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Title: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on December 21, 2012, 01:13:13 PM
LamboJayso here sharing my OEM roadster build with the world. This is my second go around. I completed a G28 coupe last year. The donor I am using for this build is an '86 Fiero. This time I decided to go a different route with the body because there is just so much wrong with the G28. So far so good with building an OEM body on a Fiero. Below are pictures, enjoy.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/osqzqr.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2zrgvad.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Murci-Me on December 21, 2012, 05:41:49 PM
Very nice  ;)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: pslim337 on December 21, 2012, 08:19:02 PM
a what size wheels r those i no there iforged
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Tusabes on December 21, 2012, 10:04:38 PM
Is that a johnwatson body ?
This will be a great build
Haven't seen a Watson car finished yet

and I know you will do it
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on December 22, 2012, 08:14:09 AM
Very nice  ;)
Thx

a what size wheels r those i no there iforged

I'll create another thread depicting more information on the rims so anyone who's interested in ordering them can have a source to do so.

Is that a johnwatson body ?
This will be a great build
Haven't seen a Watson car finished yet

and I know you will do it
You're absolutely correct, as far as I know there hasn't been an OEM body completed on a Fiero here in the states. Outside of the country, yes, on the Mr2.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Tallon on December 22, 2012, 04:18:35 PM
haha your car already looks more complete than most of ours
good stuff
What color will it be?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on December 22, 2012, 05:12:51 PM
Very inspiring! I own an 86 GT I hope to do the samething your doing to your car someday soon. ::beers
Ain't nothing to it but to do it, VF.

haha your car already looks more complete than most of ours
good stuff
What color will it be?
Either yellow or orange
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 27, 2013, 05:18:42 PM
Here's how I'm mounting my door latches. Once I shoot a metal tubing from the latch back to the door frame, it will be solid as a rock. You almost have to have a do whatever it takes attitude and keep it moving to complete these builds.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/6yjytl.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/11iz40w.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 27, 2013, 06:44:45 PM
& this is how it will look in the end once I dress it up with the black grommets. The beautiful part about mounting the latch like OEM as oppose to the G28, it's easily accessible from the outside.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2uj2fzl.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LP640 on January 27, 2013, 07:32:06 PM
looks, great, Id like more info on the wheels also. With them that deep im sure you didnt need a big spacer. if any at all.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 27, 2013, 07:53:10 PM
looks, great, Id like more info on the wheels also. With them that deep im sure you didnt need a big spacer. if any at all.

Sure:
http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=455.msg5515#new (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=455.msg5515#new)
or
http://www.iforged.com/us/main.php (http://www.iforged.com/us/main.php)

Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: MDMurcy2 on January 27, 2013, 08:45:04 PM
Nice fitment for the latch.  I really like that.   
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 27, 2013, 08:56:11 PM
Nice fitment for the latch.  I really like that.
Thx MD
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: 01Lambiero on January 28, 2013, 12:38:18 PM
Why is it that you are mounting your latch recessed into the door inner?  By doing so, you are moving the door inner rearward toward the latch striker and you may run out of clearance.


(http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab295/lambeiro/9999556/Lambo%20Pictures/mounted.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Onewickedsvt on January 28, 2013, 01:24:01 PM
say that again?

is that a murcielago latch you have in the pic(black door), or is it a diablo?

Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: 01Lambiero on January 28, 2013, 07:38:19 PM
I can see the edge of the door glass so it would have to be a roadster but could be either Diablo or Murcie.  I believe that the builder used the later style Mercedes latch and installed it inside of the inner.  It looks like the inner is hitting the striker when he closes the door.  The further the latch is mounted in the inner, the more you have to shim the striker on the jamb forward.  Jim
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 28, 2013, 07:49:26 PM
No worries Lambiero, the door closes on the striker perfectly w/ample clearance.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 28, 2013, 08:01:31 PM
I spent today working on the door.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2yjzd3d.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/35d6xw7.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/jg42yu.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/13yqhcj.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/rt0xhc.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: MDMurcy2 on January 28, 2013, 08:07:08 PM
Dang.  That's the nicest inner door shell I've seen. 
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 28, 2013, 08:15:15 PM
Dang.  That's the nicest inner door shell I've seen.
MD, every part of this body is nice. Compared to my first build, I have a deep appreciation for working on something so clean.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: RT on January 28, 2013, 08:38:30 PM
LamboJayso, you are doing a very nice job with your doors.  One thing I highly recommend is securely connecting the steel door frame to the hinge plate at the front.  (Read that "weld a braced steel connection")  That will stiffen the door to the hinge to eliminate side play when the door is open.  The fiberglass alone can flex and that will cause the latch to "miss" the part of the latch on the door jamb and cause a lot of paint chipping when the door hits the body.  Secure them together and save a lot of headaches.
Also, on that same note,  it looks like your hinge is all steel.  I welded wider extensions on the sides of the hinge that bolts to the chassis to give it a more stable stance.  You can't do too much to make the doors open and close well.

