unit but then the upholstery would not have that strong seam.
Whoa thats a little off
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:17:36 AM
The front doesnt have a choice it has to line up so the difference will have to be mad up in the side.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:22:16 AM
Here's a look at the console. It does appear to be an exact pull like the kit builder told me but it will take a little modification to make it adapt. And I can say because of the curves on the consol it will never look oem. But I think I can get it close enough for goverment work. First thing is this horn has to be chopped off.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:23:56 AM
Here's another angle of the part that needs to be "massaged" as they say in the body work industry....Lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:27:55 AM
Thought I was missing part of the dash where the shifter and stereo goes. But was told that didn't come with the kit. I did think I saw No Bull had a nice metal one. Wonder where he got that from? Hummm. Input suggestions here please....Lol
The other side of the dash lines up but oh that grab handle. Had to really squirm around to get that fiberglass inside the handle area.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:29:41 AM
here's another angle of that handle.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:31:41 AM
Did I mention I only buy green masking tape. No sticky glue residue mess....Walmart
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:41:30 AM
And yet another angle.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:45:38 AM
Here's a pic of the instrument housing being fitted to the top of the dash
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:48:58 AM
Here's a pic of the insert and housing not fitting. Wow this really doesnt fit to the point I may have to cut that bridge out between the front of the instruments and re fiberglass another bridge in. I'll have to reroute the attachment first so it doesn't go all out of alignment.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:50:07 AM
here's me looking at a picture saying " what the hell"....Lol. This is just pure fun figuring this stuff out. I love it..
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:53:55 AM
Here's my guy trying to figure out why this doesn't fit....Its the bridge
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 10:59:49 AM
This is a few hours later as he throws up his hands. Pretty frustrating....But these fiberglass parts always seem to be off. Just got to modify stuff and relax.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 11:00:57 AM
Here's a pic of that handle after being fiberglassed. It was a mess and still needs some fiberglassing to the outside where it doesn't match
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 11:11:21 AM
Here's the view from the other side you can see that interior lip is off. And the top corner is short
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Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 11:14:54 AM
Here the alignment looks pretty good and the lower dash has the right angle
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Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 11:17:10 AM
Here is the side mirror back from having the mirror glass cut and fitted
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Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 11:19:04 AM
Here's the nice hole through the housing.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 11:20:41 AM
Here's a front angle. These mirrors take some time
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Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 11:22:03 AM
here's the next piece to tackle the center console arm rest glove compartment piece. Thanks for looking....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: autopro on May 17, 2012, 12:15:48 PM
What are your plans for the instrument cluster, vents and switches for your dash?  I have been trying to source these parts but haven’t been able to come up with anything.
It must be pretty frustrating not having a piece only to be told that it doesn’t come with the kit, I admire you for being so calm about it but I would be pretty mad.

The mirrors are also looking good; will you be making them so they can fold like the original?  What about putting power mirrors in them?  It would be cool if you can make them work.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Texas on May 17, 2012, 12:51:16 PM
Well we do have a complex for "Bigger" my last two trucks were fairly Big and made over 1k h.p. and now the last one is being shipped to Germany to it's new owner so I am left with Big dreams of a LP640. I am so ready to get started your thread is very inspiring. Do you ever sleep? LOL
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on May 17, 2012, 01:02:47 PM
pontiac solstice are the murcie vents but they can be substituted with a few others that are easier to find they just don't look exactly the same
F150 is one
but no one gets this stuff with their kits and you usually have to buy oem switches if you are going for accurate look. there are no replicates that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: autopro on May 17, 2012, 01:36:26 PM
pontiac solstice are the murcie vents but they can be substituted with a few others that are easier to find they just don't look exactly the same
F150 is one
but no one gets this stuff with their kits and you usually have to buy oem switches if you are going for accurate look. there are no replicates that I'm aware of.

Thanks Tallon.

When I was talking about missing pieces it was because Batbuilder mentioned that there was a fiberglass piece missing from his dash and when he asked about it he was told that it wasn't included in the price.

I know all those other switches and vents we are going to have to find.  I have been looking but can't find any that even come close to the OEM look.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on May 17, 2012, 03:02:40 PM
Oh yeah rob sells certain parts separately for some odd reason

Hopefully someone will make copies of the switches finally. I guess since they cost so much no one wants to share them
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 05:11:27 PM
Hey Autopro, my plans for the instrument panels is to beg someone to sell me one and if that doesn't work then I'll have to build one. The shifter panel was suggested to me to build it out of plexiglass. Won't be going that route. Either  16 guage sheetmetal or use a fiberglass panel. I like the sheetmetal because I can weld mounting screws on the back so switches can be easily removed. But since the rest is made of fiberglass I may use a fiberglass panel. But both will have the need to be removed periodically
No the mirrors will not be foldable. I did have a set of power mirrors from a 98 Camaro I was hoping to use. Thanks for looking
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 05:16:37 PM
Hey Texas, Should be no problem to get your Lambo to 640 HP with knowledge of how to create 1k HP trucks. Now if you could only make it all wheel drive. Yeah I have time everyday to do a little.It just looks like I'm moving fast.Lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 05:35:34 PM
Yeah Tallon it falls into that category of being too expensive to share. I have to watch my budget closely. But even some things seem overinflated in price. Just supply and demand. Yeah Autopro the instrument panel was not "missing" just not included. I'm sure we can build one that is affordable. I have not really studied the panel much yet but we will figure it out. Hopefully someone will be selling one before we get finished.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: autopro on May 17, 2012, 06:06:52 PM
I have to watch my budget closely. But even some things seem overinflated in price. Just supply and demand.


I see the instrument clusters on eBay and other places but they are usually in the $3,000.00 range :o.  Toooo much money!  I did find this company that makes the faces for the gauges, if in the end like you and I don't find one I will also have to make my own.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/180546986255?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/180546986255?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 17, 2012, 06:48:56 PM
Yeah see the $3000 is just too much for me too. I seen that instrument face where you adapt your Fiero guages. My problem is the I have a 3800 Grand Prix guage set. Its very similar to the Murcielago instrument housing. I have wondered if I can adapt that face to the Lambo. Of course my Tranny is still Fiero so speedometer issues. But I am a long ways from worring about that now.
OK today we made a commitment to rebuild those 3800 engines. The first engine will be $4000 because both heads need to be replaced. The second engine will be $3500 because heads can be redone. Should take 3 weeks to complete the engines. The cam is going to be new. I'll get the build sheets and share. Everything sounded good at the shop. Lol Need to call another shop about rebuilding those superchargers. Heard there was a company that is suppose to be really good.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 18, 2012, 11:34:10 PM
Spent a couple days sanding and fitting the interior. Don't know if I mentioned this but I do need some parts!!!!. Lol extra rear tailights , rims, shifter plate, side markers, grills OK basically everything. Email me or PM me.Thats how it fits up against my front dash. I need to figure out the best way to secure all these parts on whenever I get these parts upholstery. Got a couple ideas but I'm open for suggestions
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Post by: batbuilder on May 18, 2012, 11:40:10 PM
Oh yeah the tape is not my attachment solution. Although I love the green tape. The parts match up pretty good after the trimming but the piece that goes up against the dash was not in the kit. But I think I can make another one using the end piece from the dash. Yeah did not get the instument cluster lowered yet. I'm going to spend a couple quiet hours fiberglassing that this weekend. Need to focus
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Post by: batbuilder on May 18, 2012, 11:42:27 PM
Here's another shot of the passenger side. I think I have come up with an idea on connecting everything before the upholstery. I seen it done on another forum. Maybe it will work here. Talked to my favorite guy over at Tap plastic. Was talking to him about wrapping parts with carbon fiber rather than remaking the piece in carbon fiber. There's also another process where they dip the piece in a liquid filled tub with a carbon fiber membrane floating on the top. The membrane attaches to the piece and whalla it looks like carbon fiber. I'm going to take a piece over there to test it out. I'm concerned about durability and being ultraviolet non-sensitive. I know they use it to camoflauge rifle stocks. Of course cost will be a big factor.
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Post by: Murci-Me on May 18, 2012, 11:44:51 PM
Remember, fitting it all together on your garage floor doesn't mean it will fit in your car the same way. You cant fit your interior until your doors are hung.
Those look like OEM splashed door cards. If they are, they will never fit on your G28 series door without very heavy modifications, and at best will still not fit the door properly.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 18, 2012, 11:57:41 PM
Now that's not being very positive...Lol Unfortunately I have to work with what I have. Its funny because the pieces don't even fit together on the garage floor. What chance do they have in the car. Lol Luckily I'm not making an exact replica. Ok not even close. Alright maybe its going to look like a Nissan replica. I'll do the best I can do and life will go on...These interior pieces are cracking me up I'm constantly thinking " what the hell?" Glad no one has pointed out hey dave you got that piece upside down. I can tell you one thing I am having the time of my life playing with these parts!!!!
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Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 12:07:50 AM
Here's a view if you can imagine looking through the car body panels and even the engine cover is looking good. At least I have it on the right side of the dash. Hey no one has commented on my clown air intake hoses. Don't know what the hell I was thinking. But you know whats weird? I think it looks cool. Stop rolling your eyes. Lol
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Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 12:09:31 AM
Here's a view showing the outside and inside door panels. I've looked at the interior door panels and I'm thinking how is this goiing to work. I'm going to have to get my motivation and chi up before I attack this project. At this point it seems insurmountable. How do you eat an elephant....One bite at a time. I got two big elephants to eat.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 12:14:52 AM
The console. What can I say about the console....wow....does anyone have a console for sale? Just kidding I'll play with this one for awhile. I notice that my kit does not have the piece the seat belts attach to. Yeah I noticed that. Oh you know what was weird I could see the tape that was used on the original upholstery before they pulled the mold. Yeah just strips of tape. That's special....Thought about leaving it so my uphostery would look like tape upholstery but we are sanding it out.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 12:37:17 AM
I like to joke a lot but overall I am happy with my kit from Rob. There's always a ton of work in these kits. That's why its so easy to give up. I don't blame the guys for quiting its just very hard to keep that level of commitment up for months and years. Plus the financial commitment. With the advent of forums where information can be shared I think more people will be successful in completing their projects.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 01:01:30 AM
Last picture thanks for looking hope we all move forward on our projects this weekend....dave
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Post by: jb1 on May 19, 2012, 01:40:01 AM
Yeah see the $3000 is just too much for me too. I seen that instrument face where you adapt your Fiero guages. My problem is the I have a 3800 Grand Prix guage set. Its very similar to the Murcielago instrument housing. I have wondered if I can adapt that face to the Lambo. Of course my Tranny is still Fiero so speedometer issues. But I am a long ways from worring about that now.
OK today we made a commitment to rebuild those 3800 engines. The first engine will be $4000 because both heads need to be replaced. The second engine will be $3500 because heads can be redone. Should take 3 weeks to complete the engines. The cam is going to be new. I'll get the build sheets and share. Everything sounded good at the shop. Lol Need to call another shop about rebuilding those superchargers. Heard there was a company that is suppose to be really good.
   4k???   to rebuild a 3800?  and  what is the $500  differance??   I can pick up used 3800- heads for  $40ea all day... I bought  my  99 3800sc with 16k miles  for $400, that has  been 8-9 years ago.... still on engine stand lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 02:31:19 AM
My buddy uses this race shop in our hometown. We took the engine down to the shop and found out we had two small cracks in the head. Was told where the crack occur is common in the 3800. The difference is for two new improved aftermarkets heads. They say that this engine was not balanced very well at factory specs so part of the cost is in the balancing of the engine. There will be a new cam that is set up for higher low end torque. 0-60 mph New rebuild kit for the 3800 is like $800. This will have new pistons, timing chain, basically all new except the block.
 I called two wholesalers for a 3800 engine. Both places had engines in the 100,000 range that were $1600 -$1800 including the computers. Parts Planet has a 3800 Supercharger engine with 180,000 for $2200 in Sacramento. Never found a deal like $400 for a 3800 with 16,000 miles. Even the engine  I bought was $1000 with computer from a guy that had bought the engine back in 2005. I felt that was a great deal. I like to post everything I can about my build including pricing. I feel the race shop that is rebuilding my engine is fair and honest with me. I could actually get my engine rebuilt by another engine shop for $1800 with original specs. But this engine should hover around 400 Hp when we are done. I will actually dyno the car when I'm done. I do want to post the build sheet provided by the speed shop. I still have to rebuild the supercharger so your probably going to have some more to say about that. There's a shop out of state that specializes in these Eaton Series II superchargers.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: jb1 on May 19, 2012, 02:45:52 AM
 Yeah the cracks are real common....  as far as cost,  that is your deal  if you trust them and willing to spend  the money that is the way to go, what cam  etc?  abbott racing heads is  good place to   check about heads, unless  your shop there can do their own cnc porting..  or could check with  zzp  they are well known in the  3800 community http://shop.zzperformance.com/Store/ProductDetails.aspx?itemID=405 (http://shop.zzperformance.com/Store/ProductDetails.aspx?itemID=405)    best of luck  ,   great build thread btw
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on May 19, 2012, 08:17:22 AM
I know where a good low milage SC3800 with trany is right now for $800. I beleive it has around 40 or 50k miles. Car was rear ended and totaled a few months ago. Just putting it out there if you were interested
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on May 19, 2012, 10:13:49 AM
The door cards I have look like they were tape upholstered also lol
I'm sure most of us would quit if we started on the interior so early, surprised you are so positive!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 11:27:11 AM
Yeah Jb1 my business partner is friends with this shop owner. Not like I typically do business. His 57 chevy 350 supercharged engine was built there and will produce massive hp. That's how I know them. In this case I like them to get all the parts that way it's all on them. They turned us on to an engine installer and another guy who's an engine tuner. So it's all good.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 11:42:35 AM
Hey USMC- butler, California is kinda car crazy. Our second motor is coming out of a 2001 Grand Prix. We got the whole car  for $1200 and had to run to get it. Most of the Asanti rims we were looking at are gone. People are car crazy in California. Another buddy I know has $24,000 just in his fricken engine. He just bought a 2007 Aston Martin still got to go over and check it out. I'll post some of those pics too. I like to feel I'm not getting hosed. Things just cost. Next time I will be using another engine combo. But thanks for the heads up seems like a great price
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 11:52:36 AM
Hey Tallon I am fine with my interior. It's going to take a lot of work but we will plow through it. I'll be able to focus on it more soon. Today we are removing the engine cradle out of our other 88 Fiero. This one has a documented rebuilt 5 speed tranny. The guy paid $2200 for rebuilding and installing the tranny, 10,000 miles later we bought the car for $500. Engine had a low end knock in it. Figured out later the car was used for drifting. You got to check out the 18 inch tall turning brake mounted on the console. Cradle is out and we are going to drag it over to my garage. Hey guy I just wanted to say thanks for the input makes me feel like we are all talking in my garage.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 07:50:48 PM
When this car was running it did feel like the tranny shifted well. You could tell the difference between the other Fiero that had 120,000 miles on it. Does anyone know of a place that can rebuild the Fiero transmission? I asked a local tranny guy about rebuilding the second tranny and he said $1400. That seems like a crazy price. This is a 5 speed Getrag/muncie transmission. any ideas? Suggestions?Today we pulled the engine cradle out of the Fiero with the newer transmission. 
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 07:52:39 PM
Nice to have a big hoist. It has wheels so easy to roll around
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 07:55:30 PM
The engine had been removed earlier. It ran but had a low end knock so we pulled it and gave it to a metal salvage guy.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 08:03:05 PM
The engine bay is pretty big. They say the designers had always planned on putting a v-8 in the car.This car was located in Eureka which is on the California coast so the corrosion is pretty bad. The engine red powdercoating on the intake was even peeling off.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 08:04:20 PM
Here's the rear cradle mount
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 08:07:33 PM
Here's the car going up. This is incredible the hoist hook is on the rear trunk latch. 
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 08:11:32 PM
Those brake lines were the only thing holding the back end up. We had already gotten the stainless steel braided lines so it was ok to but the lines.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 08:22:36 PM
The next thing to hold us up was the emergency parking brake. My first reaction was to cut the cable. But I realized since the cable was inside the engine cradle frame I might be able to pull it out and still have enough cable to use with the stretch. Also wondering about the shifter cable. Is that going to be long enough to reach the transmission?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 08:32:23 PM
Finally the car is high enough to roll the cradle out. That's pretty high. First time I've ever done this pretty fun
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 09:05:46 PM
Here's the grimmy corroded engine cradle and Jordan ready for work
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 09:08:27 PM
This is a 24 year old engine cradle probably be the first time human eyes have been laid on it
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 09:09:37 PM
Here's the underside of the engine cradle after being powerwashed
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
That power washer was taking the paint off the metal. Even exposed a crack in the cradle. Appears the front of the cradle hit something very solid causing the transmission mout to tear the metal. So its not back to my house but over to my welder's shop
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 09:16:10 PM
Here's another slight tear that will need to be repaired....Bummer
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
Here's another view of that tear
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 09:20:41 PM
Thought this seam should be welded up. The welder said the seam is suppose to be there to allow some flexing in the metal. its welded on the inside.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 09:29:19 PM
Was also concerned about the welds ending before the end of the seam. But he told me the welds were held back to prevent the metal from tearing. That makes sense. Just learning new stuff everyday
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 09:38:41 PM
Here some pics of the hinge for the rear deck lid. I do have one concern about a rear end collision that could drive the deck lid and hinge into the passenger compartment, That would not be a good thing
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 19, 2012, 09:45:14 PM
Here is the angle iron cut around the body panel. it will act as a sill for the rear deck lid and a mounting points for the batwings.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on May 20, 2012, 12:33:07 AM
Is there a race I'm loosing?!?! You are movin right along! Looks great 8)
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 20, 2012, 01:01:07 AM
Thanks usmc-butler, naw no race here. Lol I had a lot of photos prior to joining Lamboclone. Love posting all the pics I take. My hope is a pic might help someone somewhere. The whole idea to even build these Murcies started on March 20th. So long time. See? Thanks for stopping by...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 20, 2012, 01:25:37 AM
Ok went to dinner and my buddy called me up with the news he was bringing the engine cradle over. I asked was it all done and did it look good? He said sure its done. Guess what he overlooked. The fricken crack! I though maybe this is a joke but not funny as I want to start sanding the engine cradle. Can't paint over a crack. Anyways its back over the welder an I asked him to check it out closely. Lol Here's the batwing support with the end piece still needing to be welded
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 20, 2012, 01:30:57 AM
Here's the rear mount. Man I hope this works I know its a little outside the box but I think we can get it to work.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 20, 2012, 01:38:50 AM
There will be a 1/4 inch metal plate that has been drilled and tapped. Once we get it perfect it will be fiberglassed to the inside of the body
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 20, 2012, 01:41:49 AM
Here is the slice in the body to accept the rear deck lid hinge. Like I said really don't know the right way to do it. Guess there's more than one way to skin a cat...Lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 20, 2012, 01:46:14 AM
Here is the predrilled plate for the backside of the deck lid. It will be welded to the metal frame.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 20, 2012, 01:48:32 AM
The hinge will go this way
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 20, 2012, 01:50:45 AM
and my best reference....a toy? good nite thanks for looking....dave
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Post by: MDMurcy2 on May 20, 2012, 10:16:21 AM
and my best reference....a toy? good nite thanks for looking....dave

LOL....I love it...You gotta have something!   Great work so far.  At least your not scared to keep trying.  Thinking outside the box is what makes each builder unique.  Again.  Great work.  Keep it up. 

Mitch
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 20, 2012, 01:41:30 PM
Thanks MDMurcy2 thanks for the kind words. When I built the Tribute Rumbler many people asked me where did you get the plans? It always intrigued me that people might think someone is selling batmobile plans There are no such plans. I used a toy Tumbler I bought from Walmart. Took pictures of the top sides and front. Input it into the computer and generate paper panels. I would highly suggest anyone building a murcielago might consider buying one of these scale models. Thanks again....Dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: No Bull on May 20, 2012, 06:57:31 PM
I'm sure there has been more than one body built around a laser scanned 1/18 scale model.  :)

Chris
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 21, 2012, 01:05:03 AM
There were some good questions brought up by jb1 in an earlier post. Basically $4000 for a rebuild? and $500 for some heads? I can buy used heads for $40 dollares each and I bought a whole engine for $400 dollars. Well that took me back for a second because I  consider myself to be a pretty good negoitiater. Could I be being duped? Am I really that stupid? am I happily being screwed? Lol I don't think so. So I said I'd get the build sheet and let you know what the heck I'm paying for....
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 21, 2012, 01:31:17 AM
This was really a good question and caused me to look a little closer to what the heck I'm getting. I did say my business partner kinda took charge on this and its not how I generally do business. But here it is. $90 to tear that motor down to each individual components, $150 to bore and hone that 6 cylinder block, $125 to align and hone the main bearings, $125 to deck the v-6 cylinder block, $225 to balance assembly on Hines computerized balancer, $45 to polish the crank shaft, $72 to recondition the big end of rod, R&R piston $72,  $70 to clean and magniflux cylinder heads, valve job $150, install hard exhaust seats $35, Install hard exhaust seats, $90, guide liners $36, install guide liners $102, surface cast iron heads $90, master engine parts kit $869, assemble long block $550, core with new heads  $552, cam and lifter kit $469 and sales tax $152 Equals $3969 and there you go.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on May 21, 2012, 10:32:24 AM
Sounds about right... That will be a new BUILT motor, built by a reputable engine builder, probably with warranty. The ones that were quoted were, used, little to no warranty motors with several miles on them. Sometimes piece of mind, reliability AND can't forget POWER are worth the extra money! That will be the heart of the beast might as well be a good one ;D
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 21, 2012, 11:19:01 AM
Yeah we are getting ready to send the superchargers out to be rebuilt. I'll let you know where and how much when that happens....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 21, 2012, 11:45:14 PM
Thought you guys might enjoy this the original window sticker for the 2009 Murcielago we checked out in Scottsdale. Hope you can read it. I especially like the $5400 Gas Guzzler Tax. What a crappy tax we have there.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 21, 2012, 11:52:55 PM
I wanted to say I'm embarassed by the way my post come up on the front page. Usually I can post in my little world over here and if people want to look that's great. I hope something I post may help someone, somewhere. So I post tonight apologizing for the front page domination. That is not my intention. I wanted to post a little info on fiberglassing. Nothing here was invented by me but everything that was shared with me along the way. I truely hope it helps someone, somewhere.....dave  This is the front bar on the Fiero engine cradle and my welders fix on the bent metal
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 21, 2012, 11:56:51 PM
When the cradle was brought to my house my buddy the welder overlooked this small detail. A big fricken crack that turned into a big hole. Lol   Oh well at least we found it and its right next to the front transmission mount...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 12:03:27 AM
Ok first fiberglassing has to do with the mirrors. Its kinda tough cause you can't easily get behind the inside seam. I did the best I can but now its time to fill the holes that were left. I like to tape off all the area that doesnt need filling for two reasons. First it limits the resin to a smaller area and second it gives me a guide as I'm sanding down the area. Sand through the tape and STOP....
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 12:07:48 AM
 But before you can get to taping theres a few step to start. Its all in the preparation. First I sand down the areas to be fiberglassed to create a rough surface. Making sure I knock off any loose stuff.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 12:10:26 AM
The side under dash piece was cut and had a piece removed to like up with the side part of the dash. Then taped to hold it together. I grinded it with a hand grinder to create a rough surface.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 12:12:39 AM
There's actually some large holes left in the mirrors
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Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 12:13:33 AM
Here's some of the most important safety items I use everytime. Earplugs for the grinder, safety glasses and a mask to prevent inhaling this fiberglass dust. Please use these and save your lungs. I also always use a fan to get the air blowing in one direction. I open the garage door and sidedoor. Everyday the air is blowing a certain way I let the fan help the wind. please do not take your safety guard off the cutting wheel. I had done that for many years until a friend dropped a cutting wheel it ran over his chest and ended up at his shoulder, the wheel cut all the way to the bone. when his co-workers called 911 they told then to use a tournequet and don't wait for the ambulance, drive him directly to the hospital. Luckily the hospital was having a  luncheon for visiting surgeons. They spent 12 hours in surgery to reconnect the arteries that were severed. The next day I threw away my cutting wheels with no guards and bought new ones. I'll never forget that and never remove a safety guard.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on May 22, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
I wanted to say I'm embarassed by the way my post come up on the front page. Usually I can post in my little world over here and if people want to look that's great. I hope something I post may help someone, somewhere. So I post tonight apologizing for the front page domination. That is not my intention. I wanted to post a little info on fiberglassing. Nothing here was invented by me but everything that was shared with me along the way. I truely hope it helps someone, somewhere.....dave