RT
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 28, 2013, 08:48:42 PM
LamboJayso, you are doing a very nice job with your doors.  One thing I highly recommend is securely connecting the steel door frame to the hinge plate at the front.  (Read that "weld a braced steel connection")  That will stiffen the door to the hinge to eliminate side play when the door is open.  The fiberglass alone can flex and that will cause the latch to "miss" the part of the latch on the door jamb and cause a lot of paint chipping when the door hits the body.  Secure them together and save a lot of headaches.
Also, on that same note,  it looks like your hinge is all steel.  I welded wider extensions on the sides of the hinge that bolts to the chassis to give it a more stable stance.  You can't do too much to make the doors open and close well.

RT

Thx RT, absolutely, the plate the hinge bolts up to must be integrated into the frame. The same way the latch is integrated. I just left it like that for now.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on January 28, 2013, 09:22:17 PM
LamboJayso, you are doing a very nice job with your doors.  One thing I highly recommend is securely connecting the steel door frame to the hinge plate at the front.  (Read that "weld a braced steel connection")  That will stiffen the door to the hinge to eliminate side play when the door is open.  The fiberglass alone can flex and that will cause the latch to "miss" the part of the latch on the door jamb and cause a lot of paint chipping when the door hits the body.  Secure them together and save a lot of headaches.
Also, on that same note,  it looks like your hinge is all steel.  I welded wider extensions on the sides of the hinge that bolts to the chassis to give it a more stable stance.  You can't do too much to make the doors open and close well.

RT

I was at my buddies house over the weekend and I was checking our his Murci build that has the doors mounted up.  The exterior door panel is off the car so it gave me a really good chance to see what causes a door to wobble.  I think a common mistake is making the inner frames too weak which creates flex on the frame in all directions.  I think we underestimate the weight of the door and the pressures put on the frame when the door is closed (the gas shock is always pressing on it) and especially when the door is opening.  He is using the traditional 1" square tube framing that  creates the basic rectangular frame.  When the door opens, you can watch the frame flex in both directions (up and down and side to side).  He is aware of this and is changing it to make everything stiffer. 

It's just important that once you have strong inner frames, you secure the frames to the door shells and I'd strongly advise everyone not to use fiberglass or glue to just adhere them together.  After enough hard slams and some cold to hot temperature changes, it's a sure bet that your bonding material will give over time.  I built flanges on my frames and tapped holes into them.  I then used a countersinking bit in a drill and beveled the fiberglass so I could use countersunk screws (hex head) to screw everything together. 

Some adhesive between the frame and inner shell will help hold it together but also acts as sound-deadening to minimize the squeaks and rattles (the key is that it's the primary method for holding everything together).  From the outside of the door it looks very factory and if you need to disassemble everything, you simply remove the screws and break the adhesive loose. 

I'm using 3" rectangular tubing tubing for my frames but I'm now considering boxing my frames inside the doors with additional 1" square tubing to eliminate as much flex as possible.  I'll also tie my door latches into my door frames and build additional framing behind the strikers on the door jamb.

Your car is looking great Jay.. keep the pictures coming!   ::thumbup

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 28, 2013, 09:38:02 PM
I agree with you No Bull, that's why I'm using 11ga (1/8" thick) tubing to add as much weight as possible and to keep things rigid. I happen to have an OEM door shock. Lamborghini uses a 258* lb force shock for their doors. Which tells me an OEM door roughly weighs 220 lbs. When my doors are all said and done, I'd like them to weigh around 150 lbs.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jamack on January 28, 2013, 10:18:03 PM
My car has OEM doors both sides, they weigh about 95lbs with glass and all. They are very awkward though and the weight is distributed with some funky loads on the hinges I'm sure, this is probably the reason to use such a large weight capacity on the rod
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Murci-Me on January 28, 2013, 10:41:05 PM
I agree with you No Bull, that's why I'm using 11ga (1/8" thick) tubing to add as much weight as possible and to keep things rigid. I happen to have an OEM door shock. Lamborghini uses a 281 lb force shock for their doors. Which tells me an OEM door roughly weighs 250lbs. When my doors are all said and done, I'd like them to weigh around 150 lbs.