Dave keep it up! Like I said before I enjoy reading on all of your posts every morning. You have no idea how much it motivates us all to see progress being made. I also enjoy seeing the challenges you are overcoming on a daily basis, Im not far behind you (as of now ;D) and our builds are nearly the same setup... Keep it up, Fantastic Job 8)
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 10:44:26 AM
Thank you usmc-butler, your comments give me motivation, This is a freakin love fest...Lol I kid but its like having guys in my garage and we are sharing some ideas. I'm setting up this next section as fiberglassing 101. So if you a master fiberglasser you might want to look away. But these type of info sessions helped me out a lot. I started about 6years ago and the way I learned was I hired really good and expensive guys. Instead of sitting in my house waiting for them to finish I would go out and ask them....Whats you doing? Why are you doing it that way? Whats the name of that tool? why do you use green tape? When your paying them what are they going to say? Get away?. Lol So I learned a lot and some things made sense.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 11:08:21 AM
Creating build logs is great because guys ask you questions and I got to get the answer. My first car that I ever built was the Crimefighter Extreme. It was not too hard because I bought the body but the fiberglass was Horrid. So bad we had to cut the body apart and restraighten the wheel wells. The front right and left wheel wells were off by 2". We also widen  the rear fenders by 4" on each side so it was exactly the width of the movie car. Well when you do one thing it affects another. I saw one gut on MM that had the right idea build the first one to sell then use his experience to build his own for the second one. Well I can tell you by experience once I built the first ones I"m NEVER selling that car. I've had numerous offers but its easy to turn down when your NEVER going to sell the car. I painted it Blood red as a tribute to 911 first responders and take it to charity events for fire departments, police functions and paramedic fundraisers. Just this morning a Sargent from Los Altos police department asked if he could get some pictures to use for police trading card. Of course no problem and no charge. I just like to thank them for their service. Their appreciation is way more valuable than money.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: autopro on May 22, 2012, 11:25:58 AM
Dave keep it up, please don't stop.  Your pictures are giving me so many ideas and useful information on how to do thing you just can't imagine.  If it weren't for people like you not many people would finish their projects or get the motivation to work on them.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 11:30:55 AM
Last comment I got on Youtube about the Crimefighter was  "red sucks!!!" I was cracking up laughing. 2 years of building, hours of research and working for free (cause I'm Never going to sell It ) and it all comes down to that. Its still funny to me....
The Tribute Rumbler was built as a tribute to the men and women in the armed forces. It wasnt always that way. It took a year of research and 3 1/2 years to build. Many times along the way I wanted to just quit. One Sunday when I was telling my pastor I definitely was going to quit he's the one that suggested I make it a tribute vehicle. He said we are all willing to work harder for others than we will for ourselves. That suggestion gave me the strength to finish what I started. So dedicate your car to your son, daughter, breast cancer awareness something you care about. Tell everyone what your doing. You will not fail. You will work with new vigor to complete your project. Make a tribute to something or someone you really care. My motto went from I'm going to quit to "build it or die trying"!!! again my humble suggestion...dave
Tribute Rumbler
 
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 11:48:44 AM
Thank you autopro really appreciate the kind words. So here's the most important thing about fiberglass "adhesion". Its got to hold. The worst thing in the world is to finish days of work on a panel. Sand and paint it.... attach it and its done. Then suddenly while showing off your car in the hot sun at a major car show the fiberglass starts to delaminate. Its sickening. There's nothing you can do. Its happen to me a number of times. The saddest part is its preventable. You got to have good adhesion. Fiberglass is a wonderful product. Its made up of three major thing, Fiberglass mesh, resin and catalyst. that's it!!  The most common mesh to us is the random pattern mesh. Right away someone is going to suggest multipul plies, woven mesh, carbon fiber, kelvar mesh....no no no. Start out with random or unoriented fiberglass mat. Start out simple its easier to get the resin to saturate it. Tap Plastics. You can buy it by the yard
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 12:03:42 PM
Resin... we are looking for polyester resin. Epoxy resin is used for carbonfiber. Walmart sells it and so does Lowes and Home depot but don't buy it there. The resin is very thick like honey and its harder to saturate the mesh. I used it for a year before someone told me that one. Tap Plastic has polyester resin and it flows like pancake syrup. SOOOOO much easier to work with. Plus the little tube of catalyst they give you at Lowes is so little its made to frustrate the crap out of you. You notice how they have so many tubes of catalyst for sale. Get the 3 inch tall container that comes from Tap Plastic. Already has a hole it it so you just squeeze and go.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 12:18:17 PM
Next thing we need is good disposable gloves. Last Sunday I used like 10 pairs. Their cheap. But these are the best brand. Walmarts gloves suck....cheap gloves will drive you crazy, Don't be driven crazy. I do buy the cheappie $1 paint brushes that are in the bins from Lowes. Don't buy them if they don't have plastic sleeves over the bristles. that just means some kid may have brushed their oily face with it. Remember "adhesion"
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 12:25:39 PM
Next thing I like is acetone now you can buy it at Lowes or walmart I do but I was told it sometimes is recycled. The guy who told me that worked at AutoIndustrial paint so maybe a conflict or a way to justify his exotic first time used virgin squeezed acetone. I did buy one gallon when I painted the Crimefighter but I regularly buy it from Walmart or Lowes. I do brush it on and don't use rags in my shop just like the Ferrari Shop but that's about the only thing we have in common. No Rags Its weird with acetone it just evaporates so not a good thing to inhale or wash your hands with.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 12:33:21 PM
Made me think of a funny story. When I was in the Navy as an electronics technician we would always have the Newbie's grab some acetone (acid...joke) out of a 55 gallon drum. We'd give them a syrafoam cup and tell them to be very careful not to spill any of it on themselves. Halfway back we would hear this blood hurtling scream as the acetone ate through the bottom of the cup and spilled acetone all over them. That's what we were doing with your hard earned taxes in the Navy.
Now gatorade containers are the best throw away containers for acetone(input brush) and resin. Just cut the top off, clean out the gatorade and swish a little acetone in there to remove contaminates.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 01:45:45 PM
I like to use a clean piece of cardboard to saturate the resin onto the mat with. after I'm done its easy clean up. Try to avoid a crease in the cardboard as it will sometimes bend and drop your saturated strip at the most unoportune times. If you drop a piece LET IT GO....The goal is to do little batches and work with small goals so you have plenty of time to work with. Haste makes waste. The materials are relatively cheap its your time to redo things that costs.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on May 22, 2012, 03:49:18 PM
I learned more in that 10 minutes reading then I did my whole MOS school in the Marines :o! Keep it coming.... :)!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 09:10:55 PM
Thanks usmc-butler, thats very nice to say. I hope to get the rest of the pics up tonight. Here is a roll of fiberglass its important to keep it wrapped up and every time you touch it you should be wearing gloves. I only cut what I need. When I am going to fiberglass I lay out the strips with a 2 inch overlap before I make resin. I try to do four strips at a time and two times per resin batch. Like I said very little goals. You can alway mix another batch. The opposite of what I do would be to pour half a gallon of resin and add the catalyst. Then start cutting strips and figure out where to lay the strips. Oh yeah I did that before.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 09:28:25 PM
In this case I just had one strip and I let it overhang over the piece I needed to fiberglass. I did have some other parts on the mirrors that needed to have some fiberglass filler. So that was going to finish out my batch. After the resin sets up its easy to trim the ends
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 09:31:22 PM
The next step is to acetone the areas that are going to be fiberglassed then after it dries tape off the good area. The  tape gives a border to where the work is being done. A focus. After the repair much of the tape will be removed as you slowly sand down to it. So use the tape as a guide. in this pic it is too shallow to put in fiberglass mesh. If its laid in there the sanding would cut through a lot of the mesh. In this case I'm going to use some chopped mesh and powdered fiberglass
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 09:56:47 PM
Usually I just cut up some fiberglass mesh but thought I would give this a try. I think cutting it up is just as good.Although this is woven and saturated quickly
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 09:58:54 PM
The one strip is waiting to be covered in resin. Usually i will do 4 pieces at a time.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 10:00:14 PM
Mixing the resin. Its hard to say exactly how much catalyst to add but after a while you figure it out. More is better than less and here's why. If you add too little the fiberglass may never set up properly. It will just stay wet and goopy. If you add a little too much it will set up rapidly and you may lose a little resin and mesh but the stuff you put down will set up good. With my 2 inches of resin in a gatorade container its one full squirt and then a quarter squirt. When that catalyst hits the resin the clock starts. Not the time to answer the phone or leisurely talk to your friend.Its better to be standing around saying wow I got that laid down pretty fast than to be trying to beat the resin set up. Once it sets up and starts to solidify put your brush down your done. Drop you brush in the acetone container and start removing the globby mess no big deal.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 10:24:02 PM
The resin can be brushed heavily onto the mesh until its fully saturated. Then lift with brush and gloved hand. As you set the fiberglass strip work the bubbles fron the middle outward. Bubbles are the work of the devil and will cause your project to lose adhesion. Don't over do the resin it has no strength. The strength is in the saturated fiberglass. Gobs of resin just makes the job look sloppy. No strength.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 10:25:20 PM
Now thats brushed and looking sweet
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 10:34:15 PM
The chopped mesh and powder fiberglass was added to the rest of the first batch of resin and working fast I'm building up the areas that need filled. Now you could fill it with bondo but fiberglass is stonger and lighter. Minimum bondo should be used on your project. The main reason is shrinkage. Fiberglass panels and fiberglass filler will expand and contract at the same rate under say a hot sun. Bondo and fiberglass will expand and contract at different rates.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 10:41:19 PM
its important to build the area up higher than you need it to finish. If its too low you will have to do it again. Putting layers and layers of fiberglass is not good either.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 22, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Today was a good day. I was able to get my motorcycle project over to the weld shop. The Coupe is getting really close to being brought to my house. I did get my rims today and they look perfect.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:05:26 AM
looks pretty cool huh. Well here's the batwing frame set-up. Obviously this goes on the underside
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:07:44 AM
There is the underside where a piece of angle iron is mounted. It will act as a support for the rear deck lid and a hinge point for the batwings. for some reason I've noticed the batwing does not fully set down. Looks like I will have to cut the body to create an area where the batwing can sit more fully flush. I wondering is the sides of my batwings too tall? Or is there a problem with the seat on the body?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:20:36 AM
Here is the rear deck lid functioning correctly. The louvers will be replaced with glass so they are really throwing the lid off.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:23:01 AM
The angle is turned down on the inside of the engine bat. This allows the batwings to be hinged in further than the edge of the batwing,
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:24:43 AM
Here is the hinge slit through the cabin. I have another idea to keep the hinge off the fiberglass
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:27:46 AM
here is the angle iron and it has a mounting base that bolts through the cabin into a plate that has been drilled and tapped. It will eventually be fiberglassed into place.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:29:38 AM
Here is where the frame will be eventually placed. I like the fact that the fiberglass will be able to bend over the edge of the steel without a sharp angle. I just hope its sturdy enough for what I need.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:36:34 AM
Here is an interior view of the rear deck hinge. It was important that it nox exceed past the rollbar
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:38:18 AM
Here's a pic of the driver side hinge.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:40:37 AM
Here is the engine cradle fully stripped. I will take it by the powdercoating shop and have it sandblasting and powdercoated gloss black.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:43:27 AM
I was concerned about two stress cracks in the aluminum clutch housing. Hope its not a structural crack
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:47:23 AM
got some additional parts to sandblast but not going to powdercoat yet. These will just be painted. After I secure some rims I will be able to determine how much longer the axles will need to be made to get the rims and tires in the correct place.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:49:43 AM
The mirrors are close to being done. The mirror motors are from a 98 camaro and they seem to fit OK.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 12:53:48 AM
Both mirror housing just need a little tweaking for the bodywork. The base plate for the mirrors willl have to get installed after the door skins are attached. Again thanks for looking...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on May 23, 2012, 08:56:50 AM
Everything looks great...! Event the new wheels :o


Do you ever sleep?!  ???
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 10:24:02 AM
Hey usmc-butler, yeah the wheels are off my motorcycle project. Some of my buddies rolled them around to give me a look. Everyone was saying it would be  great for Pismo beach. Thanks for the kind word...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Onewickedsvt on May 23, 2012, 10:29:39 AM
Info on hinges!!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on May 23, 2012, 10:59:14 AM
Looking good so far
Does your hatch have any side to side movement at all? Mine seems to have a little even with the shocks attached but not sure how to keep it from doing it.

For the batwings, those sides weren't made with the body so you have to slot body to allow the height. The wing sides that used to come with the body were plain and too short.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 04:00:20 PM
hey Onewickedsvt, the hinges were custom made  using a plasma cutter out of 1/4 plate steel. We used a 1/18 scale Murcielago as the model to go by. The front hood has C-hinges that we made as I wanted my hood to open forward. The batwings will also have C-hinges as we have figured out the optimum pivot point for these lids seems to lie right in front of the edge of the lid.
OK Tallon that makes sense because when the batwing goes down it doesn't fit flush I was thinking about slicing the fiberglass body to accept the lid. Then taping the edge of the batwing before I fiberglass the body so that the fit is narrow and tight. I'll also install a small tube within the fiberglass at the lowest point of the new edge. Its not really for rain but after washing the car the water can be directed to a point below the body so water is not held in that holder or dripping through a simple drain hole.
I think the side to side motion of the hatch has alot to do with the length of the hinge as it mounts to the hatch. If the length of the mounting hinge was 2 inches you would have a lot of movement. It the mounts were 3 feet long the movement would be greatly reduced. I try and think of problem solutions in extremes that way I can figure out which way to go. You can also put a truss to the side of your hinge that would brace the hatch. All of this might not be necessary since installing the lifting shocks will help to stabilize the hatch. I can tell you I have another problem I tend to overbuild things so we will cuts two of the cross bracing to "lighten" the hatch. Isn't this fun? Lol Hope that made sense. Dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 04:16:01 PM
So today the mirrors are finished except the mounts I need the car here for that. We also cut the brace under the front of the instrument pod. I just doesn't fit right. Took  the engine cradle and rear arms over to my buddy's powdercoating shop. Going to go gloss black on the cradle and all the control arms will be sandblasted only. We will paint them because I will eventually be trading them out for upgraded ones when I can figure out how far to extend the axles. Need rims for that...hint...hint
Looking for real lambo rims. Ordered an upgraded sway bar from West Coast Fiero. Chris was trying to talk me out of it but my original sway bar is rusted and pitted. By the time I sand blasted and powdercoated it I'd rather put that money towards a new bigger one $195 with the connectors. Went to pick and pull to get some shocks. Got two from a Seville and two from a camaro and a Roadmaster latch.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 11:53:49 PM
Ok got a few pics. I started out just wanting to clean up the engine cradle and throw a coat of paint on it to completely tearing it down and having the engine cradle sandblasted and powdercoated. How did that happen?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 11:55:06 PM
Here we needed to cut the whole cross piece off so that the instrument pod could set properly on the dash. This was really weird because that piece was holding the pod off at a weird angle. So i will have to rebuild that fiberglass piece from scratch but then it will be a perfect match.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 23, 2012, 11:59:48 PM
With the pod on I think you can see the problem. The piece wont set down even if I were to trim the back. So off it goes
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 24, 2012, 12:05:09 AM
Here we are cutting the only LP640 dash I own....Nervous got to grind down the fiberglass before we cut
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 24, 2012, 12:07:29 AM
It really did fit well. I'll post as I reshape it..
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 24, 2012, 12:11:04 AM
got the batwing hinged
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Post by: batbuilder on May 24, 2012, 12:12:37 AM
here's a peek at the batwings. Appears to work pretty good.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 24, 2012, 12:17:40 AM
Got the gas shocks on and working. They bolted up even to the Fiero hatch hinge mount.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 24, 2012, 12:21:39 AM
Last pic of the night. The mount on the deck lid frame Thanks for looking....dave
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Post by: italianknightrider on May 24, 2012, 03:57:46 AM
dash looking good ,once that piece is removed from the main dash the pod can now sit lower an seat off inside the opening
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 24, 2012, 10:02:10 AM
hey italianknightrider, I'm a big fan of your build. So is this dash not fitting a common thing? We looked under and over and what if we trimmed this or cut this before we realized it ain't gonna fit. I'm hoping I will be able to fiberglass that bridge piece back in there soon. Last night I was dreaming about a way to hold the dash together after the upholstery is put on. I want that dash to stay tight even if I do a ''dukes of hazard' jump. Drives me nuts when everything is shaking when your driving down the road. The pod did sit nice and flush once that piece was removed. Just noticed we had shaved too much of the inside corner off the trim piece so that will have to be relengthened. Have an idea for the mirror mounts on the mirror. So hope to get that cut today. We are going to screw this dash together with some hidden stainless allen bolts then kick it around the garage to see if it stays together!!! Sorry about that Rob just kidding there. Thanks again for the kind words....dave
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Post by: dratts on May 24, 2012, 10:19:12 AM
IKR,  I have your dash and gauge cluster pod.  Unfortunately I sent it to the upholstery shop and now I have the same fitting problem.  I wish that I had cut it apart and fitted it before the upholstery.  I'm hoping that I can peal the upholstery back and reglass it for a proper fit.  Should I do the same refit technique?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on May 24, 2012, 10:35:14 AM
Doesn't that bridge get removed altogether? You need to frame mount the whole dash anyway to keep it solid  :-\
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: dratts on May 24, 2012, 10:49:48 AM
I'm pretty sure that we need the bridge.  I'm not going to do the "dukes of hazards" jump and the dash is secure enough for me.  It's just that there is a large gap between the gauge cluster pod and that bridge underneath it.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 24, 2012, 01:02:30 PM
Oh this is good dratts, I thought it was just me. Yeah I would say it's a good idea to create a new bride Tallon just to keep the alignment of both sides of the dash. We found a dip at the back of the pod that does not seem tight. It pulls the pod down towards the left side. Since I've not had it in my car yet I don't know for sure. I do have that fiberglass tab in the back that slips under the dash kinds indicating that it should be attached to the dash. I've found in the past that securing the dash in strategic locations will give it a solid fit. By attaching the pod to the chassis and separate attachments to the dash you may get that solid rock mount on the pod and movement of the dash. And you won't be able to do a dukes of hazard jump....lol just kidding about that.on my last build I did a lot of finish painting before stuff was really done and paid for it with scratches and mis drilled areas. I promised myself not to do that again especially when the finish has to look like a $400,000 car. Little things like screws that don't belong really give it that kit car look. I look at my Mazda 3 I'm sitting in now and all of the attachment points of the dash to chassis are hidden. It's like how the hell is this attached? Each attachment by itself is pretty weak but the combination of all the attachment points make it a pretty solid structure. Will have to go to Pic-N-Pull and tear some stuff apart....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 24, 2012, 01:15:18 PM
I used a technique taught to me using fiberglass panels that you drill and tap. Then using stainless steel button head bolts you can tighten it up. If by chance you over tighten and strip it it's very easy to fill with fiberglass powder and resin then  redrill it. Once you strip aluminum the easiest is just bolt it in with a nut. Steel has to be pretty thick to tap like our hinge mount plates are 1/4". I like the ability to tack weld the nuts on the back of the sheet steel but then it's too heavy. So fiberglass for me on the panels. Another issue is the dash panels are individually upholstered to keep that expensive look. But then they have to be assembled to look right.   Just my two cents thinking out loud. Thanks for looking hope you like the pics. Was thinking about postin some gas pod pics if you don't mind...Dave
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Post by: Murci-Me on May 24, 2012, 04:36:11 PM
The bridge that goes across the the pod area at the front of the dash can stay if you are using the G28 pod. If you are using a 2 piece pod (like OEM) the bridge needs to be removed.
The left side of the dash is the wrong angle to meet up with the pod, so that needs to be fixed, along with the area for the 5 button switches.
The dash mounts at the leading edge (where it meets with the defroster panel), on the sides of the dash, and where the upper and lower dash pieces meet on each side of the pod.
I know whay you guys are thinking right now,....."what the heck is he talking about?"
There is alot of work that needs to be done to these dashes before they can be installed. If you have one, you know that its just a basic piece of fiberglass with no mounting/mating flanges, and no way to attach it to the car. I will see if I can find some pictures and modify them to show what needs to be done for mounting.
Remember though, theres no point mounting your dash untill your doors are done. You need to have your doors done in order to mount your door cards on them, and get them in the right position on the door. Once that is done, the dash can be fitted to match the door cards, shifting the dash side to side or back and forth to match up with the cards and get an equal gap on each side between the dash and cards. It cant (and I mean impossible) be done the other way. The door cards only fit in one position on the door, they cant be shifted to meet up with the dash.
Always remember (always!) to allow for your upholstery thicknesses when fitting unupholstered (fiberglass) pieces.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on May 24, 2012, 05:19:19 PM
I pulled a dash from a kia rio, cheap car, some of the screws seem impossible to get to even after taking out 30 screws it was still solid. Crazy. Had to cut it up to fully remove it but I didn't need it in good condition anyway. And none of the attachments were weak in this car even though they looked it. Maybe I'm just a newbie at pulling cars apart.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 24, 2012, 07:00:44 PM
Yes Murci-Me you are 100% right. It's like you have done this before.Lol yeah the cut in the bridge the dip to the left and the lack of mounting points is right on.yeah I was already of the opinion that the doors HAVE to be done before any interior parts could go on cause like you say where is the dash suppose to go.thanks for chiming in and letting me know I'm not crazy I'm just working with crazy puzzles. The width between the hand hold and  the the other piece is far wider than the actual dash. I have been considering cutting the console and widening it to fit to the grab bar piece but like you said nothing can be set until the door cards are on. Can't wain to get the car over to my garage to play with that.... Thanks for looking....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 25, 2012, 12:12:14 AM
Yeah Tallon, one of my favorite things is to take cars apart. Its always amazing how all the little connections make up a strong piece. But there is a lot to learn about the innovated ways the car manufacturers put interiors together. I remember reading an article about hotrods where they were suggesting that people put interiors in from Lexus, Acuras and Infinity because of the fine fit. I'm hoping to get a good upholsterer to give me a hand getting the interior dialed in.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 03:15:33 AM
Took a good nap today so I'm awake enough to post some progress pics. Here I am lengthening the tabs between the upper and lower dash pieces. The tab was curled on the upper dash so it needed to be cut off and now I will lengthen them by putting a piec of plastic sheeting between the two.Then fiberglass both the upper and lower.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 03:26:48 AM
Here is a better pic of the curled fiberglass tab making it impossible to install screws
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Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 03:28:31 AM
Here are the back of the door cards
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Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 03:29:59 AM
The fiberglassing of these interior seams is a tough one to do but I have an idea. Its just so crazy it might just work
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 03:34:00 AM
Here is the inside of the door card again. I need to be able to wrap the piece with vinyl and then be able to positively mount it to the main panel. Some pieces may be carbon fibered and some will be wrapped in vinyl
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 03:40:18 AM
The whole tab is pretty small
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 03:41:57 AM
Here's a new crazy project. I have some seats but in looking at some of the pics on Robs CD I felt maybe I could do this. And I think the seats would look pretty good that way. I want to attach the fiberglass headrest a little different than Robs pics. But first got to strip some of this foam. I saw some earlier posts concerning Robs pics and its not really a "how to" CD but its true what they say a picture can say a hundred words. Even if something is not done the right way.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 03:57:01 AM
The zipper that holds the seat cover on.
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Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 03:59:16 AM
The seat cover removed and the foam ready for cutting
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Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 04:03:18 AM
Here is a pic of the rear deck lid. I am making it as an opening lid so we will have access to the original fiero trunk
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 04:06:31 AM
Here are the hinge they are a little different being mounted from the end. The mounting plate is on the outside. There's also and inside plate drilled and tapped so the fiberglass is sandwiched between the two plates. Works great...That long rod is our temporary latch opener but all my latches are electric.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 28, 2012, 04:18:39 AM
There are two different angles on the hinge assembly. Going back to pic-n-pull for some more lifts and latching mechanism, getting close to removing the body for the final welding of the rollcage. Thanks for looking...
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Post by: Tallon on May 28, 2012, 11:21:00 AM
Did you find out how much of the door card needs modifying to fit the door opening yet?  ::rocker
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Post by: usmc_butler on May 29, 2012, 08:43:31 AM
Looking good!  ::thumbup
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 30, 2012, 01:18:31 AM
Hey Tallon, yeah I have been working on the connection of the door pieces on the main door card. We are hoping to be able to tow the No Mercy back to my house. My first priority are those doors. Thats going to be crazy hard I can  tell....dave
Thanks usmc-butler. Appreciate the kind word...dave
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Post by: batbuilder on May 30, 2012, 01:39:39 AM
Got buried with work for the last week but finally digging myself out of it. Hopefully tomorrow will be a day I can get some fiberglassing done. Pics to follow....Decided to try and attack that seat. was going to skip it but I think it will look good as I can get r done
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Post by: batbuilder on May 31, 2012, 12:41:38 AM
Big day today. Spent most of the day fiberglassing dash, door panels, mirror mounts and cutting in the door handle then the big event was towing the "No Mercy" back to the house. The tow went really smooth. The bat wing flew  up one time but other than that just a smooth tow. Here's a couple pics but I'll post some soon just too late....Thanks for looking Oh also got the engine cradle back from the powder coaters..
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 12:43:40 AM
Here is a pic of the dash where we are extending the lip between the upper and lower part. Used a piece of reinforce plastic from Lowes to act as a form between the two lips. The original were so curled they were useless. With the new wider lip we will be able to screw the two parts together especially when vinyl is installed
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 12:44:38 AM
The left side of the dash were the switches are didn't even have a lip. so I will have to use the lower panel lip to create a lip for the upper part
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 12:47:18 AM
Here is the door handle for the side door. I've been thinking about attachment possibilities and have come up with the idea of using expantion foam used for making molds as a way of creating an attachment area. Don't follow me yet on this idea as I'm not 100% sure it will work the way I plan.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 12:51:00 AM
This pic shows the two arm rest side by side before we start trimming the foam.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 12:54:27 AM
Here is another pic of the seat we are trimming the fiberglass to adapt to the seat. I did have a couple pics from Robs CD to use as a guide but we went way different on the cutting and attachment of this piece.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 12:55:27 AM
The front piece of the headrest in Robs pic is completely cut away except the outside frame. Then the back piece has the two little holes and you see the back piece almost like a channel. Honestly if I did not have those pics it was hard to make heads or tails out of these pieces and i think thats why my first reaction was to skip the seats.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 01:00:17 AM
Here is the back piece and its pretty obvious where you cut out the fiberglass.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 01:02:19 AM
Even trying to guess where the foam needed to be cut and where the attachment is made is pretty vague from the pics
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 01:08:39 AM
Here's a pic of my business partner's corvette and the wheels/tires I get to have once he gets his new rims. Need to have the bigger rims just to get the 13 inch brakes installed. Got the 13 inch brake upgrade from Paul Smith and I'm very impressed with his business practices. Can't say much on the disc conversion as it is still in the boxes. But they look great. I had them drilled for the 5x100mm and the 5x4 3/4 lug pattern.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 01:11:19 AM
Here are the latches we got from pick n pull for this project and our near future project. We also have a linear actuator off a cadillac we will try and use on the door latch
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 01:13:08 AM
Also got a couple pairs of air shocks for the hood and rear deck lids
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 01:16:37 AM
I got to be one of the biggest dorks since I didn't even notice the two sides are different and I need to ask you guys what's up with that. Why does the one side have that open louver?
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 01:17:46 AM
Here is a plate my buddy welded in to hold the power window mechanism but after looking at jets303 ongoing power window build I may not need this. Its just tack welded for now.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 01:21:23 AM
Here is the top of the seat cut off and the metal all grinded for the best bonding of the fiberglass
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 01:25:13 AM
The back is trimmed and fitted to the Fiero seat
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Post by: batbuilder on June 01, 2012, 01:26:57 AM
Here;s just another pic of the seat, Thanks for looking....dave
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Post by: jb1 on June 01, 2012, 03:30:08 AM
Looks great Dave , keep up the good work! ::beers
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Post by: Tallon on June 01, 2012, 06:48:16 AM
I got to be one of the biggest dorks since I didn't even notice the two sides are different and I need to ask you guys what's up with that. Why does the one side have that open louver?

:S ask lambo
you don't look at many murcie pics do you? lol
you do have to make the little slot on the passenger side one though (if you want)
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:07:05 AM
Hey jb1 thanks I'm trying my best to share what I can. But like I said you may not want to look at my car as an example Lol
Hey Tallon, yeah I am so new to this whole Murcielago thing I don't even know what I don't know. Lol
It seems like there are so many variations between the years and accessories. Then you got guys customizing their cars and replicas. Mind boggling for my simple mind. Couple that with the fact I'm in the swimming pool business and guess when we are the busiest. But trying to do the best I can. I got a couple really good guys working with me. Thanks for looking...dave
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:12:12 AM
Here's my little bridge under the  instrument pod
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:14:56 AM
The plastic between the lip are to prevent the two sides from bonding together. My goal is to wrap the top dash in vinyl and have a big area here where I can screw both pieces together
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:15:44 AM
Here is the arm rest with two fiberglass panels that will be fiberglassed in so I can attach the button head screws into a solid piece of fiberglass. Oh its sitting on a 1/2 sized Dark Knight Tumbler replica I am building. Lots of fiberglassing fun.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:19:42 AM
The arm rest is fiberglassed on the inside. OK before you ask what the heck is dave doing give me some time to finish it. I have a crazy idea on how to make the door more accessible. Yeah its so crazy it just might work. i've been going a little backward on the door trying to straighten it out. I still have pics on that to show.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:24:25 AM
This has absolutely nothing to doe with the "No Mercy". Parts for the bat bike...Lol
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:26:49 AM
Here is the right dash piece sunbathing in the sun. Fits a lot better. The door is there because we accidently cut the door handle out in the wrong place. Hey it happens...
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:31:03 AM
The door handle that was cut in the right position
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:33:15 AM
Here is a fiberglass panel that will be mounted to the mirror. Reason I do this is the replica mirror has no give if it is severly struck. So rather than have bolts tear the door off I use a piece of fiberglass panel to act as a sacrificial mount meaning it will break before the door. Since it is fiberglass its easily repaired. The goal is still not to severly stick the mirror. Thats my reasoning
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:39:04 AM
Here is the underside. The piece will be installed with resin and powder fiberglass.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:40:53 AM
The little bridge is going to be an exact copy of the underside of the instrument pod
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:44:47 AM
Here's the second handrest being readied for the fiberglassing
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:47:26 AM
Here's a little fiberglass mess but it will sand up fine
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:49:36 AM
The mirror mounts are a pretty tight fit
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:52:08 AM
Got the engine cradle back from the powdercoater it looks fantabulous...
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Post by: batbuilder on June 02, 2012, 01:54:13 AM
It was $150 to sandblast and powdercoat the engine cradle and sandblast all the rear suspension links
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Post by: No Bull on June 02, 2012, 04:46:23 PM
Looks better than brand new.

I like to see this level of detail spent on items you don't normally as it says volumes for the work that you will see.

Keep the updates coming please?

Chris
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 01:13:29 PM
Thanks Chris I appreciate your kind words. I want to share my tow bar system which worked out great. And the doors. I'm using a lot of info from Jetts build log. That has helped me to understand where I have to go. I hope to be able to share more info and be a good contributer. Thanks again those comments keep me posting...dave
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 04:48:17 PM
Here is a shot of the Batwing hinge assembly, Lining up the rear part of the door and the charger grill I got for the side intake.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 04:49:10 PM
The grill looked too nice to cut up but thats the plan. has anyone tried to use a similar grill for the front grills? I saw a honeycomb grill on a newer Dodge ram truck. Wonder if that would work for me? Got a pair of rear grills on ebay that are being shipped but was hoping to use them to fabricate a set of rear grill.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 04:51:53 PM
Initially tried to center the door but found that as soon as we lifted the door the front corner was close to the fender. So we moved the door as far back as we can and will add fiberglass on the front of the door skin. Oh you can see the framing on the seat in the car that came out nice with the solid tubing and the strap steel where the lambo embossing usually goes. Hey does anyone have any ideas on how to emboss that lambo logo for the seat?....dave
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 04:59:46 PM
So here is the door latch cut from the door. You can see we haven't flush the door skin to the outside of the body yet. Thats how far that fricken door skin sets out. Oh well time to start relieving the fiberglass to refiberglass it closer. Its a lot of cutting you may want to turn away if you have a sensitive stomach...lol
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 05:07:11 PM
Here is how its suppose to look( without the guy pressing the corner down) Now it was suggested to me to just use a piece of metal to pull it down. I personnally think its better to relieve the fiberglass to where you want it. Fiberglass has a memory of where it wants to stay shaped. I think temperature and vibration will play together to help the door pull its self away from the body again...
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 05:08:26 PM
Here is the point where the door meets the windshield post. I feel there should be a piece of weatherstripping there to isolate the cabin from the outside. My body has no such tab here. My thought is to create a tab along this windshield post so that weather stripping can go all the way around. Now my piece of weather stripping I got from Rob only goes from the top of the windshield to the upper corner of the door. Counterclockwise. Supposedly off a lincoln town car? But it still appears to be too short to me. But hey that was given to me for free. You do definitely need it to know where to set the interior door skin.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 05:15:01 PM
The is a huge Grand Canyon gap between the front of the door and the fender but that will be fairly easy to extend like Jett did.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 05:20:35 PM
Here is where you may want to have children and sensitive stomachs turn away from the computer. These are a series of slices intended to motivate the inner door skin to move closer to the body. The tape is where the hole for the latching mechanism needs to be fill. And its big. So double layer of fiberglass matting here overlapped heavy to the inner door.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 05:23:38 PM
The missing latch mounting area is outined to know where it generally is so that I can fiberglass further than the black marker lines. Slightly larger is a good thing. Too short is a bad thing. Like all things in life...
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 05:25:02 PM
Here is where the cutter of fiberglass went crazy. Thats kind of a big hole for a little shaft. Whoa that sounds bad. But really what happened here. So the tape is to act as a guide and a backing for the new fiberglass. The hinge is OK to fiberglass in but I have to admit I didn't go heavy here just incase I have to cut it out for some reason. Where the paintstick is the fiberglass needed to be cut to allow the bottom to tilt back down as it was tilting up. Paintsticks are screwed in to hold it in place. The sticks are free and after we are done we can still use them to stir fiberglass resin. I'm being green. Its funny cause when I went to Walmart I got a Gatorade and 20 stir sticks. Their free!!!
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 05:30:16 PM
The rear bottom corner was tilted upwards too and needed to be moved downward. The paint sticks screwed in from the top and bottom help to stabilize the cut pieces just enough to fiberglass.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 05:37:45 PM
Here is the front inner panel of the door being punished for sticking out too far....
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 05:42:19 PM
All this re curving of the door panels stems from the fact that the door panels are made in seperate molds. It they were made with the body the alignment would be perfect but then the inner sills would have to be installed. Makes sense that the window frame would be farther away from the body when you consider that the molds will slowly flatten out without someone rechecking the measurements. But who has time for that? Its common and not unusual.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 05:43:39 PM
Here is a closer view of the cutting required to drop the inner panel piece
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 05:46:23 PM
Here is a closer view of the hole that needed to be patched for the gas shock shaft
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Post by: autopro on June 03, 2012, 09:18:59 PM
Does it look like the charger grill will be a good fit?  I hope it is because this is a very good option and not that expensive.

You are doing an awesome job documenting your build and it is going to be very helpful once I start with my own, thanks ::thumbup
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Post by: Tallon on June 03, 2012, 10:13:45 PM
Love this thread, thanks for showing all your glass work!
Is it necessary to have the bottom of the inner door all the way down? I thought it just needs to rest on the weather stripping and the outer skin covers the gaps? I understand the top of the door, though.
Thanks
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Hey autopro, thanks for looking. the charger grill was like  35 bucks and the easy thing would be to cut the edges off but I think you will like what we do with the end pieces. Were kinda jumping around but we will be back on the grills tomorrow. Today I spent a couple hours fiberglassing the head rests. They are going to be fricken sturdy. Hope you like what we did....dave
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Post by: batbuilder on June 03, 2012, 11:59:02 PM
Hey tallon yeah I agree with that but the bottom of my inner door was warped upwards. When you see my plans for the inner door it will make sense why I needed to straighten them out. This was probably caused by the warp in the mold. Once the fiberglass sets up the only way to correctly straighten it out is to release the memory of the fiberglass. I'll show those pics next... Thanks for looking and chimming in. Jetts build really helped me understand the procedure. We ended up lowering the threshold moulding because it actually caught your feet when you spin in. Now its a little too low. Weird thing about the threshold weatherstripping is the door goes down and slides by the molding rather than resting on the weatherstripping. I think thats weird.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 12:21:05 AM
Here another pic of the hinge and the gas shock sleeve. Not really super happy with the hinge but I does work and we can tighten it up using some copper washers.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 12:25:11 AM
The corner where the bottom and face of the inner door meet had to be cut and fiberglassed to let the bottom tilt down.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 12:29:05 AM
Here is the long shot of the door.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 12:33:08 AM
Here is the mess I made with the fiberglass. Came out pretty good
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 12:42:19 AM
The latching area is supported by foam board and tape to create an approximate replica of what was cut off and thown in the trash can. It will need a couple more fiberglassing sessions to get it correct.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 12:47:44 AM
This is the lower corner that was a little off. The plate steel was put on there for a possible support for the power window motor. Its tack welded because it may be in the wong place.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 12:52:12 AM
Here is where the paint stick was screwed in to keep the cuts aligned. I fiberglassed around it so now with the stick removed I can go ahead and finish the job. I sand the area again because the glass is set up and even acetone the area to get maximum adhesion. I will overlay two pieces of mat to tie everything together.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 12:59:09 AM
The second layer of resin started to set up on me and not laying down correctly so it will have to be grinded off. Usually I can tell when I have seconds left as the resin first stiffens then starts to clump. Best thing to do its scrape it off and and toss it. Now I have to sand and relay the layer when i knew better. Live and learn....
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 01:11:04 AM
Here the corner was missed and now will have to be sand and relaid.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 01:13:04 AM
The two areas are sanded and ready to be relaid
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 01:16:12 AM
Here is the tow bar I incorporated into the front skidplate. It worked effortlessly on our 20 mile tow.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 01:23:01 AM
The reciever bars are welded to the frame on the front. I wanted the tow bar because with my Testarossa replica I ran into situations where guys refused to tow it because it was too low. I had to wait for an hour for a tow bed truck to show up and even that was too high for my car. So now I will never have to wait.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 01:26:09 AM
We have ears on the bar so that it can't be over lifted and hit the hood.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 01:28:44 AM
The tow bar was set up for the Chevy truck we will use for towing
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 01:32:35 AM
Here's a set of double rollers for rolling over speed bumps, curbs and flattening cats. I don't swerve...Lol
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 01:35:50 AM
Here is a shot of the underside of the door panel.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 01:43:06 AM
the latching mechanism
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Post by: batbuilder on June 04, 2012, 01:45:07 AM
Here are those charger vents that we are reshaping to fit in the opening with the border all the way around
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Post by: usmc_butler on June 04, 2012, 01:31:15 PM
You make everything look so easy ::tongue! Those vents are going to turn out great ::headbang... What struts are you using to support the door? I need to find a set soon..


Dustin
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Post by: rodrieguz on June 04, 2012, 04:01:55 PM
That tow bar is an exceptional Idea,  when you went on the 20 mile journey was the car stable throughout any turns or curves?


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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 02:12:09 AM
Hey Usmc-butler, they are from a camaro I believe. I could check the manufacture parts number for you though. I have a guy that works for me full time. That always makes things look easier. Hey Rodrieguz, yeah it tracked very well. Just have to hook a bungee to the steering wheel. I had a sand rail that was set up this way and even had an extra hook-up to operate the brake and turn signals, Don't trust tow trucks...Lol..dave
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 09:00:23 AM
Here is the metal framing I had welded into the headrest
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 09:02:21 AM
The attachment point to the tubing of the Fiero seat is very solid. We used solid tubing here and bent it to fit the outline of the headrest
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 09:07:23 AM
Here is a shot of the flat bar that spans between the tubing. Great idea for rigidity but hurt me a little on final fit. It really took up a lot of room. But I felt the headrest is such an important component to safety. It needs to be solid.
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Post by: autopro on June 06, 2012, 09:10:10 AM
Those are some sweet welds Dave  ::salute
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 09:10:38 AM
The back part of the headrest is screwed to the seat tubing to maintain alignment for the fabrication of this upper frame. Also to be used when I fiberglass the headrest to that frame
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 09:19:56 AM
Hey Autopro, yeah those welds are from a buddy that does industrial welding. He has never welded any car components before. I used him originally on my "Big Kahuna" batpod replica build and his welding skills blew me away. The thing I like the most about him is his enthusiasim for what I'm doing. The hardest thing to find is people that will have enthusiasm for your projects. That is why it always seems to be better to do things for yourself. No one cares more about your project than yourself. I am fortunate to have a business partner involved with the Lambo builds because the welder does not come cheap. If I did not have the finanacial support I would be doing the welding. We are currently welding the chassis for the Big Kahuna project so I may be posting here some of those pics. Again thank you for the kind words...dave
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 09:21:41 AM
Here is me cutting up the fiberglass that I will attach to the framing
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 09:33:42 AM
The most important part here is to wear gloves. People dont realize that small particles of fiberglass stuck in the skin will eventuall break. Float around your circulatory system and end up in the heart. Gloves are such a cheap protection agains this and also proper ventalation. Fiberglass dust inhaled can lodge in the lungs and our body has no way of breaking down the glass particles. Over a period of exposure it can cause "white lung" similar to black lung experienced by coal miner. Now don't be alarmed the amount of exposure by hobbiest like us is minimal but guys in the fiberglass business that are exposed daily over years lose time here on earth due to that exposure. Baby powder put on your arms will help the glass dust from lodging onto your body. And using a q-tip in your nostrils every night after fiberglassing will show you how much dust almost made it to your lungs. Using a mask and creating airflow through your workspace will definitely help. Either wear a filter or be a filter. Yes and eye protection please.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 09:35:35 AM
The tools of the trade fiberglass pieces neede to be protected against contamination. Gatorade containers one with acetone for the brush the other with resin. Try to avoid big containers as that my lull you into making big batches. Its better to make five small manegable batches that one out of control batch. Its actually better to be done with time to spare on the resin setting up that to have to rush to beat the set up. A small piece of fiberglass that can handle only four to five strips. Big fiberglass is hard to handle single handedly and you need to move from the table to your work area in one swift move. Not the move where the board is so big and loaded down you drop resin laden strips on the floor. When that happens "let it go" its contaminated. Cheap small brush.
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Post by: usmc_butler on June 06, 2012, 09:46:14 AM
I went to Lowes last night to get some fiberglass supplies and my Lowes doesn't carry any :'( As I have stated before I really enjoy reading your posts your thoroughness, attention to detal reasoning and documenting skills are outsanding ::beers I never knew what you mentioned earlier about fiberglass and what it could do to the body. Thank you for taking the time to share that ::salute
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 09:48:38 AM
Here the back of the headrest is grinded to create roughness so the resin can bite into the piece and create good adhesion. This must always be done. Heat and cold can later cause the fiberglass to expand and contract at a faster rate than the metal frame and cause poor adhesion areas to pop. on a recent project were I attached steel grills to my fiberglass body when I rolled it out side I could hear the heat pop the fiberglass away from the steel. It made me rethink the grills and I remade them out of fiberglass. Much better
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 09:56:39 AM
Hey Usmc-butler, I had the pleasure of working with a top ace boat fiberglass guy. As I worked along side him I was stunned at the amount of guys he had worked with that had died of an early age. Most all lung issues. Even as he was telling me these stories he had a non-chalant attitude to the fiberglass. Try the q-tip thing after spray painting I was surprised at how much paint was in my nostrils. It caused me to reposition my work outside of my garage and I could even see a difference in the q-tips. My recommendation is Tap Plastics. They are more expensive but better products. The first time I went to Lowes I honestly couldn't find the stuff. Its alotted to a small area. Even Walmart has some but Tap Plastic is the best for hobbiest. thanks for looking and the kind words...dave
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Post by: usmc_butler on June 06, 2012, 10:14:51 AM
That is what I was looking for is the Tap Plastic brand, I noticed you mentioned them before. I have done lots of painting and rebuilding etc, even had a few Vetts (none needed fiberglass work however!) I know all about what can come out of your nose, it can be some nasty stuff... I guess I never really thought about fiberglass being sanded/grinded down to a glass powder and the side affects of breathing it.

Again you  ::rocker keep up the great work ::beers
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 10:35:53 AM
Usmc-butler, my apologies. Tap Plastics is a store. I think they have an online store. They are set up for hobbiest to large scale hobbiest. Most body shops would go to a larger wholesaler. A good idea is to find a guy that has been there for a while. Ask some questions you know the answer to. If he seems to have the right answers establish a relationship and ask for him whenever you come in. I try not to bombard a guy with questions I do it over a period of time. I always try and buy something so his time doesn't seem wasted. If he tells me something I'm not sure of I make a note of it and will ask a buddy over at Auto Industrial. I try to visit the store at non-peak hours. This business is about relationships. Nobody is going to care until you show them that you care.We kinda lost that art in our fast pace society. Its amazing to me how much free great information I get just by being involved. but thats another topic....Tap Plastic is a store and its own brand. Google it....thanks again...dave
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 10:39:20 AM
ALWAYS lay out your fiberglass route before you start. Its a lot easier that trying to cut glass as your laying resin.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 10:40:45 AM
Here's that same piece after hitting it with a grinder. Actually to be honest I use a 4 1/2 inch cutting wheel. I use the side to grind down. As I'm grinding I'm thinking about which way is the breeze blowing, safety glasses, ear plugs and gloves. I work in a non-cluttered area with my thumb on the off button. You can never be too safe.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 11:06:57 AM
Here I am laying out the areas where the paint sticks were holding the door bottom straight. Now they need to be finished.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 11:09:41 AM
The front lower part of the inner door panel where those paint sticks were
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 11:12:04 AM
In setting up the pieces next step is to apply resin. Remember to keep each task small so that its easy to accomplish. The goal is to be standing around saying, "that was easy"
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 11:15:39 AM
I believe in the dab and spread. not the pour resin all over the place. Remember less is best. Its got to be fully saturated but 3/8 of resin over the fiberglass adds no strength.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 11:21:38 AM
Prior to laying down the fiberglass I have sanded, acetoned and brushed a layer of resin over the area. Then the wetted fiberglass goes over the seam. Roller are used for large area to release bubbles under the matt but in small areas you can poke the bubbles out with the brush end of the brush and move large bubbles towards the sides. Less bubbles better adhesion.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 11:28:17 AM
The question in my mind is I know I can shove mat around the tubing to attach the headrest but how do I know if I have maximum adhesion. Fiberglass and metal are non-like materials and don't always want to stick together. So on the headrest frame I sand, acetone and wrap the fiberglass around the bar. After it sets up I will sand, acetone and fiberglass between the fiberglass headrest and the fiberglass coated frame. I know this is a little overkill but I don't want a full upholstered wobbly headrest. Or one I lean on and it seperates.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 11:31:55 AM
Here's a pic of a sanded and unsanded headrest Its a good idea to label which side is for which side. The bummer is to mock everything up with one side and the accidently use another piece for the attachment. Slight variations can make all the difference.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 11:35:35 AM
Working with fiberglass you may notice it doesn't want to roll around a curve very well. Here's a trick you can use wait til the resin starts to set and then lightly wrap it with tape. The tape will help to hold the fiberglass on the curve until it fully sets. Makes for an awesome bond.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2012, 11:43:22 AM
Im going to pull off for now and let other post show up on the front home page. I apologize if my posts are bumping other new post. That's why I usuailly post in the evening. Again I wish the front page was set up a little different. Sorry about that. Thanks for looking...dave
 Had a question that was asked of me. A very good question. Here was my answer.
Brushes are readily available at Lowes for a dollar each. The resin is cheap there too or Walmart. Its harder to work with because its so thick. But I used it for years. Yes, you should be using polyester resin on fiberglass and epoxy resin on carbonfiber. Usually resin not setting up has to do with not enough catalyst. Either through applying or mixing. A little trick is to have a heat gun next to you so if the resin doesn't set you can hit it with the heat gun and cause it to set up. Tricks of the trade it took a while to figure out. Keep on working with it. There is a reason they say practice make perfect. Pretty soon you will be an expert in fiberglassing, but there's always more to learn. I'm far from perfect just a regular guy trying to build a car. Hope that helps...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 01:14:15 AM
I'm back... Got a bunch done on the No Mercy and the batpod replica. Going to try and get back on track with the pics I already took. Here's a picture of the resin. After squirting in the catalyst I mix it in for a minute. You can see the difference in the coloring. I got some new resin from Tap Plastic and the resin if blue in color. As the catalyst is mixed in the resin turns brown. Pretty nice to see the catalyst is mixing in.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 01:22:10 AM
The fiberglass set up really well to the steel brace on the headrest. I was concerned about having void areas netween the readrest and the steel brace.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 01:23:59 AM
Here's the inner door panel. It was very distorted all around so by slicing the fiberglass I could straighten it out.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 01:27:30 AM
The passenger seat is also set up with the  fiberglass wrapped around the brace.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 01:31:54 AM
Here's what it looks like when its done.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 01:36:36 AM
Tried to take a couple close ups. because the brace is raw steel I tried to completely cover the brace to prevent the steel from rusting. We call them bleeders when the seal is broken and the rust bleeds out. Could have painted it but then the fiberglass would have been attached to the paint instead of the steel.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 01:38:05 AM
This is the original steel on the fiero seat. 
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 01:44:21 AM
Here is the backside of the steel brace and where the main attachment for the fiberglass headrest will be. Its been sanded and acetoned ready for glass.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 01:56:16 AM
Need to get some rest but I wanted to show you a pic of my Big Kahuna batpod inspired replica. Thanks for looking ...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: LP 640 NuCountry on June 14, 2012, 06:21:41 AM
Now that is a project,Wow!!!!!!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on June 14, 2012, 08:00:41 AM
You have more in tires and metal in that thing then I do my whole project ::tongue! How do you plan on steering that thing ::scratch?!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 10:09:29 AM
Thanks NuCountry, I have a lot of flat panel fiberglass pieces that go on this beast. Its been a collaboration of what me and a bunch of Dark Knight enthusiasts think the Batpod should have been built like. Thanks again means alot coming from you....Love your fiberglass work...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 10:31:20 AM
Hey usmc-butler, thanks for checking the BK out. yeah these builds are not for the faint of heart in terms of budget. The front steering has three options. Option one is to use gears, sweeps, pillow blocks, PTO shafts with power steering unit and pump adaped to the clutch. Looking to get a price on that but it will be the most expensive but cool looking. Option number two will be hydraulic steering with pump, valves and a lot of stainless hydraulic hose. Less expensive. and third option will be large linear actuator at steering arms. Least expensive but not really that fancy. I have a buddy that has an industrial machine shop so I hope the steering and drive is within budget. Those front pipes are all machined through so that the fit is super tight, squared and eliminated the need for a weld up jig. To me the fabrication of the Big Kahuna will be the most complex for me to date. I have pics of the uprights for the frame that are beautiful and will be in my second batch of pics. Im a lot behind in my posts. Thanks so much for looking and commenting. Makes the process fun...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 08:16:21 PM
Here's the fiberglass matt cut and ready for the resin. Two layers. It was important to get a good bond to the inside of the headrest. So sand and acetone first
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 08:21:03 PM
Again its important not to contaminate the mat with oily hands always use gloves. Mat was put on then resin applied to sanded brace. A mixture of radom cut fiberglass and powdered fiberglass is added to the resin This creates a mush right before we screw and clamp it together. Its solid and NOT coming off....Lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 08:24:49 PM
this was all about timing. Got everything ready and just feeling the resin solidifying. it set up good in the gatorade bottle
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 08:28:40 PM
One quick motion using the set screws to align the headrest and then clamp. I'm not so proud to say first screw went in clean. Second screw could not find the hole. Should have played with it a bit before. No time so I eyeballed it and clamped it. I am a good 3/8 of an inch off. no use worrying about it this is never coming off....So we will realign by building up and sanding down.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 08:33:03 PM
filled all the voids with more chopped fiberglass. Doesnt look pretty but its fricken stuck on there...Lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 11:29:32 PM
Wow had a really nice talk with John Watson. Has a really deep knowledge of fiberglassing and a long history in the industry. Buying a gas cap for now but hoping to do bigger business in the future. Great talking with you.
 Here's our door skin not linning up with the body lines. Needed to have more of an arch in it.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
The top window frame was taken off since it was at a different angle to the bottom of the door skin.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
The gap at the back of the door was closer to the jamb than the front so we decided to use the back to line up the door skins.
Trying to line up this dang door is a little frustrating. Big problem is the door skin needs to be arched outward at the front of the door skin. The curve is too shallow.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 11:39:34 PM
Here is the door latch area that was cut out to accomodate this little latch. Its going to have to be reconstructed.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 11:42:29 PM
Here is a new lip being created to allow the outside door skin to be removed. I use the tape to create a barrier from having the new fiberglass from bonding to the interior door panel.
Really important to cover the latching mechanism to prevent resin from gumming up the works.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 11:43:46 PM
The tape goes all the way around the inner door. This was an idea I have been toying with. The ability to access the inner door after the car is painted.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 11:44:39 PM
We had already cut a gas cap lid when I heard I could buy one from John Watson. Suppose to get it tomorrow. Yahoo....
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 11:51:20 PM
Here is the interior arm rest. as we were flattening them out I realized we needed to create an indentation to act as a handhold.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 14, 2012, 11:54:05 PM
Cutting the fiberglass mat that will be used to create that door tab. Important to measure and cut before you start to glass.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 12:25:26 AM
Here we are laying out the part that will eventually be a door tab. the fiberglass will follow the contours of the inner door panel.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 12:37:36 AM
This part is really fun. I enjoy trying to create a new piece.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 12:39:11 AM
Here I did use longer strips to eliminate as many splices. I also overlapped and doubled up the matting
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 12:41:36 AM
The louvers have been cut off of the rear deck lid. The two side runners have to be tilted inward to match the  roof. The rear part was cut and grinded to be extended and lowered to match the rear bodylines.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 12:45:27 AM
The lip of the cut louver is still there at the ends. My understanding is the engine glass lines up with exactly where the louvers were.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 12:49:04 AM
Here's another angle
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Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 12:51:03 AM
The batwing is off so we needed to start at the body and work back towards the hinge
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Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 12:53:51 AM
The latch are was completely cut away but using foamboard and tape I will be able to recreate the latch mount. It was important to leave the cut ends open so the fiberglass will bond to this area
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Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 12:55:57 AM
Here is the window frame that needed to be sliced to lay down flat on the seal
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 12:57:12 AM
The front was a little overcut but we were trying to get the inner door panel to lay down correctly
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Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 01:00:30 AM
Here is the area around the gas shock and hinge area that needed to be tightened up
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 15, 2012, 01:01:12 AM
The fiberglass is measured up and ready to be glassed up, I welded that plate steel near the bottom of the door for the electric window motor. But as it is the motor didn't line up with the plate so I had to cut it off anyways.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 01:29:34 AM
Here tape backing up the upper inner door. You can also see a massive amount of the inner door around the latch cut off. That will have to be reconstructed.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 01:33:10 AM
The batwings shape did not follow the curve of the body. Two corners are touching but the other corners are completely too high.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 01:36:09 AM
When three of the corners are correct the outside corner is this high off.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 01:41:01 AM
The body lines of the roof show that the bat wing needs to cut off where the green tape is. That's pretty far off.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 01:41:54 AM
This is a pic of the mounting bracket for the hinge on my 89 batmobile. The plate was made when the fiberglass mount I made failed. I put a couple plies of mat under the steel plate. Then put some mat over the edges.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 01:48:40 AM
Here is the latch plate for the rear lid. Its funny but working on the Lambo lids has helped me to relook how I did the 89 batmobile.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 01:50:18 AM
Here I had to extend the edge of the inner door. It was cut to prevent it from hitting the fender when the door was open. But since we raised the hinge its time to extend the piece and it easily clears the fender
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 01:56:09 AM
Something you dont always see. We sold a pool to an 80 year old guy and when we went into the backyard  we saw an airplane he had stop working on 20 years ago. Pretty interesting...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 02:00:24 AM
Here's the brace I used on the batwing to straighten it out, We grooved the underside of the batwing to get it to flex
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 09:21:01 AM
The batwing appears to be too wide and the side of the louver deck lid seems too narrow compared to the roof body line. So the plan is to cut the batwing to the left side of the tape and widen the deck lid to that same point on the tape.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 09:29:44 AM
Here the deck lid is correct where it touches the roof but seems to be too short along the whole lower part. We even cut a wedge out of the left side to lower the deck lid to meet the rear of the car
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 09:31:50 AM
By cutting that wedge out it brought the top down nicely
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 09:36:08 AM
The underside of the batwing was broved from the upper front corner to a fan like pattern down the batwing. The fiberglass mat is laid perpendicular to the grooving to hold that arch. Before mat was laid the underside was sanded and acetoned. After setting up the re-arched batwing, it looked and felt correct to the body. There is still the reattachment of the framing, side piece and finishing the underside to get back to where I started.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 09:40:41 AM
The powdercoater has the hitch and the small arms sandblasted and ready for color. I decided to go with red to make it more visible and not have people tripping over the tow bar.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 09:47:14 AM
Here are the tires we plan on going with. They are Nittos and supposedly computer designed for drag racing, handling and being quiet. The four were $1300 at Americas tire store. The two heavy grooves are kinda weird but also look kinda high tech
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Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 09:53:19 AM
The rims I am planning on using are 19x10 and 18x9. They have a cool black chrome finish. I know not as wide as the original but I'm a little concerned about too much traction with the use of the Getrag 5 speed and original transaxle from the Fiero.We will have friends driving the car and I'm concerned if they rev it up and drop the clutch the amount of stress on the transaxle and tranny might be too much.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 10:00:57 AM
Here is the electric window mechanism I got that is specific for curved glass. Used a lot in the hotrod industry
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Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 10:03:42 AM
Here is the Saturn SC1 glass from the three door series one that I plan on using for the windows. They are not perfect but I plan on beating them into submission....Lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 10:07:09 AM
The glass is too large for the opening but I plan on cutting it down. The the arch is off but I plan on cutting the sill where the window comes up to make the arch work. Luckily the sill upper part of the door is very wide so it gives me some flexibility. Oh yeah dash is lazily sitting in the cockpit and it lined up pretty well.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 10:10:54 AM
Got the first original headlight glass and they are very cool. The headlight mounting piece doesnt fit very well but thats just some fiberglass massaging.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 10:14:57 AM
Here's a series of pic of the wheels put under with the Fiero wheel still on. Then taking the Fiero wheel off, then lowering the body to check the look. I like them.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 10:17:13 AM
Here is a shot of the 13 inch rotors I got from Paul Smith. They look pretty good inside the rim.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 16, 2012, 10:25:04 AM
Here's a little item my buddy picked up at a local wrecking yard. He wanted to get something so he asked if the could pull this off the carbon fiber engine piece. Incredible they did it and he got it for $100. I was sorry to say it won't fit our engine cover as it is too big so we will just look at it...Still cool...Lol Also tried yesterday to get a brake caliper to pull a mold off of it but the guy was firm at $500. Was hoping someone here had one and might be interested in loaning me one in exchange for a fiberglass set.
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Post by: Murci-Me on June 17, 2012, 12:22:58 AM
You're gonna cut the Saturn side glass to fit?
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Post by: Jets303 on June 17, 2012, 10:11:55 AM
I dont think you can cut tempered glass right?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 06:48:21 PM
Hey MurcieMe, I was trying to get the glass but the fellow I was talking to never returned my PMs.

I'm still interested in the custom glass. though....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 06:52:07 PM
Hey Jet, I've heard it both ways. I'm committed to give it a try and if I figure it out I will post it here. The problem seems to be curved glass but I have had two solutions provided that are supposedly guaranteed to work. So its either going to work or not....hehehe....dave
Oh by the way when I said committed I meant I just ordered the equipment required to cut the glass. We'll just see.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 06:57:55 PM
This is the underside of the batwing....I think...Had to cut the ends off the recurve the batwing. Planned on working on the fiberglassing this fine fathers day Sunday but spent the morning working on the pool filter. Big BBQ tonight and of course the pool builders pool is the dirtiest one on the block. Then a buddy came over and we went to Lunch. My business partner and his posse showed up and then it was over 100 degrees in the garage. So it will have to be another day....Oh well Happy Father's day to all you fathers out there. The most important job I ever had was trying to be a good father and raise my children right. It was an honor to be their dad.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 07:04:57 PM
Here are the motor and transmission mounts I got. I have to be honest I wasn't happy with the welding or the paint job. Since my vehicle will be near the beach salt water will play havoc on the thinly painted surfaces. The welding is sloppy and some places have no penetration. So we will be pulling them apart, re-welding and powdercoating the mounts. Oh yeah, I also don't like the regular bolts. So those will be replaced with grade 8 bolts.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 07:12:25 PM
Say what you will about China but I have seen some really good welds on made in China parts.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 07:14:19 PM
Check out welding Made in the USA
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Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 09:57:31 PM
Here is one of the mounts where the bushing had to be grinded to fit. No harm just looks a little bad.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 09:59:55 PM
There was some interest in the Big Kahuna, so here the uprights I liked the idea of cutting speed holes in it to give it that look.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 10:02:24 PM
This is where we prepped the cross bar for the front forks. Prepping helps to give a good clean weld.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 10:07:27 PM
The front forks slide into the machined hole of the crossbar. The hole was beveled to get good penetration of the weld. If two pieces of flat steel are butted together and welded the weld might not penetrate all the way through. The idea is to bevel both pieces to create a v-joint (like a valley) then the weld will fill the v-joint and penetrate to the underside. Its a lot easier with flat plate. Pipe or tubing as we call it is a little trickier.....
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Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 10:08:20 PM
The end of the pipe is prepped for welding
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Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 10:11:40 PM
Ok back to the No Mercy.....Here's the new and improved head for the 3800 SC. You can see the measurements of the grinding of the valves on the heads. Even this seems kinda cool....
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Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 11:43:40 PM
Here's the top of that same head
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Post by: batbuilder on June 17, 2012, 11:55:01 PM
These are the pistons we are using the lightning bolts makes it go faster....
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:03:50 AM
Had a chance to check out a burnt Murcielago in Sacramento. Many of these parts are being sold on Ebay I just took some pictures because it was so interesting how the car was put together. Hope you like the pics. This is a pic of the engine. Was really nice to compare my faux engine with this one.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:05:18 AM
Yeah the muffler they wanted $3500 or some crazy amount like that...
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:07:32 AM
Apparently this car was torched. That's the secret scoop on why the engine was so nice. The seat frames they wanted $500.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:09:36 AM
The guy had escorted us to the car and then left us with the beast. I was tempted to put a brake caliper in my pocket but that's not how I roll...Lol
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:11:09 AM
Here is the passenger side control arms someone was asking me about....
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:14:55 AM
The guy told us he paid $30000 for this carcus. I guess it might be worth it with all the parts. The guy that owns the place is white but all his salesmen are Russian. At least thats what it sounded like. Front passenger control arms
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:16:25 AM
More burnt out areas
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:20:06 AM
The guy told us every year they take a wrecked or burnt out Lamborghini to the PebbleBeach Lamborghini show and the wrecked cars are always a hit. Surrounded by many people they use that to advertise their parts. Here Harold is pointing out what appears to be carbonfiber.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:20:56 AM
The view through the windshield
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:22:12 AM
The side intake grill was most unimpressive.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:23:42 AM
Here's the rear deck lid which looked like my deck lid since this was a 2002 Murcie
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:26:02 AM
I like the bracing of this air duct
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:27:55 AM
Here's the battery thats pretty convienent huh?
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:29:22 AM
Thats a lot of crap in a very small area...
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:31:36 AM
This is a place to store three tennis balls.....Ok I don't know what this is...any ideas?
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:35:14 AM
Here's a bunch more pics of the same car different angles
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:37:18 AM
Even more pics
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:40:06 AM
More pics of the burnt car
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Post by: jb1 on June 18, 2012, 12:41:36 AM
nice pics,   seems to be a lot of burnt Murcis....kind of ironic  using a fiero chassis to  build a replica of  a car that seems to have issues with catching fire.....
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Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:46:05 AM
OK last pic of the night is the Big Kahuna. This was so significant to actually be able to sit on a vehicle I had dreamed up in my mind. There's still a ton of work to do but this represents a milestone in the design to creation. Sitting with no jack stands or bracing. Holding its own weight and mine. Just a badass feeling. Thanks for letting me share....
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 12:53:14 AM
Hey JB1, yeah it is really weird. When you look at that burnt up Murcie. It didn't seem so baddass all burnt and crispy like it was. It was so much more interesting to me to see how they were put together. I think the Fieros got a bad rap and were ahead of their time in the spaceage body. as much as I admire the design, easibility to modify and adaptability its still a little embarrassing to say my Mucielago replica uses a fiero base. Oh well it is what it is....Thanks for looking and commenting....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on June 18, 2012, 08:34:03 AM
So much great stuff in this build thread! Replica build, Big Kahuna bike and now real burn murci! $30,000 grand wasn't a bad price on that murci, the motor and tranny will bring $20-$30 alone, sell the rest of the good parts to fund a John Watson body, keep the chassis and bolt everything back together and have no money in a 640 Replica Murci. Technically would still be a Real Murci since you would be using a OEM Chassis and John uses OEM splashed parts ::thumbup
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 10:56:29 AM
Yeah I agree, I just got my John Watson gas cap and it is very nice. Thanks for the kind words its good to know people are checking out the build log. It is a journey for sure and nice to go back and see what I was thinking when I started. I feel like my head is growing with information  about Lamborghinis. Had a lot of friends stop by on father's day and even though the car looks like a mess to me most everyone is very impressed with the car. Today I need to spend more time with the steering components of the Big Kahuna and hopefully buy some parts to fabricate it up. I have a massive linear actuator I'm thinking about using. But if I use hydraulics, power steering or linear actuator the steering mechanism to the draglink will all be the same. I have a big meeting with a machinist to see how we are going to design and build the drive system. Chain or shaft....Price is a big concern here....Thanks again for looking ....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: LP 640 NuCountry on June 18, 2012, 11:11:39 AM
Big Kahuna,very impressive!!!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on June 18, 2012, 11:17:11 AM
I read everything in your build and will keep following it. There's just so much stuff I don't know what to comment on haha. I think you're doing a great job and I am learning a lot from your build. Thanks for documenting every minute of your journey :)
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 07:37:46 PM
Thanks John. yeah the Big Kahuna has been an obsession in my mind and to be moving forward on it is very gradifying. Today we had a big meeting with my welder and a mutual friend that is an unbelievable machinist. I had made some videos on him on my youtube channel "Tribute Rumbler". His name is Leo and he has a way of looking at the same thing and coming up with a completely different solution. On the rear drive we have determined that the swing axle needs to swing up high enough to allow the shaft to slide through this hole in the tubing. I had a hole there but after we put this gargantua pipe through the shaft could not swing up. So the answer is to cut through the pipe with a plasma cutter and box in with 1/4" thick plate steel. There will also have to be a brace under the box to prevent the ends from spreading out. This is a bunch of backtracking but really the right way to proceed....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 07:45:12 PM
Hey Tallon, thanks for chimming in. I appreciate the kind words and hope there is something in here that might be helpful to someone.
The front steering on the BK is going to be hydraulic,with the rams being where the steering dampeners usually are. There will still be what appears to be a steering sweep arm but that will turn some machine gun turrants to give the appearance they are turning with the front wheels. Can't wait to get this bike rollin.....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 07:51:44 PM
Here is the left batwing ready for some fiberglass. I got so involved with people coming by on father's day that I simply ran out of time. We were suppose to go to LA tomorrow but our appt got rescheduled so I'm hoping to catch up on some fiberglassing.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 18, 2012, 07:58:25 PM
We got a piece of Lexan cut for the quarter windows and even bent it to the right curve. I will still attempt to cut a curved piece for this window and just to see if I can do it. Thanks for looking! Got to hit my son's basketball tournament....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on June 18, 2012, 08:11:09 PM
I didn't know you had a youtube channel I just looked and the rumbler is the most awesome thing I've ever seen. If you can build that then I don't know what you can't do.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 19, 2012, 01:45:04 AM
Thanks Tallon, it has been such a great feeling to share the Tribute Rumbler with military charity events. Very humbling to support the men and women who have done so much for our country. Sharing the vehicles has open so many doors for me. Got some big plans for the future but they all start with finishing the No Mercy. I have been really enjoying this build and the members on this site. dave
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Post by: jb1 on June 19, 2012, 02:24:44 AM
David,  you are  truly  talented  the  tribute rumbler is awesome.....  thanks for sharing...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 12:29:05 AM
Hey JB1 thanks for saying that. Please note I did not do this alone. When I started the build there was no information on the Tumbler. I resorted to asking kids on some batmobile site to take pictures of the actual vehicle when it was premiered at movie venues. The kids were crawling under the Tumbler taking pictures and uploading them on Flicker which I downloaded and started to piece it together. We took every component and tried to improve it. It has been such an honor to take both cars to charity events and help them to draw new people. This winter we will be taking the cars back out to scheduled events. Thank you guys so much for allowing me to share my previous and current builds. I hesitate to post too many Big Kahuna pics as this is a Lambo site. But if you don't mind I will continue to post them in moderation. I can tell you this is such a passion for me. I have learned so much from members here. Thanks again....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 12:51:57 AM
OK here we go again. Today was a great day. It started off with calling a company that frustrates me to no end. The owner had promised me to call me back with a price on Friday, Well here it is Tuesday and nothing. So I called in my typically cheery voice and  what I got was an arrogant owner on the other end. My final straw so I set to find a new company that could fabricate my parts and ended up coming up with a few good companies. Don't want to mention the arrogant company's name yet but they manufacture suspension components for the cars I am building. If you must know PM me. Anywho when I got a lead on a good company they said they don't make these parts. My first question was " well do you know of a company that does." One name leads to another and I found a company that can make my parts. Also found a company that will rebuild my transaxle and 5 speed tranny for $850. My tranny is supposedly new but I want it checked out anyways. Plus the transaxle is like 24 years old. So my point is if one company is frustrating you don't be afraid to look around. Companies should treat potential customers like their business depended upon it because it does. There's no excuse for arrogant sloppy customer service. Turned out to be a great day!!!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 12:54:27 AM
Here is my exhaust tip. I am going to try and reconstruct it out of stainless steel. But this is a good model to go by
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 12:55:22 AM
The underside of this exhaust piece even has a small Murcielago plate that was on the original Lambo exhaust.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:00:27 AM
Here is a pic of the backside of the door panel triangular piece. We filled it with foam. then put two pieces of fiberglass panel on it then fiberglassed the back of it. The idea is to upholster the piece and then have the ability to screw it to the door panel.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:02:23 AM
The long upper piece had the same thing done to the backside. Its really important to me to have these pieces seriously attached to the door panel.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:03:36 AM
Woke up this morning with fiberglassing on my mind.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:06:40 AM
The door panel handle was already done but where it had holes in the door panels I fiberglassed it to the exact shape of the door handle. We also placed an indentation on the inside so when you grab the handle it has a grab hold.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:09:03 AM
Almost forgot to put the tape on and without it, it would have stuck like glue. I use the tape to act as a release material for the fiberglass.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:11:54 AM
The most important part is to make sure you have as much area as possible on the edges to get good adhesion. I even cut small strips of fiberglass to hold that fiberglass in during the set-up period.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:14:09 AM
I love the smell of fiberglass in the morning!!! ( Apocolypse Now )
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:16:17 AM
readying the rear seat panel for fiberglassing. Grind and acetone first
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:17:26 AM
Cut and lay out the fiberglass mat. Sand and acetone the fiberglass on the seat brace.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:19:33 AM
Here is a piece that still needs to be filled with more foam
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:26:12 AM
Here's the foam product I use its resistant to polyester resin. Mix the two parts and give it a lot of room to expand. Pour it on the area to be foamed and after it fills the area stop playing with it. Remember you will have plenty of time to shape and sand after it sets up. So its better to go more than too short. In this case I am simply using it as a filler.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:29:12 AM
Got my taillight lenses from mark. Rudy red. I did notice the side was not really sanded well it had a ridge in it. Pretty distinct so I guess that will be up to me to sand and fit.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 01:33:58 AM
Last pics of the night. please indulge me in sharing some pics today of the body panels I had made for the Big Kahuna. These are not in correct positions but give you a general idea of how it will come together.That big guy in the picture is my partner with our pool company and my best friend Harold. When I say partner I always like to point out "business" partner not "domestic" partner. Lol. Ive been happily married to my wifey for 25 years, but hey this is California...  Thanks again for looking...dave
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Post by: usmc_butler on June 20, 2012, 08:21:16 AM
Oh, so many questions an comments! First of all you are teaching us way more then you are learning  ::study second of all I didn't have a clue that TAP sold a foam filler. Stupid question that isn't the same stuff as the "great Stuff" Lowes sells out of a can is it ::duh? Door panels are turning out great! And as for the "Big Kahuna" that is just Awesome in its own category ::headbang!
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Post by: batbuilder on June 20, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
Hey Usmc-butler, thanks for the kind words... The "great stuff" I believe you are talking about from lowes is that weather proofing material in a can. You may find that it reacts with polyester or epoxy resins in that it may melt. The stuff from Tap has no reaction with resins and can be used as a filler or more commonly to make molds. In making molds you have to use PVA on the part you are going to mold and pour the foam over the part. Putting the part in a cardboard box helps to contain the foam. Its not the way I like to make a mold and very messy. On my 89 batmobile I taped off voids in the unibody and sprayed the Lowes stuff in a can for sound proofing. Some of the material came out holes I didn't see and after it dried I simply cut it off. Really helped to cut down the road noise.
I got my parts for the window cutting and if successful I will post where and what I got. But like I had mentioned before I have three different methods that might work. I'm willing to give it a try in the name of science. Lol And I do expect some broken glass. Glad you like the Big Kahuna project and it is a build for a good cause. So I'm hoping the hydraulic steering and driveshaft assembly turns out good. Thanks again for looking and I do appreciate the opportunity to share....dave
PS I did get those side markers from you as promised. It was amazing how you got all those markers, bulbs and switch in that little box!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Murci-Me on June 20, 2012, 10:05:11 PM
Did you prefit the door panels in the door weatherstripping area on the car before doing all this work to them?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 21, 2012, 12:51:32 AM
yes MurcieMe, Thanks for your concern. I think...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 21, 2012, 01:15:54 AM
Well tomorrow is an exciting day suppose to pick up another Murcielago roadster. Going to be on the road all day tomorrow. This has been a little frustrating road but it may come to a conclusion tomorrow. Today was one of the busiest days I've had with our business in a while.Got a little work done on lining up the outside of the passenger door and readied for glassing. The batwing framing is majorly off but its because of the re-arching of batwing to more closely follow the bodylines. I have to make the frame re-follow the new batwing arch but the hinges will have to be realigned. Remember please I am not trying to make an exact replica more of an American Muscle with European styling.  Also got the steering arms over to the Big Kahuna and they got installed. Hydraulic guy came by to give suggestions on the steering system. Next step is to get the body panels installed.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on June 25, 2012, 08:10:41 AM
Any updates ??? Ready to see the roaster and anything else you are working on ::wave

Dustin
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 26, 2012, 10:14:42 AM
Hey Dustin we suddenly got slammed with new leads and sales with the pool company. So been distracted there. But we did get the roadster and its pretty cool. Started to weld on it but got an event where we will be taking the Tribute Rumbler and Crimefighter to the premier opening of the Dark Knight Rises movie on the 19th 20th 21st and 22nd at three different theaters. My business partner has kinda promised the Big Kahuna would be there in whatever stage it is finished in. Even bought a nice transport trailer for it. SOOOOOo. Pulled the welder off the roadster and focusing on the BK for the next 23 days. Got the hydraulic steering designed, figuring out the rear triple sprocket drive system and welding up the whole front end as we speak. The welder told me to give him the next four days with few interuptions so he can focus on the welding. Its with a tig welder and I like the welds that look like dimes laying on their sides. But it is a lot of fricken welding.....
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 26, 2012, 10:25:32 AM
Found a place to widen my axles by 7 1/2 inches on both sides. I will hold off on mentioning who they are until I get the axles back. Sending my second set of uprights to the machinist to have the upgraded bearings and 4 3/4 lug pattern installed. Also he is going to fabricate two sets of tubular links for the rear end. Ordered my window cutting stuff and it was the wrong part so had to reorder the right one. Got my patterns for the rear glass from Mark Clapp so getting those made today. Thanks Mark. Got the uprights off the axles yesterday from the guy rebuilding the transmission and transaxle so I can send the axles. And got a new lead on a painter so I will drop the BK gas tank off and have it primered and wetsanded so I can see their work before I commit to more. So as you can tsee I'm a little overwhelmed plus running a pool company. But I tell you the building of the vehicle is the best fun I could ever wish for. Its just a blast....Thanks for worrying about me...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on June 26, 2012, 11:25:04 AM
Hay I totally understand ::tongue! Its your calling time, this only happens once every 4 years or so when a new Batman movie comes out! I love the way a tig weld looks, Im debating on getting a tig welder next week or plasma cutter ::scratch

I have to know ASAP on your axle situation, I need a set also and I am having all kinds of issues mating my SC3800  4T65E-HD tranny to the small fiero hubs. I have not purchased anything yet, but if I remember correctly you are running the same setup as I am. Please let me know soon as you find something out.

I know your are busy so just when you get time. If I need to change my whole rear end setup I will.

Thanks,
Dustin
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Post by: batbuilder on June 26, 2012, 09:26:36 PM
OK I'm back for a little posting. First pic is a pic of the steering arms I had made for the Big Kahuna. They are one inch thick and the press that shaped them was massive. They have a design that includes a spot for the shock dampener. Sorry has nothing to do with Lambos
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 26, 2012, 09:30:40 PM
here are a couple pics of the BK knee rest and foot rest. One of my first sheetmetal fabrication and now we are close to having them installed.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 26, 2012, 09:32:18 PM
Here's a pic of the Roadster on the way home.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Onewickedsvt on June 27, 2012, 12:09:04 AM
That looks like a roblp640 special with that metal on the door!

Goodluck!
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Post by: usmc_butler on June 27, 2012, 12:44:01 AM
Very nice! Wish mine was a roadster..! What is the plans for this car?!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 29, 2012, 12:44:23 AM
Hey usmc-butler, the plan for the roadster is that lambo green. At least thats what it is now.Both cars are suppose to be exactly the same. So same 3800SC and rebuilt pretty much everything. I love the lines of the roadster and especially the rear deck lid. The stretch looks good and I will be pulling the body like the coupe and adding additional welding.
Onewickedsvt, sounded a little sarcastic there. But I am happy with both my RobLP640 cars. As always there were some frustrating moments. But Rob made them right for me. Being able to have him answer everytime I texted or called is paramount to me. There are always issues but since I got the first one with him I kinda knew what to expect. The body is very nice, the stretch looks clean and all the parts were there. Yeah Rob did my two cars right for me. Oh this one has the two rear radiators mounted and hooked up. Both cars were provided by me and both are 88 Fieros.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 29, 2012, 12:51:58 AM
Check this out we saw at the McDonalds in LA.... A MBZ Mclaren.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 29, 2012, 12:56:26 AM
Here's the front hood area
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Onewickedsvt on June 29, 2012, 01:03:29 AM
No not at all sarcastic bro, that's just his signature thing to do for doors!

Looks real nice!
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Post by: batbuilder on June 29, 2012, 01:03:49 AM
Here's a pic of that nice door. Going to reset the door hinges higher and inward like the coupe.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 29, 2012, 01:06:29 AM
Oh my bad, I have gotten some negative vibes about Rob but I like him. Sorry about that I read it wrong. Here's that Fiero engine and it still runs with the new radiators. Unfortunately that engine is being replaced...lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 29, 2012, 01:14:48 AM
The latches and shocks didn't get installed but I have the items and I'll mount them myself. There was a little consideration given back to me for that.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 29, 2012, 01:18:46 AM
Here is the roadster on our Okie trailer. The car is so low it trailered so effortlessly behind the truck.
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Post by: batbuilder on June 29, 2012, 01:19:50 AM
The back view of the roadster
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Post by: usmc_butler on June 29, 2012, 08:25:04 AM
Was that Okie comment tward me >:( ?!  ::scratch LOL

Car looks very nice, I don't have a problem with Rob either, his body's are nice and strong and with my experience with him he has always done right or made things right... And he does answer every call or text ::beers
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Post by: batbuilder on June 30, 2012, 10:16:37 PM
Naw not at all. The trailer was hand built and looks pretty bad but it tows very nicely. Good to pick up stuff when you need to keep the price low. Lol
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 07:21:43 PM
Ok I'm BaaaacccK!. Lol. I got a lot of stuff done on the Batpod motorcycle which has nothing to do with Lambos but I did learn some stuff about primer. I ran into so many nice Bat fans at the Dark Knight premier. Hope you don't mind me sharing....Some Bat fans around the Crimefighter Extreme
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
This car took me so much time to get ready it wouldn't start, electrical problems, Airbag system didn't work. I literally took off each wheel and spent hours fixing what should have already been done. Then I get to the even and the key won't turn in the ignition. Luckily the airbag worked so we could take it off the trailer. But it looked great under the lighting...
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 07:27:37 PM
The Big Kahuna looked great and was a hit with the fans even though it doesn't steer and chain is not connected. the goal was to get it primered black at the very least
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 07:30:00 PM
Here is a pic of Spidey hiding behind the Crimefighter. His mom sent me the picture and it is pretty cool. It was great that the kids love the cars so much.
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 07:44:08 PM
Had the Tribute Rumbler there and it never has a problem. Always runs even with grandma's 1970 500 ci cadillac motor. Always starts...
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 07:59:18 PM
The panel needed a lot of sanding to get them somewhat straight. the primer was a little new for me. I had originally planned to just spray them with some auto industrial primer in a spray can. I noticed on one of my mold releases the PVA stuck to the primer and pulled the primer off my buck. So this time I used the Hi-fill polyester primer. I had never used it before and was really concerned about overspraying my nieghbors car or something. You mix a catalyst in it just like polyester resin and sprayed it with a HVLP gravity feed spray gun from Harbor Frieght. It was kind of amazing because anything that did not hit the panel dried before it hit the ground. i'm a believer in these high volume low pressure spray guns. Used almost a whole gallon...
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 08:07:22 PM
So glad to be back on the Lambo though. Just going to take it slow and do a the work myself. I had to let my worker go but it has lessen my stress levels. Back to where I left off, the Roadster on its way home, Oh you can see the radiators mounted here
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 08:10:43 PM
Just some more seats to cut up...
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 08:13:55 PM
Here's me once again realigning the doors.
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 08:16:04 PM
The side seems to line up a lot better.
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 08:18:49 PM
This door now has that inner piece ands still needs to be adjusted so that I use minimum body filler
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 08:21:41 PM
Here's a pick of that rim that was floating around Ebay for a while...The Corvette insert fits pretty close. Yeah the rim was toast but I was going to have it rewelded and powdercoated then mount it on the wall.
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 08:25:24 PM
So inbetween working on the bike I started playing around with the rim. First using tape as a backing behind the hub piece
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 08:28:35 PM
Then while I was gelcoating my arm guards for the Big Kahuna I threw a little PVA and gelcoat on the rim. Just like purple.
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 08:30:16 PM
Threw a couple layers of fiberglass over the gelcoat
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Post by: batbuilder on July 23, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
created a nice mold of the wheel. What was weird was where the rim was cracked the mold ended up cracking there too....weird Here's another pic of the corvette lug piece. Though I had some pics of the mold and the piece I pulled. I'll try and take some pics of that. Good to be back thanks for looking....dave
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Post by: autopro on July 23, 2012, 08:54:08 PM
Glad to see you back at it, I was wondering were you went?
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Post by: usmc_butler on July 23, 2012, 09:37:01 PM
X2 ::wave

You need to make a few copies of that rim face and make some garage clocks out of them... ::thumbup
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Post by: batbuilder on July 24, 2012, 08:26:11 AM
Thanks Pedro its good to be missed. That was a crazy deadline for sure. Wow Dustin you like read my mind. I was thinking about a garage clock. It was a tough mold because of how deep the hub plate was in there. Good to be back...dave
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Post by: batbuilder on August 18, 2012, 11:19:41 PM
Where does the time go... Been trying to work on the art of mold making having some success and some failures but having a good time trying. Work just never goes away with all the 100 degree weather pool leads were coming in like crazy and the resin was setting up like crazy. Just figured out I have to stop when the temperature is over 80 degrees outside the garage is like 90 degrees. Good for sweating and losing weight but tricky to work with the fiberglass.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: SchulzeA on August 19, 2012, 04:19:31 AM
It went from 100+ to 70's here. To dang cold to get in my pool now  :'(
Sure is nice weather to work outside though!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on August 29, 2012, 12:12:00 AM
Hey Shultz where is here? I like 70 degree weather. It was beautiful 93 degree weather so we are still selling pools. Had a member ask whatsup and was I thinking about selling my roadster.....NEVER.... I will build it or die trying. We are currently welding the rear deck lid hinge together and it came out like a work of art.. Also meeting with my engine builder. We are replacing all components starter, water pump, alternator and every sensor.
I will be honest... I had a member here offer to sell me some  parts, we agreed on price and delivery charges. I waited for paypal info and nothing. He offered me to stop by and check out his build. I asked when and where....Nothing. I Hate liars....Then he comes on my build log and asks me stupid butt questions.  Kinda took the winds out of my sails....I still post on other sites. People here apparently like this guy. I apologize to other supportive members here. I will definitely continue to contribute here. Thanks for reading my build stuff....dave 
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on August 29, 2012, 06:51:43 AM
I hate to see that one member has turned you sour on this forum, as I've told you before your build was like my morning news! Drink coffee read batbuilders progress! There are always people out there that try to take wind out of our sails, just don't let them get to you. I would have given up 6 months ago when JD screwed me over, but supportive members and friends kept me goin and the rest of us are all here for you and excited to see some updates! Let me know if there is anybody this old dog needs to chew on. Take care hope to hear from you soon

Dustin
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on August 29, 2012, 06:59:42 AM
70s too cold no way that's my fav temp lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Texas on August 29, 2012, 07:55:03 AM
Dave

I would side with Dustin and say that I really miss seeing your progress and I would think that many others feel the same. So don't let one person get you down, just check him off your list of reliable resources. You know as well as I do that the kit world is full of guys like this, but the ones that aren't like that are supporters of your build. Looking forward to some good old fashioned Batbuilder in action. ::sun
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: dratts on August 29, 2012, 09:03:05 AM
Who is JD?  The initials I connect that with is a super builder.
I hate to see that one member has turned you sour on this forum, as I've told you before your build was like my morning news! Drink coffee read batbuilders progress! There are always people out there that try to take wind out of our sails, just don't let them get to you. I would have given up 6 months ago when JD screwed me over, but supportive members and friends kept me goin and the rest of us are all here for you and excited to see some updates! Let me know if there is anybody this old dog needs to chew on. Take care hope to hear from you soon

Dustin
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on August 29, 2012, 09:35:26 AM
nah not him. greenmeansgo/jawad dashti or many other names he went by... was kitcarforums admin
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: SchulzeA on August 29, 2012, 04:13:50 PM
"here" is Illinois. My pool is really cold now!
I agree with the others on staying positive. On the opposite hand, I've made several parts and bought items for people that "wanted it for sure", then they dissapear when the time comes to pay. Really pisses me off but I'm not giving up on people. There's a great group of people here that enjoy your build including me. Personally I'm kinda held up on my build and seeing someone else's progress is just motivation!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on August 30, 2012, 10:21:08 AM
Holy crap guys!!! Lol thanks for all the positive words. I'm in a stressful part of the year for my business ( the final stretch ) before winter comes on and the email asking about me finishing my build got me going. In a good way though. When I say "build it or die trying" I really mean die trying!!! My business partner and I had one of the best meetings I've ever had concerning internet marketing and I finally hope to get www.batbuilder.com (http://www.batbuilder.com) straightened up. Plus clean up our business site.I've had a vision of what I want to do in my gray years and it takes the right people in the right places. These guys have ideas I didn't know existed so hopefully that will take off. I will definitely keep you guys in the loop. Again thanks for the support.
 Today I am taking the remanufactured superchargers to the engine assembler and getting a parts list....finally. So everything will be replaced including the sensors. Welding is being finished on the roadster and should have the body off around saturday for complete welding of the roll bar.Should be ready for the assembler by Tuesday. We jumped the Roadster first because it has a complete fiero v-6 with the Getrag 5 speed. The coupe has the 4 cylinder Iron duke and Isuzu 5 speed (weaker). So by jumping the roadster ahead as we pull the engine cradle I have all the new parts powdercoated and ready to go in. I'll receive the getrag tranny and transaxle so it can be rebuilt for the coupe. Does that make sense? If the coupe went first i would have been out of sinc on the rebuilding for the next car. Our goal is to get the motors in, completely running and even driving them around before the bodies go on. I may have to throw some plastic fenders on and blinkers and my makeshift windshield. Its exactly what I did with the 89 Batmobile and it was a blast to drive around. We can work out ALL the problems before the bodies are dropped back on, plus its fun as hell!!! lol. With the batmobile having fully independent transmission, v-6 mid engine design and 22 inch wide rear wheels I could not get the tires to break traction even at 45 mph turns. Its a weird feeling because when the car doesnt slide you get the feeling of going straight out of the car. Thats my goal with the Lambos. Quick acceleration, tight handling and dependability. I'm going to hold off on the rear axle extensions and the extended lateral links until the body is on since I'm so perplexed on the dang wheel set up. But we have worked out a cool idea on moving the rear strutt towers and lowering the car while not ruining the handling geometry. To me the wheels and tires can make or break the look and handling of the car. I'm still not sure of the exact turning point of the front hub assembly. But where ever it is I want to keep the absolute correct backspace on the wheel to keep the center of the wheel right there. That was done on the Rumbler and the Big Kahuna and what a difference. Again thanks for looking and all the kind words. I got a lot of pics to catch up on....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on August 30, 2012, 10:39:01 AM
Hey Dustin, its really more a matter of time management and business frustration. We all have so much in our lives and to throw a little Lambo build in there shouldnt take up too much time right? This is crazy time taking up business. If i could just have a week to work everyday on the lambo builds....Lol not going to happen soon. I do appreciate your words, no one understands the true depth of disappointment as one being screwed over by someone we trust. But whatever goes around comes around and Karma is real. Believe me we have thought more than once to just buy a used Lambo and be done with the building. But when a problem occurs I don't think there's any limit to what they would charge to repair one. My buddy had a 1990 Ferrari Testarossa that one day wouldn't start. He had it towed 100 miles away to a Ferrari dealership to replace an ignition fuse. $1200. We started giving him assorted fuses as a gag gift. I was totally happy with my replica testarossa. Chevy engine. So I know we are doing the right things building our cars. Hard part of the whole process is who to trust. Heres a pic of one of the remanufactured superchargers with the smaller power pulley of course...lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on August 30, 2012, 10:51:18 AM
Hey Tallon, the optimum temperature on pool water is 78. Thats coming from a guy whos pool temperature is 85 with solar. Just trying to keep the wifey and kids happy. But I also love 70 degree weather. Weird things happen with resin over a 100 degrees. And John W was telling me that humidity is even worse.
My pics are way out of order but I had a machinist buddy of mine drill the holes on the trim plates and I will attemp to make silicon molds. Hopefully I won't screw this one up...lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on August 30, 2012, 10:57:49 AM
Thanks Texas, worst case to date was a guy who posted my Rumbler on his site and saying he built it. Had my attorney motivate him to take it down. No my absense is mostly time. That was just a little rant. Thanks for the kind words. Got to run but heres a pic of the roll bar that goes under the humps of the Roadster. Its truely a work of art thanks to my buddy....Thanks again for looking...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on August 30, 2012, 11:02:39 AM
Hey Dratts, my nemisis is no big secret...murcie-me... Don't know why my buddies keep sending me these pics they think I'm going to like. Happily married for 24 years. But maybe its to show me what you can do with an airbrush....
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on August 30, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
Hey SchulzeA, I totally agree.... Its always that 10% that can drive you nuts. I'm what you call an end user. Not into making parts to sell. Its a lot of work and hard to make any money at it. Plus all I have to keep happy is myself. i give a lot of credit to guys who mold and make parts though. Its an art I'm trying to master, here's a headlight assembly I pulled from a mold I made. It does give you a feeling of accomplishment...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: SchulzeA on August 30, 2012, 11:18:46 PM
"karma is real"- agreed!
I don't plan to mass produce anything, start an empire, but I don't mind making a few extra parts when I'm making my own. I'm happy to make some sort of contribution and see peoples build progress.

The mold looks good. I recall you molding a wheel to. Are you practicing for a new batmobile!?

Btw, there's  no T and it needs a C and E.  just saying :)
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 12:15:19 AM
Whoops sorry about mashing up your name SchulezA. Got a little problem with my short term memory. Lol
Here's a pic of my new and improved motor and transmission mounts. They were re welded, powdercoated and replaced the polyurethane bushings with a teflon type bushing. two sets.
Oh yeah definitely on another Batmobile. I have a half scale Tumbler on process and a movie accurate Batpod in the works. Just time. Gotta find time...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 12:20:00 AM
These came out really sweet. Very happy on how they came out...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 12:24:17 AM
Did you ever notice how the Corvette lugnut cap is very close to the Murcielago cap. Just got to cut the cap down so the emblem has an indentation for mounting.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Jackal on September 04, 2012, 01:10:17 AM
Hey Dratts, my nemisis is no big secret...murcie-me... Don't know why my buddies keep sending me these pics they think I'm going to like. Happily married for 24 years. But maybe its to show me what you can do with an airbrush....

 :) Nothing wrong with window shopping! Just don't sample the goods!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:26:59 AM
Wow did a big post and lost it all because I have been over an hour....Oh well Here's a pic of the Coupe with the Corvette wheels. Looks like the axles need to be 7 1/2 inch wider per side. Got some work going on the roadster tomorrow. going to remove the body and do some final welding on the chassis and rollbar. Hey Jackal its ok to look your right there...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:31:31 AM
After removing the roadster body i plan on building a jig that has the same mounting points that the body has to the chassis. We will put some wheels at each corner so we can continue the body work while the drivetrain is being installed.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:34:00 AM
Ended up winning a bid on some headlights on Ebay so I could practice my mold making skills
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:35:55 AM
I like the sharpness of the pieces but there was some small damage I had to repair
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:38:36 AM
You can actually see the writing that was on the original piece. Unfortunately I have sanded the writing off the pieces I made so I can carbon fiber the pieces.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:40:00 AM
These buckets have so much detail compared to my bucket that came with the body.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Jackal on September 04, 2012, 01:41:08 AM
You do very nice work and seems to be a real 'go-getter'. Well done.

What projection type headlights you going to use? I'm looking for my project as well.

Cheers
Jackal
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:41:49 AM
This is the first complex mold I made. I'm getting better with practice.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:47:18 AM
Hey Jackal, I got a badass set of projection lights with my winning bid but I can't make heads or tails out of them. Theres a servo motor for the headlights to turn with the car and I think they may be real. But I will use some lower tech headlights. There is a housing that attaches to the back of the headlight buckets that could be used as a mounting platform....The mold pull was pretty good but I did end up with some bubbles that blew through. So i refinished them with bondo
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:49:31 AM
Here was a project that I did for a buddy here. I was very concerned about not screwing them up
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:52:54 AM
The one side needed to be reset because of the original molding
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:54:49 AM
Its so different doing something for someone else i wanted it to be the best i could do.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:56:04 AM
Here's another pic
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 01:56:58 AM
Here's the part that looked like it had been repaired prior to my friend getting it.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 02:00:30 AM
Here is where the piece had to be broken and reset. The piece was too flat and wouldnt fit the housing
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 02:02:08 AM
Now it fits a lot better. Thanks for looking...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: SchulzeA on September 04, 2012, 02:28:09 AM
Does the murcie come with headlights that move? Besides for adjustment.  ::study
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on September 04, 2012, 09:03:56 AM
My morning NEWS channel is back up! Im so happy ::toothy... Hey the mirrors turned out FANTASSTIC ::beers Headlight buckets turned out great, where they OEM? My OEM headlight glass should be here in a week or so if you need and dimensions or anything ::thumbup Again, glad to see you posting and progress, it really motivates everybody to get to work ::headbang



Dustin
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 10:14:22 PM
Hey ShulzeA, yeah I'm not sure but someone in the know had told me they turn as the car is turning. I have no idea. I will post a pic of the headlights I had bought. Yeah dustin thanks for the kind words. yeah they are replicas but looks like they were made off of real ones. I got a set of real glass ones and some nice plexiglass ones. But thanks for the offer. The coolest thing is the rear housing for the headlights i had never seen those before but made a couple sets of them.
Here's a pic of the water pump on the 50k riviera motor. It was highly corroded. That was kinda surprise since the seller seemed so honest.lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
Our goal was to replace all the accessories as I didn't want to get it all together and then something would not work. But the price list I was given was from Carquest seemed a little high so I'm going to check with Summit. Here's a pic of the skid plate under the front of the roadster
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 10:39:45 PM
Here's a pic of the front end of the roadster. oh yeah we did get the body off the roadster and are welding the rollbar and bracing up the windshield. The body actually came off really easy. Now the jig is being made up for the body. That way we can move it around.
Had a big 3 hour meeting with a webdesigner. He specializes in app development and has some real good ideas for the batbuilder site. The site currently looks a little sad. Hopefully it will have a dramatic improvement by the 18th of this month. Have a couple meetings in Hawaii that revolve around the batmobiles. But we have had promises made in the past on web developement that have not panned out so we will see. Gave him a deposit so the balls in his court.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 10:53:18 PM
Here's a pic of the skidplate. I remember so well having to back up when a driveway was too steep for my Testarossa replica. Oh also I have rwo rubber rollers under the skidplate...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 10:59:02 PM
Don't know if you have ever talked to coders before but todays appt was pretty weird. But soon in the conversation you could tell this guy was really good. They just never sleep.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 11:02:32 PM
Here is the first pull that I got from the mold. It was a little rough but I am going to use fiberglass to fill the missing spots. The release agent was PVA that was sprayed on using a spray gun. the PVA goes on kinda weird with some bubbles but within 30 minutes its spreads thin and forms a barrier between the mold and the gelcoat. Its water soluable so it usually pulls off fine. I think I want to do a video on it since I've had some luck with it.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 11:17:06 PM
I tried a couple combinations with the molding process. The hood I sanded down to 1500 grit using wet sanding method. Noticed the PVA didnt want to work so I used carnuba wax release. It worked pretty good. The PVA works good up to 400 grit but no more. PVA is not really used for car parts but I liked it for the headlight molds but theres a trick to it for sure.
Oh you can see the rear housing piece I made. pretty cool looking
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 11:27:51 PM
I've really learned a lot on this site and hope some of my pics might help someone here. the headlight looks pretty good sitting on the body. Its not anywhere close to being mounted but I'm really enjoying the process.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 11:36:45 PM
Here's an example of a top piece I made in black. I'm planning on using a set with the plexiglass lense on my Big Kahuna. Would be cool to have some lambo lights on the bike. Wonder how many people will recognize them.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 04, 2012, 11:42:55 PM
Here's both of the headlights I made. Kinda gives you a good feeling making them with your own hands.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 05, 2012, 01:02:38 AM
Ok I'd like to put in my two cents. I'm big time convinced on the fiero donor. I'm not a proponent of cutting the unibody in any way structurally. I like the ectoskeleton build where the square tubing surrounds the unmolested Fiero passenger compartment tying in the front end to the rear unibody tubes. A strong tubular bar welded to the bottom of the rear square tube moving the engine cradle 10 1/2 inches backwards. Then square tubing on the upper rear unibody having long lateral welds.
The Fiero being a GM platform has so many drivetrain configurations.. The 3800 grand Prix v-6 actually bolts up to the Getrag 5 speed. My last replica had a 327 corvette engine with tune port injection. Which was too crazy for everyday driving. And then there's the Northstar. The mother of all conversions. A buddy of mine had a ferrari 550 replica on a MR2 turbo platform. I now understand turbo lag. The only bad thing about a Fiero conversion is to tell people its on a Fiero. engine fires, underperformance, 24 YEAR OLD donors. So modified tubular chassis on Lotus inspired suspension sounds better.Lol Thanks for looking....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 13, 2012, 03:14:48 PM
We were able to get the Roadster over to the paint shop to paint the chassis. I was going to paint it with rustoleum like I have done with other cars but these cars will probably end up in Hawaii so the salt is a big issue there. We didn't tow it there even though I have the tow set-up attached we used an inclosed trailer. So we built a jig with casters to support the body. Will make it so easy to do the fiberglass and bodywork. Then we picked up the coupe from my house and took it to have my buddies house for welding. We will make another rack for the coupe.
Had surgery on Tuesday and thought I would bounce right back. So yesterday I took a trip with my buddy to the bay area. I wanted that CD from chassis works on building a full tubular chassis. I hope to do that on my next builds. It would help to resolve so many issues involving the fieros. The CD is very detailed and has triggered some more ideas. I was surprised at how detailed the plans are and even show angles in degrees. The upper and lower control arms look very similar to Murcielago control arms. Well I paid for it yesterday I did overdo it and now I'm back on the couch.
I had a chance to check out this guys diablo build hes got it for sale for $12000 on ebay. Body was rough from Kitcar Inc and welding was little rough. Has a 3800 supercharged engine with the 4 speed automatic built on a 84 fiero chassis. Did a lot of work but not really what I was looking for. We were going to make an offer but it was too rough for me. Its so important to start with a good foundation and the body was too rough.
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Post by: No Bull on September 13, 2012, 10:20:18 PM
I hope you get to feeling better soon.

Thanks for keeping the diary going and I enjoy following along.

Chris
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Post by: SchulzeA on September 14, 2012, 01:45:58 AM
I'm really happy with the chassis works plans. You can't beat them for the price, support and detail with in each print.
The headlight buckets look good. Maybe we can trade up some work  8)
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 17, 2012, 08:20:53 AM
Thanks Chris, I have really enjoyed the support and kind words from the many good members at Lamboclone. Seems I have been talking to many of you off the board and it has turned out to start creating some good friends. I wanted to share some new pics of the chassis for the roadster that I just got professionally painted. The painting was done my a buddy of mine that owns a bodyshop and is seriously into the batmobiles. I have always rattle can the chassis but this time I wanted the chassis primered and painted then cured in the booth. I love powdercoating but do not want to disassemble the car any further. So we got a good price for going this route.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 17, 2012, 08:22:20 AM
The pics were taken in the trailer ride home so I apologize upfront for no long shots.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 17, 2012, 08:24:17 AM
I went with the aluminum paint to get the aluminum look and it really does look great. Special thanks goes to my buddy Gabe who did the welding.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 17, 2012, 08:44:29 AM
Yeah definitely SchulzeA, have enjoyed talking to you off the board. I bought the plans second hand from the guy with the Diablo kit then I had two sets of plans printed up by my printer buddy so I could look at a hard copy. We had the plans blown up to a 24x18 print so I could easily read them. I have really studied them and have some opinions I will share after my trip this week.
On a sad note it looks as if I will start litigation against Robert Ward and his partner Joe Griego. I have already started with my attorney buddy that works with my wife at the law office on the initial complaint. I like Rob a lot and my first two kits from him came out fine but the third kit has been a nightmare. The promises on the delivery have been almost comical. At this point I cannot recommend anyone sending him or Joe any money. On the 21st it will have been three months, which is one month over due with no delivery date promised. I will go back and chronnical my dealings with Rob on this third body. Its really too bad because I like him as a person and I had planned on buying additional bodies from him. So I'm just turning it over to my attorney so I can move on with my life and let him deal with Rob/Joe.
Oh sorry to SchulzeA for thanking you in this post and dumping on Rob/Joe in the same post. Thanks for looking and all the kind words on my surgery. Everything worked out fine. Dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on September 17, 2012, 09:21:54 AM
Yeah the cw plans are awesome
Even though I had to print them out onto 4 papers each page and tape them together lol
had fun building it. I have used naerc plans in certain areas to make it a little more accurate to the lambo let me know if you want prints to any areas of that.

Couldn't say I am surprised, Joe has been known for this as well, probably why he works through Rob now. Sorry you have to go through this!
They seem nice when you are a potential customer. I guess that's how a lot of salesmen are, though.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Robslp640 on September 17, 2012, 09:49:04 AM
Thats is correct i am running behind on his reventon. Also note and ill ost my text if need i offered all his money back over three weeks ago and he said no. Told him the reventon is way harder and ive sold them two lp640 and kept my word on both. Its nice to here both sides.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: SchulzeA on September 17, 2012, 10:23:45 AM
@Batbuilder, I printed mine out on a plotter as well. Ended up using 8x11 prints most of the time on the first frame anyway. Seemed easier for me to look at little prints. Guess I'm use to dealing with small things   ::counfused
Sorry to hear that your going through a rough time getting the revention body.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: autopro on September 17, 2012, 10:38:17 AM
It's sad that you have to go through this Dave, things like this should not happen especially when you are a good customer.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 18, 2012, 12:35:27 AM
Well this is good. Robs here. In business if you do a good job they tell 3 people. If you do a bad job they tell 300 people. Problem is you cant advertise your way out of a bad reputation. This can definitely be resolved and my hope is when I get back from my trip Rob will have some good news for me. But I can't sit here and do nothing. I think Rob understands this. I have people contacting me through PM on my dealings with Rob and I don't want to mislead prospective customers that everything is fine and dandy when its not. Hopefully my Revention body which was 98% done will get to me soon and we can all go on with our lives. That is my hope.....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 18, 2012, 12:59:58 AM
Thanks Tallon, I appreciate the offer on the plans. Man I just love the triangulation of chassisworks tubing. I have an idea how to incorporate their ideas with what I have on my next projects. These chassis are moving forward the way they are. I love the roadster windshield tubing its so fricken strong thanks to my welder. So next is the engine install. The coupe chassis was finished today so its ready for paint. I'll be on a business trip leaving tomorrow to Hawaii until friday. Yeah I know its tough life. The coupe has a siezed engine and I think we have to fix it to finish the registration. Smog. So the welder is putting in some mystery oil in all the cylinders. It will get to sit until saturday when we hope to unfreeze the engine. Should have paid more attention to the smog laws before I bought this car.Its an iron duke so hopefully we can get it running.
Yeah I think all sales start out friendly. When things go great everyone looks like a hero. I think when there is a challenge like this its important how people handle the problem. I would personnally never work with Joe. Thats why it was good to have Rob as a buffer. I am still hopeful Rob can work things out. I'm pretty reasonable. I got a call this morning asking if I had problems with Rob and I answered the prospective customer honestly and just felt I would get this out in the open. Thanks again for that offer on the plans......dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 18, 2012, 01:11:48 AM
Hey autopro, yeah but this is how life is. It would be nice if things were all professional and bodies were shipped out like clockwork. My problem is the run around. Getting multiple delivery dates and then nothing is frustrating. Hopefully Rob can get Joe to perform, I can get my body and we can move on. That would be nice....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 18, 2012, 01:21:12 AM
Hey SchulzeA, it was really nice texting you today. Looking forward to purchasing those aluminum headlight rings. I think the aluminum will dissapate the heat generated by those headlights better than fiberglass. Plus they look pretty cool...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Onewickedsvt on September 18, 2012, 07:46:56 AM
Hey bat, goodluck with all that.

Looking good by the way!

Is rob going to actually attempt to make functioning doors and windows this time or is it going to another rob job?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 18, 2012, 09:07:27 AM
Thanks Onewickedsvt, waiting for my buddy to come by and pick me up for the airport. Yeah we needed a lot of work to make the doors fit. The stories go on and on concerning Joe and we found some interesting things concerning him and his business. I text Rob last night but he may not have gotten my text he's usually good about returning texts. Im hoping Rob can come through with his commitment. I know he has a lot on his plate.
Going to meet with some people concerning getting the Crimefighter replica batmobile over to Hawaii. Please wish me luck its kind of a longshot. They got to cough up some money for transpoting it there. Aloha and thanks for the kind words...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tusabes on September 19, 2012, 04:29:00 AM

  Hopefully my Revention body which was 98% done will get to me soon and we can all go on with our lives. That is my hope.....dave
Hey Dave , I hope rob is not trying to re-sell you that 98% done reventon on the fiero king website .

https://sites.google.com/site/fierokingcustoms/body-kit/coming-soon-project/88-fiero-reventon

 I do know Rob has been trying to buy it from the customer of fieroking- might be to resell it to you.  Ask him for pics of the car he is supposedly building for you. If he can't supply them, he  probably doesn't have a car he is really building for you, and is just trying to resell this one

  How much is rob charging you? Because the one fierokings customer us selling was because it's such poor quality and Ill fitting.

Joe Sokol (fieroking) is here on the forums and you should talk to him - he is holding the poor quality reventon - before you end up buying someone else failed project car at an inflated price
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 27, 2012, 10:27:54 AM
Hey Tusabe, thanks for that bit of info I will check it out. I texted Rob on the 26th and got a reply its really close. I was going to ask really or really really close. We had a bit of a breakthrough while I was in Hawaii thanks to Chris and hopefully things are going to work themselves out. I got a text from Joe yesterday which kinda shocked me thanking us for our patience, They are going for quality and they are close to shipping. Last words were "but well worth the wait". I will continue to docuement whats going on here and if/when the body is delivered it will be the most docuemented body ever. But as of yet a lot of rhetoric."flowery words"
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 27, 2012, 10:44:00 AM
Hawaii was great we learned a lot and got to meet some people that can help us on our quest to get the replica bat bike to the Island. Goal now is to finish the bike which is very close and wrap the panels with vinyl. There's a lot of logistics in shipping and then displaying the bike over there. We are moving into the winter here in California so this is the time to make a move. Probably the coolest thing we saw in hawaii was some lamborghinis and the Honolulu dealership. was told that we missed the famous driver from Lamborghini. Valentino B? by a week, He was there for a month and the dealership arranged him to sign andy lambos on the island and I guess theres a lot there. I have a picture of the car at the dealership signed.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 27, 2012, 10:48:58 AM
We were on our way to the airport but just had to stop. We had seen a gallardo in the front window. We didnt see the cars in the back.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on September 27, 2012, 11:25:28 AM
Glad you made it back  ::wave and things went well ::headbang! And I hope things get worked out with Rob and Joe  ::beers... The cars in the pictures are Lamborghini Aventador's  ::scratch right?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on September 27, 2012, 12:33:25 PM
lol yup, close enough though!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: lambo_sam on September 27, 2012, 07:12:40 PM
We are moving into the winter here in California so this is the time to make a move. Probably the coolest thing we saw in hawaii was some lamborghinis and the Honolulu dealership. was told that we missed the famous driver from Lamborghini. Valentino B? by a week, He was there for a month and the dealership arranged him to sign andy lambos on the island and I guess theres a lot there. I have a picture of the car at the dealership signed.


Hey BatB, what part of Ca are you in? there's alot of us builders here in so cal, Oh yeah and Mr VB is my buddy!, Very Nice guy!  ::beers

http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=243.0 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=243.0)

http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=194.0 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=194.0)

Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 27, 2012, 11:33:10 PM
Yeah usmc-butler, yeah Aventadors. The salesguy had said that and called them LP700-4s. The Gallardo was in the window but apparrently the video I made didn't load. We were in a rush and would have missed our plane but the only thing that saved us was the plane was delayed by 1 1/2 hours. The guys at that dealership were very nice and down to earth. I just had never seen an Aventador up close and they blew us away. The detail is outstanding. He let us get inside and look at the engine. The black one literally just came from the docks.It had a lot of dust and dirt on it. The white one was in a photo shoot.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 27, 2012, 11:37:04 PM
Hey Tallon, I'm going to try and load that video with the Gallardos they were pretty sweet too.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 27, 2012, 11:46:40 PM
Hey Lambo_sam, yeah the guy was going on and on about how nice that Valentino guy was. He had been there for a whole month and the guy that owns the dealership is good friends with him too. Its funny how I use to be such a ferrari guy but now I just run for the Lambos. On Waikiki main drag there is a Ferrari store and they have sunk a ton of money into the interior. its two story and has a replica formula car in the window. It was built from the factory and had all the carbon fiber parts. It was done really well. More pics of the Aventador.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 29, 2012, 12:13:46 PM
Ok today I am going to attempt to link a video.


http://youtu.be/Nm09_NYqKfM (http://youtu.be/Nm09_NYqKfM)

Whoa that works!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: lambo_sam on September 29, 2012, 12:31:28 PM
Yes Mr. Balboni is a super cool guy, you mentioned you are in Ca? you should check out concorso italiano next year in monterey, it's everything italian cars, and he is always there. just check out my links in my last post.

 later
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 29, 2012, 12:40:04 PM
My Buddy Harold found this video and it shows how wicked powerful the Lambo really is.

http://youtu.be/mQPJxL5-No8 (http://youtu.be/mQPJxL5-No8)

I'm glad I got this video thing figured out. On tuesday my wifey, son and I are going on our 24th wedding anniversary vacation to Cinque terre, Italy for 12 days. I told her no problem if I can have one day at the Lamborghini Factory in S'agate Bolognese, Italy. She set up a factory tour for us and a couple hours for the Museum. I hope to bring back some great videos of the cars we love. Thanks for all your positive feedback. This is the best Lambo site with the best members. Thanks Dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on September 29, 2012, 12:58:22 PM
Thanks Lambo_sam, would be cool to run into you there too. Would love to come and check out your ride. We go to LA pretty often.
Yeah got kinda a bummer today I'm taking the roadster back to the paint shop.y partner had bicked it up and really didn't check it out well. So I'm going to confront the painter with all that parts that were completely missed. He's either going to make it right or we will have to use a new guy. He has my real Lambo rim repainted so thats suppose to be done.
Also got to meet with my webdesigner. Things are not going great there either. I have another guy that is doing a better job on our business website so we may use him on the Batbuilder site. Anyways we got to get this thing improved by the end of the year. Business here has really slow down so we may have to hold on the Lambos and focus on the Bat Bike. I have to get that completed by December 1st if we are going to ship it. But the guys we met yesterday when we took the Big Kahuna to their shop can really help me out on getting the carbon fiber look on the Lambos. Anyways thanks for looking....Dave
PS no body yet from Rob....
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: No Bull on September 29, 2012, 01:01:48 PM
Awesome video!

I thought it was a little odd that the speedo only got up to 230 MPH even though the car had no drag from the wind at the speed or friction on the front wheels.  If you ever get the chance to stand by a Lamborghini V12 during start-up (especially inside a garage) the sound will make you weak in the knees and you really feel it through your entire body. 

Chris 
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: No Bull on September 29, 2012, 01:17:39 PM
Its funny how I use to be such a ferrari guy but now I just run for the Lambos.

My guess is that 80% of the guys here started out "liking Lamborghini" but seen themselves driving a Ferrari someday.  The Ferrari has become more of a "soft exotic" in my personal opinion.  I think that the magic kind of died with Enzo and they seem like an expensive GM or Ford now.  Our dreams of cars built by hand and taking weeks to complete are now reduced to a car that rolls down an assembly line and produced in hours. 

Since Audi took over Lamborghini, the goal has been to take over market share by building more refined car.  In the process of making a V12 Super car as easy to drive as a Ford Focus, I just hope they don't over commercialize the brand or fails to challenge a driver. 

The feedback on the Aventador has been mixed.  Some reviewers love how easy it is to drive and others are let down because it has become too civilized and it's not a car that frightens school children or requires a "man" to handle it.  ::counfused

Chris
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: autopro on September 29, 2012, 01:58:18 PM
Yeah got kinda a bummer today I'm taking the roadster back to the paint shop.y partner had bicked it up and really didn't check it out well. So I'm going to confront the painter with all that parts that were completely missed. He's either going to make it right or we will have to use a new guy. He has my real Lambo rim repainted so thats suppose to be done.

Wait a minute.... You already have the roadster painted?  When did that happen?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: SchulzeA on September 29, 2012, 02:21:54 PM
Cool video. I never knew the egt's were so high. I'm surprised the exhaust doesn't melt anything.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 17, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
HEY GUYS I'M BACK!!! But not really cause I have been buried at work. Got back from Italy on Saturday. Slept all day on Sunday. Crazy flight! Almost missed my connection in Amsterdam. Came back to Sacramento, Luggage went to Minnesota. LOL. Moving cars around and pool stuff.
No the painting was the chassis of the roadster. My partner picked it up without really looking at it and when I saw it a week later I was very dissappointed. Side note: haven't recieved the Revention body from Rob/Joe yet....They say its not done but a month ago it was 98% done.
Oh got to touch a real Revention at the Lamborghini factory and did their $50 tour. Lots to report especially about the "factory".
We are moving forward on the Bat Bike and trying to get it ready to ship by December 1st. There's a bit of a slowdown on the Lambo builds due to funds. Plus my mind is going in a hundred different directions. Took the coupe chassis to the painter and picked up the roadster chassis now I can say it looks great. Got the real Lambo wheel painted and it looks great for wall art. Have the painter finishing up my Big Kahuna gas tank and Lambo clock wheel. Welder and machinist are working on the rear sprocket and hydraulic steering issues. I'm sanding parts for vinyl carbon fiber look and powdercoater is powdercoating numerous bracketry. Webdesigner is tuning up my Batbuilder site and should have a completely different look soon with an internet store.( a dream of mine for a while.) So give me a chance to catch my breath and I will be posting those pics of the Lambo factory tour. Something crossed off my bucket list!!!!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 17, 2012, 10:48:44 AM
Cameras are not allowed on the factory tours but are allowed in the museum. Here's the real Revention I got to touch even though they say no touching. Yeah right like I'm not going to touch it.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 17, 2012, 10:54:49 AM
Here's the highlight of my visit. The chassis of an LP-700-4 Aventador. BLEW ME AWAY!!!!. My only though was you dont allow cameras in your (assembly) factory to see workers screw parts together with Makita drills yet you have a full chassis and drivetrain sitting upstairs? I learned more about how these cars go together checking out that chassis. I will report.   Oh yeah that is a fully assembled Murcielago hanging on the wall. Wouldn't that be nice in my shop!!!!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 17, 2012, 11:00:16 AM
Engines, engines , engines did I mention they had fully assembled engine/transmission sitting right next to the cars?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 17, 2012, 11:02:58 AM
Sorry I got to run my phone is blowing up, but i'll be back and thanks for looking....dave
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Post by: Tusabes on October 18, 2012, 03:20:16 AM
Beautiful pics !!
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Post by: usmc_butler on October 18, 2012, 08:33:49 AM
Very Nice! Def on my bucket list ::beers
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 29, 2012, 11:16:08 AM
Have a day off today. Spent the weekend showing the batmobiles. Lots of nice people and tons of kids checking out the free event. We purposely parked near the Halloween store so the kids could take pics.

Still waiting on my Revention kit from Rob/Joe. Havent really had too much time to tink about it but every couple of days it pops into my head then kinda gets me mad. I had planned on buying a couple more bodies from Rob but now it makes me nervous to deal with him.

Main focus is these days is the Big Kahuna motorcycle. Plans are to ship it in December so i have one month to get it finished....Good thing about this build is i have found a good bodyshop guy, a guy that does hydrographics for the carbon fiber look and went back to the guy that did my ferrari Testarosa interior like 10 years ago. He's upholstering the BK seat now. Still good and still expensive.

Gots some video on the guy hydrographicing the arm guards and the front trim pieces on the BK. He had a problem with the clear coating so he's doing the pieces over. Got the coupe chassis painted and it came out better than the roadster.

Got my website www.batbuilder.com (http://www.batbuilder.com) rebuilt so we can move forward with our plans next year. I wanted to post a couple pics of the Lambo factory if anyone is interested in them. Thanks for looking...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 29, 2012, 11:36:35 AM
Here is a pic of a Lamborghini concept car. Its great if you want to focus on the driving and not your wife/girlfriends chatter...lol
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 29, 2012, 11:38:51 AM
Here's an interior view of the Revention I have a lot of shots of this car too.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 29, 2012, 11:42:15 AM
Here is a shot of that Lambo SUV. I kinda like the look. Wonder if there's a kit out there for this car
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 29, 2012, 11:44:21 AM
On the second floor there's a lot of concept cars that were never built. The ground floor had the original production cars
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Post by: batbuilder on October 29, 2012, 11:46:00 AM
Here is the car fashioned like a bull
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Post by: batbuilder on October 29, 2012, 11:47:20 AM
This was Lambos four seat model.
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Post by: batbuilder on October 29, 2012, 11:51:21 AM
Here the countach. The design was so wild that when a villager saw it for the first time he looked in amazement and said countach which means WOW. At least thats what our tour guide said
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 29, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
This was the anniversary model. We were told the founder never saw these cars because they were produced after his death. Here was my first ride in a white Countach. I had completely forgot my buddy had introduced me to a guy that works on Lambos in Sacramento. The guy was really nice but man he talked ALOT.....lol. Anyways I just got his phone number so Ill see if i can visit his shop. Here's the ride he gave my son Patrick in his Countach a couple years ago. I got a ride too but we went on the freeway and it was scary fast.
http://youtu.be/wv5F-e_534A (http://youtu.be/wv5F-e_534A)
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on October 29, 2012, 12:56:30 PM
I found this video on the building of the Aventador. Now I can see I was in a small part of the factory. They said they assemble a Gallardo in three days and an Aventador in four days and they have a two year waiting list. This video really helped me understand what was going on in the massive Lamborghini complex.
http://youtu.be/mMToBqnHrkQ (http://youtu.be/mMToBqnHrkQ)
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on October 29, 2012, 01:00:21 PM
Thanks for sharing your pictures and taking the time to jump on here from time to time with updates, we know you are busy with all the Bat building. Your website is coming along nicely also, I liked it on my FB  ::beers



Dustin
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Post by: batbuilder on October 29, 2012, 01:16:56 PM
Thanks Dustin, I was very happy with how the website turned out. Now I just got to straighten out the wording. I'm working today on the sanding of the foot and knee rests for the bike as we are going to hydrographic them in carbon fiber look. Then my next major project is to make a mold of the gas tank. I'm almost afraid to start since the body work guy made it so perfect. But thats my short term goal to duplicate the BKs body panels. Also got a 4:30 appontment to design the BK steering.  We only have a month to complete the Big Kahuna. Thanks for looking...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: No Bull on November 10, 2012, 07:23:07 AM
Hi Dave,

What is the status on your Reventon order with Rob?  I think you've been very patient and I commend you for remaining humble in your posts regarding the situation.  I also think it's important that others who might be placing orders be aware of possible supply and delivery problems that they might be having and there is no sense in adding to everyone's problems (including Robs).

On a side note, I seen in your last post that you are having some parts Hydrocoated.  My car has two piece rims so I decided to get some quotes on coating the inner part in a carbon fiber print and leave the outsides chrome (see picture).  I called a place in Wisconsin for quotes and they came back at $1000 for the four rims.  Does this sound right... I was expecting something more around $250 total but maybe I underestimated the cost.

Thanks,

Chris
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: No Bull on November 26, 2012, 04:52:31 PM
Thought of you today when I seen this.  :)

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/dark-knight-rises-batmobile-top-gear-ridealong-2012-11-26 (http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/dark-knight-rises-batmobile-top-gear-ridealong-2012-11-26)

Enjoy

Chris
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Onewickedsvt on November 27, 2012, 11:50:27 PM
Hi Dave,

What is the status on your Reventon order with Rob?  I think you've been very patient and I commend you for remaining humble in your posts regarding the situation.  I also think it's important that others who might be placing orders be aware of possible supply and delivery problems that they might be having and there is no sense in adding to everyone's problems (including Robs).

On a side note, I seen in your last post that you are having some parts Hydrocoated.  My car has two piece rims so I decided to get some quotes on coating the inner part in a carbon fiber print and leave the outsides chrome (see picture).  I called a place in Wisconsin for quotes and they came back at $1000 for the four rims.  Does this sound right... I was expecting something more around $250 total but maybe I underestimated the cost.

Thanks,

Chris

That's way too much for a dip and clear coat.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on December 17, 2012, 10:43:54 PM
Hey Chris, yeah I've had a lot of excuses and delays from Rob and still no Revention body. Its pretty frustrating but I try to see the good in people and hope Rob follows through with his commitments. I've gotten a lot of messages from people on this site asking my opinion on working with Rob and I have to tell them the truth. I believe in Karma and what goes around comes around. My partner is more of an eye for an eye guy.
Yeah that sounds like a lot for hydrographics. But I can see where the company is trying to hedge their price in case there's a problem. If you want you can text me and I'll find out what my guy can do it for. He doesn't do any work through the mail. Had bad experiences. That might be the reason for the wisconsin pricing too. Dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on December 17, 2012, 11:17:14 PM
So the Lambos have been on hold as we are finishing up the Big Kahuna. I have three weeks to completely finish the bike for a bike show. It got more complicated because we started to modify an isuzu NPR to show the bike on. The machining of the rear gear system went three weeks over and caused us to miss our shipping date. But I always feel things happen for a reason so the new plan is a few bike and car shows. My partner has set us up for a few shows with more to follow. If you have a chance you can follow us on Bat Builder on facebook.Thanks for Looking....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on December 17, 2012, 11:31:44 PM
Wanted to show where we are now. There's a lot of parts that need to be installed that are already done.
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Post by: batbuilder on December 17, 2012, 11:37:11 PM
Here's a pic of the control arm panels but I may need to get some help rotating the pic.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on December 17, 2012, 11:56:55 PM
Wanted to show some of the pics I took in Italy of the Reventon and the Aventador chassis that they had on display. I hope this might help someone somewhere. I have gotten so much from this site and the members here. Thank you all....
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Post by: usmc_butler on December 18, 2012, 08:30:38 AM
Very nice pictures! Glad you are making some progress, I almost sent you a text last week to check up and see if you made it to Hawaii. Sorry to hear you missed the deadline, however like you said everything happens for a reason!

Bike is looking great! I seen you got the steering working, any videos yet? I'd like to see how you accomplished that....



Dustin
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on December 18, 2012, 12:41:42 PM
Hey Dustin, it was a bit of a bummer missing the deadline but I think things will work out for the best. We are going to show the bike at a couple bike shows this year and try to build a fan base. We have a big event in August then try and take the bike to Hawaii in October. The truck is being made for that purpose. We added a massive hitch on the NPR and are going to modify one of our trailers to accept the Tribute Rumbler. So we will be able to bring the bike and one car. We have a request to bring the bike and Rumbler to an event on the third week of January. That will be a long haul so we can see how the truck set-up works.
A major consideration is how to make money doing these car shows. We are looking into sponsorships but with the economy thats tough.  We would like to start the fabrication business by building a couple cars for clients this year. But our main focus will be to complete the lambos.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on December 18, 2012, 12:58:06 PM
On the steering we brought in a hydraulic guy that deals with commercial hydraulics. He sized a hydraulic ram that has twice the capacity of the hydraulic slave cylinder at the wheel. Lines crisscross to the slave cylinder so that the amount of fluid driven to one side of the slave cylinder pushed the wheel to steer towards one direction. The hydraulic fluid on the non pressurized side of the slave cylinder is vaccumed out by the opposite ram cylinder. The cool thing is we were able to adjust the amount of fluid on either side of the ram cylinder so that the outside wheel during a turn, turns at a slower rate than the inside wheel.
The steering we call static because it operates with no power, just by turning the handle bar. On a future build of this bike we would incorporate a linkage system that would connect the two wheels mechanically. This would give better feedback to the driver and help whichever wheel was lagging to stay correct with the dominate wheel. Also it was suggested an electric hydraulic pump would help when the bike is not moving but the wheels are being turned. But for showing the bike and moderate driving the steering works fine. Hope that explains the steering. Got to get out in the garage to fix some damaged to the panels that occured during the molding process. Thanks again for looking. I appreciate the input.dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on December 18, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
One of my recent happy moments was pulling this gas tank from a mold that I made. I have dupicated all the pieces on the bike in case we end up selling one or we lose a part. Here is the hydraulic ram with its mounting piece...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on January 09, 2013, 11:54:11 PM
No I still havent received my revention body from Rob...Looks like I may have been ripped off. If anyone has questions about dealing with rob please feel free to contact me.
On a happier note the Big Kahuna is done, done ,done. We took it to the Easyrider Show in Anahiem. It came out pretty nice and it looks like we might be going on the tour circuit. All this keeps putting our Lambo on the backburner but we have to take things as they come. Thanks for all the off board support. Thanks for looking....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on May 11, 2013, 02:14:39 AM
Ok so I've been away for a while but getting really close to starting the Lambo builds back up. Just spent a couple hours reading everyones progress and its really making me jealous. I'm in the process of finishing up three bikes we are building for Sturgis of all places. But I will be back after these bike builds are finished. I will be full time on the lambos. Infact I am having some of the lambo bodywork restarted next week. Here's a pic of my new obsession called the Big Mahalo Honu1
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2013, 02:57:55 AM
I know a few of you probably thought I croaked! Lol....Life has gone from busy to stupid busy. The economy has really kicked up in northern California and we have exceeded all of last years volume already in the swimming pool sales. Been working on the Batpod replica and am 97% done on the mock up. We have the power plants for the next two functional bikes and one bike is getting very close to test driving. We are committed to Sturgis in 52 days and most of my efforts are on the bikes or designing pools. Have made some purchases in one black and two silver sets of replica murcielago rims. Won a set of smoked taillights on eBay and still looking for a roadster set.
Currently looking for two sets of grills. The goal has been to finish the three bikes and back onto the lambos. I see future "opportunities" messing that up but that's the plan. I say that and then we ended up getting a killer deal on a fourth bike's power plant today, trying to establish a fabrication business this winter hoping that building clients cars/bikes will pull in even more talented businesses to move our projects forward. I've appreciate all of the off forum conversations with members and hope to continue that.
On a sad note I have still not received my reventon body I paid Rob/Joe for. I did get a call a couple of weeks ago from rob offering to shift my monies from the Revention to a Aventador. I said sure, whatever. At this point a ford tarus would do. As I have mentioned to some newbies who have asked my opinion. I obviously cannot recommend doing business with Rob. Thanks to many of you for not saying I told you so. Lol.
It still feels comfortable coming and reading all your progress and I hope I will be back on my lambo projects sooner rather than later..... Thanks Dave....mahalo
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on June 06, 2013, 08:21:14 AM
Good to hare you haven't forgot about us! Cant wait to see you back on the cars  ::beers




Dustin
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2013, 04:48:21 PM
Thanks Dustin, yeah is been a lot if fun putting the Batpod replicas together . I just dropped off parts to be powdercoated and an axle shaft that just had the splines machined on. All of this is preparing me for the lambos soon I hope. Thanks dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: am33r on June 06, 2013, 06:35:59 PM
the pics... just wow!!!  ::rocker
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: No Bull on June 06, 2013, 06:44:45 PM
Glad to hear that you are still with us brother.   ::thumbup

Chris
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on June 06, 2013, 09:06:59 PM
Thanks am33r and Chris, yeah we even had a tv crew out at the shop on the Big Kahuna bike and we had the lambo bodies and chassis out there. Couple guys called about having us build a lambo I tried to tell them I'm just trying to find time to finish ours. I'm on my iPad and iPhone so much but all my pics are on my laptop at home. I only have 50 days left to finish the bikes. But some of theses good deals coming on the site are distracting me in a good way. I'll be back!!!! Dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on February 18, 2014, 01:17:10 AM
Well Im back!!! Thanks for not taking my build log down lol. Finally done with all the distractions of building the Batpods and very close to trailering one of the lambo chassis back to my home garage to move forward. Im currently building a 2/3rds scale Tumbler "miniT" for a buddy so working on the chassis of the "No Mercie" will give me a welcome distraction....Dave ::headbang
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on February 23, 2014, 01:14:54 AM
Spent a good 14 hours fiberglassing panels for my miniT 2/3 scale tumbler replica. Though Id share it as this is the project I need to complete to get to my No Murcie builds. Got into a promise for a good friend building this for his kids charity events so I will build one for myself . I plan to make some molds of the body and clean up the panel frames. I don't want to call it a chassis since it will be very light weight. This one will fit on his existing go cart/ dunebuggy. I will build a thicker steel one then power it by a quad runner engine. So this one for my buddy and a second one for me.
Thanks for the likes. Thanks for letting me share...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: No Bull on February 23, 2014, 05:05:19 AM
Good to see you back with us Dave.  The mini tumbler project is looking really good.  ::thumbup

Chris
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on February 25, 2014, 01:28:42 AM
Thanks Chris I really appreciate the welcome back. I hope you guys don't mind a few pics over the next few weeks as I finish up the miniT. I need to finish this before I can get back on the Lambos. I was able to buy and mount the rear Lambo tires on the new rims I got. I ordered another set for the black rims. Still looking for Murcie grills and one last set of taillights for a roadster.. It could be smoked murcie taillights too.
Heres a pic of the panels I assembled yesterday. I have tomorrow off to push forward a little bit more. Thanks for looking dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Digibeam on February 25, 2014, 01:23:33 PM
so this has been covered with flat fiberglass panels cut to shape?  or do you make the panels first?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: autopro on February 25, 2014, 05:50:26 PM
Can you show how you bond them together?  What are you using to hold them together in your first picture?

Glad to have you back Dave!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on February 25, 2014, 11:18:03 PM
Hey digibeam, my process was to autocad a 2/3rds scale of the Dark Knight Tumbler through photos then generated paper patterns. I take the paper patterns and create a cardboard model. Then I cut the fiberglass panel and use pics to duplicate the angles and position of the panels. I use a technique called tabbing with bondo to temporarily hold the panels in position. Then I flip the individual panels over a fiberglass using a 3/4 ounce mat in case I need to adjust them. I then create a frame holding the panels in position. I try to triangulate the square tubing as best I can for strength. Once this lightweight frame is done its so much easier to see where I can improve the heavier gauge chassis. The panels will be sanded, primered then sharpen up the edges then painted a semigloss black. I will then wax and create molds out of the finished painted panels. The frame and mock up panels will go to a friend. The chassis and pulled fiberglass pieces will help me build my 2/3rds finish vehicle. That's how I built the Tribute Rumbler. I'm trying to build a smaller but more accurate replica at about the go cart size. Haha bet your happy you asked. Thanks for the questions I appreciate the interest.dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on February 25, 2014, 11:36:45 PM
Hey autopro, the technique I use is called tabbing using bondo. The fiberglass panels are beveled to allow the edges to get very close. Accuracy here will save a ton of time in sanding. I use orange tape to hold the edges together. I then use and angle finder to duplicate the angle of the right hand side panels. I position then tab. The goal is to press the bondo down on the first panel and pull up and over like a bridge to the other side. I do this to avoid driving the bondo into the two pieces of panels. I have to let the bondo thoroughly dry because it can easily lose position. I flip the pieces over and pull the tape. Light acetone then fiberglass the panels together. I can't express how much I really enjoy this process but I realize it's because it's a hobby and not my main job.my personal goal is just to get better and better as good as I can get. Just love it! Thanks for the questions and your interest in the process.dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: autopro on February 26, 2014, 09:27:52 AM
Dave thank you very much for the explanation, I would have thought that the bondo would stick to the fiberglass.  Do you not have that problem?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on February 26, 2014, 09:42:22 AM
Those fiberglass panels look smooth, are they premade sheets? my guess is it doesn't allow a permanent bond with the filler and the other side would need to be roughened up
Nice technique :)
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on February 27, 2014, 01:32:28 AM
Hey tallon and autopro, Yep Tallon is right if you don't roughen up the fiberglass its hard to get the bondo to stick. But also a little trick is to over catalyize  the bondo which makes it brittle and easier to pop off. The only downside is I use the cheap bondo (because I'm Cheap lol) and sometimes its a little harder to sand verses the quality stuff....
Here's the semi finished piece oh and my recent purchase of the rear tires for the lambo coupe
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on February 27, 2014, 01:55:34 AM
Had a couple hours to work on the miniT. Didn't have time to set up the welding or messy fiberglass so I worked a couple hours on the rear turbine mock up. Mostly just body work now...BWD
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Robert on February 27, 2014, 04:20:38 AM
Hey tallon and autopro, Yep Tallon is right if you don't roughen up the fiberglass its hard to get the bondo to stick. But also a little trick is to over catalize  the bondo which makes it brittle and easier to pop off. The only downside is I use the cheap bondo (because I'm Cheap lol) and sometimes its a little harder to sand verses the quality stuff....
Here's the semi finished piece oh and my recent purchase of the rear tires for the lambo coupe
Use 80 grit to roughen the surface. The body filler needs something to hold on too. Applying body filler on a smooth surface will always result in lifting later on.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on February 28, 2014, 01:08:26 AM
Yes Robert I agree. even when layering bondo its important to roughen it up. This bondo though is just being used to build the mock-up that I will pull a mold off later. Got much of the turbine done today but hope to get it sanded down this weekend. Also started the two rear intakes. Here's a pic of the panels having an internal frame built along the edges.
 
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on March 28, 2014, 01:27:32 AM
Had a chance to go to Dayton, Ohio and meet some of the members I've been talking to but had not met in person. No Bull was gracious enough to spend a couple days with me and we talked all the geek stuff associated with Murcielagos. It didn't take very long before it was 1:00 am and I still had an hour drive back to my hotel. The next day I had a chance to meet Jason with Lambostuff. Got to check out his awesome Murcielago, Diablo and his Countach he is restoring. Seeing a countach stripped down to that level gave me a great opportunity to check out how Lamborghini put their cars together. Then got to check out Jeff's build which was put together very nicely using the front end of a grand Prix with the 3800 supercharged engine. Which is the same engine I'm using in my roadster and coupe. I missed Dustin as he was passing through Dayton but had a chance to meet him, Aaron and Aaron's wife in Hollywood a couple months earlier over at Victors house (Dr Murcielago). My biggest drive during the week was to visit Alan Shultz out in Illinois. It was a 6 hour drive one way but it was so nice talking to a fellow,clonehead. Yesterday I got the first molds from the set I bought from John Watson. I flew out to meet and spend a couple days learning from the master. Some of his simple approach to problems I found so complex blew me away.Today I got the first pieces waxed PVAd and even made the first panels. What's kinda cool is I made them using a carbon fiber core for strength and lightness.  A buddy had given me a big roll its only now I can appreciate the gift since the carbon fiber is $46 a yard. As I get the other body molds I hope to make at least two copies for my business partner and myself for our second set of cars. I'm going to go with my G28 bodies even though they are very rough and the scale is noticeable off. The coupe will be all Murcielago but I was given another idea by Chris on my trip and the concept design haunts me. If its possible I will modify my roadster body to incorporate this radical design. I still have the miniT 2/3rd Tumbler replica I am building and the swimming pool sales are off the chart but I hope to get the roadster over to my garage and get some of the mechanical stuff done. Thanks for reading and thanks to all you guys that make this crazy business of building replicas tolerable.dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: No Bull on March 28, 2014, 08:20:57 AM
It was great meeting you in person Dave.  A man of both talent and obvious principles and integrity.   ::thumbup

Chris

Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: usmc_butler on March 28, 2014, 09:33:55 AM
Wow dave you are a BUSY man and I thought I was crazy for taking on 1 car  ::duh ! Sorry we just missed each other I was on a buddy of mines schedule and we had to be in St Louis that evening... Good to hear that you are getting Johns molds, We all know you have the knowledge and skills to make a quality product :notworthy! Hope you are planning on making parts and selling them  ::study??? Well, I will be headed back your way the end of they year sometime (hopefully) and this time I'll drive up to visit so you don't have to do as much driving this time  ::beers

Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: cmarens on March 28, 2014, 11:44:09 AM
So perhaps the Watson bodies will live on??  ::thumbup  :occasion ::rocker ::headbang
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on March 29, 2014, 01:48:02 AM
Wow Chris I really appreciate the kind words...thank you.
Hey Dustin, yeah it was a bummer missing you by a few hours but hey we had a great time in Hollywood a couple months ago.
Yeah Cmarens they will live on for a couple more cars at least.
Yeah Big Pines that would be all of them. We had discussed the fact that John owed some people some pieces so I have given him some time and have encouraged him to do the right thing. Its a funny thing but there is a lot of truth to Karma and even if a person does not believe in it, it still does exist. I believe in the ends of your days you will feel the pain that you have caused all your victims. So its always better to do the right thing and feel good about your lifes journey and how you have treated others.
Its a lot of trust I have put in John but because of his health and age this is giving him an opportunity to close this chapter of his life and move on to the country western agent/counselor that he loves. Plus its a lot less messier. I got the first little pieces from John and I have enjoyed working with these professionally produced molds.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on March 29, 2014, 11:28:45 AM
Great news Dave! Did you get internal parts molds as well as external parts mold or just external? Do you plan to sell kits? If so, do you have a price or timeframe yet?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on March 29, 2014, 10:12:54 PM
Hey Guys, I wrote a nice long post yesterday and went to post it and since my time had expired it lost that big post so I'm going to try and break it down in segments. Yeah basically I bought the inside and outside molds and will buying the lambo chassis with that Audi he was not able to finish. We talked a lot about doing the right thing with orders he had not completed. I waited for a period of time before I announced it here so glad to hear the pressures on.
Yeah Tallon that seems to fall within the squeaky wheel gets the grease.... unfortunately
I had flown and met with my g28 builder but as of now there's a Reventon body still owed to me.
Yeah onewickedsvt I agree every industry has their fair share of flakes but the kit car business really preys on our belief in our fellow man or woman. Its not really that hard here to be a scam artist because our motivation is emotional but this money we spend really came from our hard work at our jobs. It really is a big sacrifice for the time it takes to save this money and of course it could have been money we could have spent on our loved ones. And instead we get scammed. I hope Watson does come through for you and the others out there. PS including myself now...
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on March 29, 2014, 10:28:24 PM
OK here's my plan.... As I look at my G28 bodies and then real Murcies there's such a significant difference. I have a contracting business up in Northern California so building these cars is definitely a hobby for me. I looked at the pieces I needed to change and they went from curved rockers to hood and rear inners to doors skins that had been butchered. Ill be documenting it better in future posts.
So the idea is to replace many of the parts on the G28 coupe. The idea on the Roadster is to go in a completely different direction with a concept murcie idea. After I get the real Murcie chassis I hope to duplicate it twice but use more universally available corvette parts for hub assembly and brakes.
This will be a couple years of focus on the murcies, With the little molds I got already I've already built a set using carbon fiber core. I'm very interested in producing carbon fiber in my future builds and perfecting my technique.
I can't imagine building a business selling kits since my main business is pretty successful. But I will be interested in producing a few xtra pieces for my business partner and my cloney friends. I am interested in borrowing some of the pieces out there and maybe converting them to carbon fiber for those interested. My personal goal is to keep producing fiberglass pieces every week. Practice makes perfect.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tusabes on March 30, 2014, 06:26:23 AM
Batbuilder first of all I am SoO happy if you actually get these molds and start cranking out some accurate bodies for those of us who want the accurate thing . I'm in the Bay Area and would love to visit when you get them


Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on March 30, 2014, 12:54:00 PM
Dave, when do you get the chassis from Watson?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on March 30, 2014, 02:13:24 PM
Well I've already paid for the molds. I think the money and the extra time will help Watson to complete the pieces. I was not aware that he owed anyone parts at the time I bought the molds and especially some Cloneys. After I found out I called John and offered him extra time to deliver pieces he owed and encourage him to do the right thing. There's either going to be two outcomes he will either deliver or not. Both are out of our control. After I receive the molds I will fly out and pick up the lambo chassis. I already have shipping and delivery arrangements to my chassis fabricator taken care of.
I appreciate all the kind words of support. Thanks again I'm kinda done with this discussion....Dave
PS tusabe you are more than welcome to contact me and maybe we can work out a meeting . I will point out I'm super busy with my construction business until the summer is over.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on March 30, 2014, 02:17:13 PM
Been having some problems uploading my pics. I'm at an Embassy Suite in Monterey waiting for my sister. So it could be the Hilton Honors internet connection
Oh good heres the side intake being done in carbon fiber. Theres two pieces Watson doesn't do for kit builders so of course I must do them.
second pic is the gas cap done in carbon fiber.
third pic are two turtle shell molds. I make the turtle shells and sell them using 100% pf the proceeds going to the Ohau sea turtle rescue
fourth pic is the top and bottom pieces pulled from the Watson molds. The quality of the molds is excellent and so clean I feel I can pull some of the future pieces with release wax only.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on March 30, 2014, 02:27:43 PM
Wow what a difference a day makes. pics are loading fine one at a time
first pic is the edges are so sharp.
second pic is the gas cap pulled theres a certain direction it has to come out at and it did easily
third pic of the bottom piece that goes on the original cars. I made it separately and will bond it to the main piece
fourth pic is the inside of the side intake. Typically not made for kit builders but it was pretty easy to do and really gives it a finished look.
fifth pic is the finish edge of the mold. There's a 3/4 ounce of fiberglass matt over the carbon fiber so its pretty easy to see its carbon fiber even though this will be a painted piece.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on March 30, 2014, 02:45:27 PM
I was hoping to get some fiberglass done on the second pulls which will be solid fiberglass matt very similar to how Watson does it. I want the different pieces to be able to compare them side by side in terms of strength and weight.
in the first pic you can see some clay that was put in the original piece. I will sand that out and repull a mold theres no reason for everyone to have top keep sanding the same problem area
2nd pic is a ridgeback turtle shell mold. I have been making these for years to help improve my skills.
Fourth pic is a piece I pulled of a Hawaiian sea turtle shell. its pretty big Thanks for looking...dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 04, 2014, 01:31:19 AM
As of this moment I'd like to point out I have received artwork for the decals, but my intention is to take it to some of my printers and get some quotes to produce a few.  I actually just wanted two sets for my personal needs but I appreciate Chris's confidence in asking me to run with this. I think...lol
So today I finally made it to the big times in terms of fiberglass suppliers. I went to Sacramento to start working with a large scale distributor. Since I'm in the swimming pool business they always think its fiberglass pools but we generally build gunite pools. Bought some tooling gel coat and vinylester. I've been dying to work with vinylester being the big brother to polyester resins. It beats polyester in almost every category except cost. My understanding on the LP-640 OEM panels is that they are carbon fiber using epoxy resins. Considered the best. Most all kit builders use polyester resin which is at the low scale. Issues typically arise concerning air bubbles trapped below the surface and strength issues one the panels are installed on a car. Watson had used polyester and as I had talked to him he seemed to be very much in favor of the vinylester being superior but that the polyester was fine. So I guess I will duplicate my parts and see what I see. I'm starting to bend my thoughts to producing some body panels once the molds are delivered. There seems to be interest in getting some highly detailed and quality parts. My timetable is definitely after the summer which is the busiest part of the  construction season. I would like to create some inventory so people don't wait for months for parts. Its kind of a ridiculous way to build only after they are ordered. We have the man power, warehouse space and monetary commitment but it will start out very slow. So if there is some interest out there please PM me directly. And if there is some suggestions or ideas on different ways to go vinylester versus polyester, random mat fiberglass versus carbon fiber core. Oh another point is I understand Watson would do a minimum trim and the pieces are yours to finish. I really feel I can put the parts together. So my thought is to get pieces assembled so there's less from a fiberglassing standpoint to do. Thanks for looking...Dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on April 04, 2014, 09:48:52 AM
Yes, although I've never used it, my understanding is vinylester resin is superior in every way but cost. It has superior properties of stiffness and heat tolerance. Vinylester gelcoat actually exists too but it is tough to find a place that sells it. I don't personally use vinylester because my composite supplier said most of the time it is overkill for automotive panels and I don't think people will want to pay a premium for it. If I thought people would pay for it, I would use it in a heartbeat.

I like that you are starting to use carbon fiber. It looks like you are just using a standard wet layup process. I suggest you look into vacuum infusion process. Your cloth to resin ratio will be better which will make your parts lighter, stronger and the surface quality of your parts will be higher. You will need a thinned down infusion resin and larger flanges to accommodate the vacuum bag seal. I plan to make carbon fiber body panels for my car and this is the route I am going.

I respect that you are looking to improve on Watson's parts because they were generally considered the highest quality you could get. I also respect that you want to keep an inventory. I agree with Tallon that it isn't unreasonable to build a part after it has been ordered but I prefer not to roll that way either. I am watching your progress with interest.

Mike
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on April 04, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
I thought you just make the gelcoat by adding pigment to it?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on April 04, 2014, 12:47:47 PM
I thought you just make the gelcoat by adding pigment to it?
Gelcoat is thicker so it sticks to vertical surfaces better than regular resin. I have read that you can make your own gelcoat by adding thickeners like cabosil or others but I really don't want to go down that road. I use polyester tooling gelcoat for my molds and I could use that on my parts too but it is quite a bit more expensive than regular polyester gelcoat.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 09, 2014, 11:00:43 PM
Well I've been having a blast experimenting with carbon fiber, vinylester and spraying my tooling gel coat. All great improvements. Had talked to John yesterday and I was interested in whether he is taking advantage of this extra time and good weather to make good on his obligations and he said he was working very hard to get those parts made. I also asked for another shipment of some of the molds to keep me busy and he promised more would be shipped this week. In going through some of my previous acquisitions I came across some nice headlight buckets and housings that I am currently molding. I'm excited about the outcome and the possibility if building my two personal bodies using carbon fiber with vinylester resin panels. On my test gas cap the vinylester with fiberglass Matt came in lighter than the carbon fiber with polyester resin by 1/2 ounce. In considering it with John it has more to do with the ease at which vinylester flows verses polyester.. The part is extremely strong and lightweight. I'm doing a comparison if all three gas caps in an oven to check out their long term durability . I do want to move toward vaccume wrapping the parts to be able to draw out excess resin. It's been interesting experimenting and improving my techniques. With John guidance I've been able to push my envelope of understanding with johns years of experience. I don't always agree with John but the different angle he offers is inspiring. Thanks for listening Dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on April 10, 2014, 09:21:37 AM
Sounds like you are having fun Dave. Vacuum bagging is good but vacuum INFUSION is even better. Parts will be lighter and stronger using the technique. Have you looked into vacuum infusion?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: RawBuilder on April 10, 2014, 10:56:33 AM
The carbon fiber infusion process is definitely the best way.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Digibeam on April 24, 2014, 11:23:38 PM
Bump

Just wondering the progress of Mr Watson on the completion of parts and the transfer of moulds to the Wild West..
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 12:02:58 AM
Yes Big Pines and Rawbuilder I have actually had a chance to see that process done. I think its the best but then again we are talking kit car bodies. I think the process has to be somewhat simple and efficient to keep the prices within the realm of the average Joe. Talking about myself. I do like the wet layup for the carbon fiber and also using vinylester for my cars but I would probably produce additional pieces in random mat and polyester resin which is fine for what we do. In my humble opinion.
I have recently had a chance to tour a kit car manufacturer, aerospace manufacturer and Viking Pools manufacture plant north of Sacramento. All were so different and yet so much alike. The aerospace manufacture was producing wind turbine generator blades. Just incredible work.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Onewickedsvt on April 25, 2014, 12:04:13 AM
Allegedly he told me at around 3 pm pacific time(I'm on vacation) that he got a few big parts ready and he will be getting the rest together and box it up for shipping.

I'm not going to hold my breathe as I have a plan B if he falls through and it won't be pretty, legally speaking.

Attorneys have been spoken with in the state of Georgia. A phone call and a notarized letter is all it will take.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 12:11:47 AM
Yes Autopro, after being screwed over on my reventon body I've gotten a little cynical about these long distance big purchases. But I can tell you I did give my visa information to a shipper and the ship date is scheduled for next Wednesday. Now this will be a partial small shipment but it is said to be molds that John is done with. I've made so many gas caps and side scoops I could make a few windchimes. But I will maintain hope that all will end well. I have another kit car and motorcycle kit I am buying long distance but I have been hesitant to pull the trigger until I get some satisfaction from Watson. Its not fair to my new seller but it human nature to be cautious when you've been stung once.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 12:18:43 AM
Ok  what Ive been up to since I have no molds. The miniT a 2/3 scale Tumbler replica built pretty accurate. The initial frame is to simply support the panels but it will be used as a template for the chassis I will be building for the following build, This is simply the mock-up panels for the molds I will be pulling.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 12:27:09 AM
These were some molds that meant so much to me when I first started. They were built out of styrafoam with bondo and the primered and painted. The mold making at the time consisted of brushing on PVA and for most of the molds the surface was simply gelcoat. Not tooling. I even had some molds that were polyester resin. The world has changed for me as some of the new products were introduced to me and I figured out the technique. Just hours and hours of trial and error. So it was a sad and non-ceremonious end to these molds being thrown in the dumpster but its now out with the old and in with the new.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 12:36:16 AM
This was a piece I acquired on ebay its a mounting unit for the underside of the light box as I like to call it. The piece was generally in good shape but two issues I had were the connection to the light box had a lot of gaps and the surface had a lot of marring and scratches. So even though I made a mold of the unfinished version( I call that insurance) I will remake the light mount better, tighter and cleaner. I've trimmed up the areas to make it fit better and even extended some of the side to create a better fit. Refiberglassed some torn parts that ruptured during the pulls. I also bondo sanded primered wet sanded and painted them in a semigloss black with a clear coat. Should have them ready by next week to create some molds.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 12:42:04 AM
Made molds of the light boxes even though my intention is to redo these parts too. Insurance. The edging around the light box was very much off from the left and right sides. Also whoever created them put tape on the inside of the mold creating a tape line in the finish product. And finally the holes are such a pain to cut so I hope to incorporate them into the mold.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 12:44:23 AM
Had a skull laying around my garage so I thought might as well try to mold that.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 12:46:25 AM
So it popped right out. that always feels good.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 12:51:51 AM
So the skull face came out great so now I can make as many as I want....right?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 12:53:58 AM
The murcie body had to be moved outside until I can get the chassis over to my house
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 12:58:34 AM
I had bought two more 88 fieros for my reventon bodies but since that didn't happen here they sit. I do plan on building a couple reventon in the future but who knows by then I might have a tubular chassis to put them on. I do have a Northstar engine and tranny ready to go.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: batbuilder on April 25, 2014, 01:03:13 AM
OK last one for the night. Been doing a lot of welding on the panel frame and its actually starting to look like something. Remember this is just the panel frame but it will be used to create the chassis oh and its not finished . Thanks for looking. I appreciate all the conversations I've had with you all off the website....dave
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: INSPIREcomposite (BANNED) on April 25, 2014, 06:05:49 AM
Yes Big Pines and Rawbuilder I have actually had a chance to see that process done. I think its the best but then again we are talking kit car bodies. I think the process has to be somewhat simple and efficient to keep the prices within the realm of the average Joe. Talking about myself. I do like the wet layup for the carbon fiber and also using vinylester for my cars but I would probably produce additional pieces in random mat and polyester resin which is fine for what we do. In my humble opinion.
I have recently had a chance to tour a kit car manufacturer, aerospace manufacturer and Viking Pools manufacture plant north of Sacramento. All were so different and yet so much alike. The aerospace manufacture was producing wind turbine generator blades. Just incredible work.

vacuum bagging with a top layer of cf and the rest of the layers in glass would be efficient in terms of cost, look, and finish of part. I myself have started getting into vacuum bagging with cf, its alot of fun.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: SchulzeA on April 25, 2014, 10:00:03 AM
What happened to your Reventon bodies?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on April 25, 2014, 10:28:20 AM
Yes Big Pines and Rawbuilder I have actually had a chance to see that process done. I think its the best but then again we are talking kit car bodies. I think the process has to be somewhat simple and efficient to keep the prices within the realm of the average Joe. Talking about myself. I do like the wet layup for the carbon fiber and also using vinylester for my cars but I would probably produce additional pieces in random mat and polyester resin which is fine for what we do. In my humble opinion.
I have recently had a chance to tour a kit car manufacturer, aerospace manufacturer and Viking Pools manufacture plant north of Sacramento. All were so different and yet so much alike. The aerospace manufacture was producing wind turbine generator blades. Just incredible work.

vacuum bagging with a top layer of cf and the rest of the layers in glass would be efficient in terms of cost, look, and finish of part. I myself have started getting into vacuum bagging with cf, its alot of fun.

Vacuum bagging is better than standard wet layup for sure but in my mind, why not just do infusion? It is cheaper because it uses less resin, the parts are lighter, stronger and have a better surface quality. I don't see much of a downside compared to standard vacuum bagging. The only extra complexity is one resin hose.

I personally don't understand the practice of doing carbon-glass mix. You have the added expense of carbon without the strength of pure carbon and you get most the weight of glass. If you are purely doing a dress part, you could make an argument for it I guess but I wouldn't bother. Carbon isn't *THAT* expensive. You'd be so much better off using carbon with a foam core.

Mike
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Digibeam on April 25, 2014, 02:01:34 PM
quick note on vacuum bagging using single layers of CF and FG behind,  the white will show through if you dont use several layers of CF, several layers of CF is more than enough for the part and then i tend to back it with a black layer of a composite mixture or 2 part urethane tinted black.
 
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on April 25, 2014, 03:07:53 PM
Yes, if the material behind the carbon is not black, it will tend to show through unless there are multiple layers of carbon. Good catch!
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: INSPIREcomposite (BANNED) on April 25, 2014, 06:04:32 PM
Yes Big Pines and Rawbuilder I have actually had a chance to see that process done. I think its the best but then again we are talking kit car bodies. I think the process has to be somewhat simple and efficient to keep the prices within the realm of the average Joe. Talking about myself. I do like the wet layup for the carbon fiber and also using vinylester for my cars but I would probably produce additional pieces in random mat and polyester resin which is fine for what we do. In my humble opinion.
I have recently had a chance to tour a kit car manufacturer, aerospace manufacturer and Viking Pools manufacture plant north of Sacramento. All were so different and yet so much alike. The aerospace manufacture was producing wind turbine generator blades. Just incredible work.

vacuum bagging with a top layer of cf and the rest of the layers in glass would be efficient in terms of cost, look, and finish of part. I myself have started getting into vacuum bagging with cf, its alot of fun.

Vacuum bagging is better than standard wet layup for sure but in my mind, why not just do infusion? It is cheaper because it uses less resin, the parts are lighter, stronger and have a better surface quality. I don't see much of a downside compared to standard vacuum bagging. The only extra complexity is one resin hose.

I personally don't understand the practice of doing carbon-glass mix. You have the added expense of carbon without the strength of pure carbon and you get most the weight of glass. If you are purely doing a dress part, you could make an argument for it I guess but I wouldn't bother. Carbon isn't *THAT* expensive. You'd be so much better off using carbon with a foam core.

Mike

infusion is really an extreme way of fabricating carbon fiber panels, its really meant for the aero industry that need the most optimum weight reduction in panels. koenigsegg and pagani doesnt even do infusion because its not necessary for auto applications. lexus does do an injection for their monocoque tub though, but thats lexus, a billion dollar company. its alot more difficult to do, takes alot more time and a harder learning curve than just regular vacuum bagging.

you can just use carbon veil behind the first layer of carbon fiber weave so that it doesnt show through.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on April 25, 2014, 06:13:27 PM
Are you speaking from experience INSPIREcomposites? Have you tried infusion? I would be interested to hear any problems you encountered. I am definitely going there and will be sure to let people know how it goes for me.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: INSPIREcomposite (BANNED) on April 26, 2014, 05:58:03 AM
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I personally don't understand the practice of doing carbon-glass mix.
mike. in the last 20 years, many of the aftermarket "cf" hoods that they sell to tuners have been a top layer and bottom layer of cf and the core glass to save money. so obviously their is a good reason for it.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: INSPIREcomposite (BANNED) on April 26, 2014, 06:00:35 AM
Are you speaking from experience INSPIREcomposites? Have you tried infusion? I would be interested to hear any problems you encountered. I am definitely going there and will be sure to let people know how it goes for me.

no i have not, because i understand that it is not necessary for me to use that method over vacuum bagging. its not necessary for kit car parts because its more complex, and the added strength isnt needed. simple as that.

this is batbuilders qoute "I think the process has to be somewhat simple and efficient to keep the prices within the realm of the average Joe."

somewhat simple and efficient is the key words, i gave him pretty good advice. a way to do it simple and cost effective to get a CF look. i think suggesting he do infusion is bad advice. try infusing a bumper and tell me how easy that is for an amateur, and its not as simple as just "adding a hose" to a vacuum bagging method.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on April 26, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
Yeah, I understand some people are just after the CF look because it is trendy and they want it on the cheap. If that's all you want, just vinyl wrap fiberglass. ;) That is a lot easier and cheaper. For myself, I want more.

It is funny how some people say, this or that is "good enough for a kit car". I don't look at it that way. I try to decide what is the best method (within reason) to make a part. This is a car I am building, not a "kit car".

My advice was to look into using the generally accepted best method (within our reach anyway). It's not like I said something ridiculous like use an autoclave. Each to their own. Maybe it won't work out for me but that is my first choice. If it doesn't work out, I will fall back to vacuum bagging. I will use basic wet layup as a method of last resort.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on April 26, 2014, 11:58:29 AM
I don't think carbon vinyl is a good alternative to a real carbon skin...
and it's usually wrapped around a painted/clear coated part not bare fg?
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on April 26, 2014, 12:03:53 PM
Hehehehe

I agree. That was just a dumb tongue in cheek comment to illustrate that some people don't really care about the weight or strength benefits of CF. All they want is the look.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tallon on April 26, 2014, 12:10:23 PM
Well we're not building race cars and if our panels shatter, fg or carbon I don't see where the difference will come in if it's not used for just looks.. If these are interior pieces, I don't see when there will ever be a difference other than having the satisfaction, only you will know, of having a full carbon part covered in leather and more money in your build. This is usually when someone would custom order a full carbon part for themself. Not everyone can afford that and I think this is why Dave would want to give more economical options.

I think most lambo owners only care that their car is made of carbon because it means they have an expensive car not because it's light and "stronger."
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on April 26, 2014, 12:41:08 PM
We are all entitled to our own opinions and we can make our own decisions. Most people are perfectly happy with fiberglass. Since I am making my own parts, doing CF is not very expensive so I am doing it. Dave is looking to do CF himself and that is the reason we are on this topic.

I think I have made my point so I won't harp on it anymore here.

Sorry Dave, back to your build.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: 76mx on April 26, 2014, 11:12:54 PM
Just a thought here, but vinyl is yesterdays news. Make a conventional economical fiberglass part, economically hydro dip it with carbon fiber film, and I challenge anyone to hold this part and a real carbon one in their hand and tell which one is which. All you need is about $100 and a bathtub to do several square yards worth of parts. 
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Digibeam on April 26, 2014, 11:40:02 PM
I would take that challenge.... ::K
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: Tusabes on April 27, 2014, 04:17:05 AM
Hydrographic is cool but looks fake like plastic
3m DiNoc vinyl wrap looks better to me
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on April 27, 2014, 09:14:56 AM
Hahaha. I would take that challenge myself! I believe 76mx's tongue is in his cheek too!

Hydro dipping is very cool stuff and like vinyl, a great alternative for one who only cares about cosmetics.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: simoncbrr1 on September 06, 2014, 05:13:05 PM
Batbuilder, just got done reading this entire thread and I love the attention to detail you are putting in your build. Love that you have multiple projects going, that way you can switch whenever you get bored of one and never burnt out on the entire thing! I have dabbled in making a few carbon parts and wanted to make a few recommendations. I make all my parts out of epoxy as the adhesion is better and the strength is better. The epoxy I get is fairly cheap and works well. I use infusion and the quality of parts is pretty good and with experience I'm sure I'll have perfect parts soon. I use frekote mold sealer and frekote release and it works beautifully. No surface transfer like pva and the release is perfect every time, unlike wax. I'm pretty sure you can use it on all types of molds. You can get it and carbon fiber for pretty cheap from soller composites. Also I get my resin from eBay, max clr, the one specifically designed for infusion. I also use a 2k uv and gas resistant clear to finish my parts. I attached some b-pillars from a 350z that I made.
Title: Re: batbuilder's LP640 called "No Mercie"
Post by: BigPines on September 06, 2014, 06:59:20 PM
Very nice work simoncbrr1. Sounds like you are going the road I plan to take. I may have to pick your brain as I get more into the carbon fiber stuff.

I'd also love to hear an update on BatBuilder's LP640.