HUH? How did you calculate that?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 28, 2013, 10:45:37 PM
My car has OEM doors both sides, they weigh about 95lbs with glass and all. They are very awkward though and the weight is distributed with some funky loads on the hinges I'm sure, this is probably the reason to use such a large weight capacity on the rod
Lol my G28 doors weighed more than 95 lbs glass and all & those things are short compared to an OEM sized door.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 28, 2013, 10:49:46 PM
I agree with you No Bull, that's why I'm using 11ga (1/8" thick) tubing to add as much weight as possible and to keep things rigid. I happen to have an OEM door shock. Lamborghini uses a 281 lb force shock for their doors. Which tells me an OEM door roughly weighs 250lbs. When my doors are all said and done, I'd like them to weigh around 150 lbs.

HUH? How did you calculate that?
Now, I haven't had the privilege to weigh an OEM door but if Lamborghini is using a 258* lb force shock for their doors, MM what do you think they weigh then? I know the trajectory at which the shock is mounted also plays a role in determining the force of the shock.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on January 28, 2013, 10:55:59 PM
I always liked the idea of using the adjustable shocks that come intentionally "overcharged" which allows you to let pressure out to exactly the right amount.  The trick is to remember that you can easily let pressure out but add pressure if you let to much out (pressurized with nitrogen).  These shocks are a little more expensive than a normal shock but it could save a lot of headaches and time and give your doors that smooth opening appearance.

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jamack on January 28, 2013, 11:07:56 PM
So what is the best shock to use? Need to get some asap, jay pm the address so i can
Send the inside handle
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on January 28, 2013, 11:18:03 PM
Mcmaster-Carr regular and adjustable shocks (as shared before by JDinner).

http://www.mcmaster.com/#gas-springs/=l8oeoh (http://www.mcmaster.com/#gas-springs/=l8oeoh)

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 28, 2013, 11:20:01 PM
So what is the best shock to use? Need to get some asap, jay pm the address so i can
Send the inside handle
Pm sent...Jamack you have to weigh the overall entirety of the door. Meaning, the doors, regulator, glass, door cards, speaker, hinge, mirrors, etc the complete door. Once you have a good estimate as to what your door will weigh in the end, PM me and I'll have the people who are making my shocks make yours. It will cost approx. $100 per shock to make.

-or-

If you feel the weight of your doors are still consistent to an OEM door, you can simply order it from Lamborghini then. It's about $80 a shock through Lamborghini. I'd buy just one and test it on both doors first though.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Murci-Me on January 28, 2013, 11:22:34 PM
I agree with you No Bull, that's why I'm using 11ga (1/8" thick) tubing to add as much weight as possible and to keep things rigid. I happen to have an OEM door shock. Lamborghini uses a 281 lb force shock for their doors. Which tells me an OEM door roughly weighs 250lbs. When my doors are all said and done, I'd like them to weigh around 150 lbs.

HUH? How did you calculate that?
Now, I haven't had the privledge to weigh an OEM door but if Lamborghini is using a 281 lb force shock for their doors, MM what do you think they weigh then? I know the trajectory at which the shock is mounted also plays a role in determining the force of the shock.
Exact-atac-ally Jayso! The finished door should weigh in at about 120-130 lbs. The shock on the OEM door is rated to support a static weight of 281lbs, but that is normally rated much higher than the weight of the door because of the mounting area and hinge location. Try putting a 20lb weight on the end of a 6 foot pole, and then lift it from the other end. You have to exert much more force to lift that weight in that fashion than if the force was directly underneath that 20lb weight.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jamack on January 29, 2013, 12:17:28 AM
The OEM door I weighed was 48 pounds with everything except the window, door panel, window regulator and mirror, my estimate of 95 was soley on the fact of what the door weighed, the glass was shipped at 12 pounds which included the packaging, if you take the travel of the door I'm sure the heavy gas rod would be needed, probably if your door weight is very much more you may consider even a heavier rod...
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 29, 2013, 12:35:06 AM
The OEM door I weighed was 48 pounds with everything except the window, door panel, window regulator and mirror, my estimate of 95 was soley on the fact of what the door weighed, the glass was shipped at 12 pounds which included the packaging, if you take the travel of the door I'm sure the heavy gas rod would be needed, probably if your door weight is very much more you may consider even a heavier rod...
I see...I'm going to use the OEM shock I have as a test shock. If the shock is too strong or weak for my doors then I'll just have one built identically but with the appropriate force.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jdinner on January 29, 2013, 05:30:22 AM
I can't say how much I loved these struts. Let the gas out until it works the way you want. They work amazing.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#reducible-force-gas-springs/=l8t7ja (http://www.mcmaster.com/#reducible-force-gas-springs/=l8t7ja)

Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Tallon on January 29, 2013, 06:59:47 AM
oem door is also metal
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: RT on January 29, 2013, 07:03:44 AM
I agree with jdinner on the reducible force struts.  Just make sure you hang ALL the weight on the door before you adjust the pressure.  You can't add pressure back in.
In a related topic, here is my video on how I made the door strut seal through the hole in the door:

Replica Lambo Door Strut Seal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbAxNwO-Jx0#)

RT
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 29, 2013, 07:49:00 AM
I can't say how much I loved these struts. Let the gas out until it works the way you want. They work amazing.

[url]http://www.mcmaster.com/#reducible-force-gas-springs/=l8t7ja[/url] ([url]http://www.mcmaster.com/#reducible-force-gas-springs/=l8t7ja[/url])

Thx for this.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 29, 2013, 07:51:36 AM
I agree with jdinner on the reducible force struts.  Just make sure you hang ALL the weight on the door before you adjust the pressure.  You can't add pressure back in.
In a related topic, here is my video on how I made the door strut seal through the hole in the door:

Replica Lambo Door Strut Seal ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbAxNwO-Jx0#[/url])

RT

Hey RT, what are you using inside your tracks where the glass rubs up against?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on January 29, 2013, 08:48:53 AM
I agree with jdinner on the reducible force struts.  Just make sure you hang ALL the weight on the door before you adjust the pressure.  You can't add pressure back in.
In a related topic, here is my video on how I made the door strut seal through the hole in the door:

RT

Very nicely done RT and thank you for sharing.  The quote I love the most from this clip was "when you are driving at 150.... or less"!   ::beers

I encourage everyone to share tips like this either by video or by picture and explanation.

Thanks,

Chris 
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jamack on January 29, 2013, 08:53:08 AM
Jay I think you can buy some of that track from Lambo.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: RT on January 29, 2013, 09:08:34 AM
My window tracks are from D&R.  They used a grooved plastic guide track inside the aluminum channel.
The long story on the plastic tracks is, when they had their glass made the curve at the front edge did not match the curve at the back edge.  So when the glass slid up and down the glass would bind using standard rubber/felt window guides.  The hard plastic had clearance so the glass wouldn't bind and slick enough so it would slide easily.
The track across the top of the window uses the rubber/felt and seals well.

RT
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 29, 2013, 09:35:53 AM
Jay I think you can buy some of that track from Lambo.
Yea I know, the way I see though is if I have to make a portion of the track I might as well make it all. Plus, it's cheaper and simple to make.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 29, 2013, 09:38:28 AM
My window tracks are from D&R.  They used a grooved plastic guide track inside the aluminum channel.
The long story on the plastic tracks is, when they had their glass made the curve at the front edge did not match the curve at the back edge.  So when the glass slid up and down the glass would bind using standard rubber/felt window guides.  The hard plastic had clearance so the glass wouldn't bind and slick enough so it would slide easily.
The track across the top of the window uses the rubber/felt and seals well.

RT
Ok, "grooved plastic guide track" I'll see if I can pick that up at Lowes or something similar. Thx
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: RT on January 29, 2013, 12:45:46 PM
LamboJayso,
You might be able to find something that could work but the plastic tracks that I used were custom made by D&R.
Good luck.

RT
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on January 29, 2013, 05:05:34 PM
If you can't find plastic track, you might want to consider looking for extruded flexible plastic rectangular or square tubing and slit it down the middle to create your own tracks.  If you need something with a deeper track, just cut the top off one side or cut to width. 

When I was considering doing roll up windows on my car, I was going to bend some rectangular tube to the shape of the windows in the roller press (Harbor Freight $129) and then cut the top off the tube in my band saw to expose an open channel.  There are a many options for rubber or felt lined channel molding that would be glued inside the channel.  This would give you a very quite action and provide a little "give" to absorb shock etc.

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on January 29, 2013, 05:42:04 PM
Maybe this will help.   ::beers

http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-Flex-Flocked-Rubber-Glass-Run-Channel-for-Universal-for-Buses-RV-Windows-/180927514093?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a201ec5ed&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-Flex-Flocked-Rubber-Glass-Run-Channel-for-Universal-for-Buses-RV-Windows-/180927514093?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a201ec5ed&vxp=mtr)

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: lance345 on January 29, 2013, 05:54:10 PM
Does not ship to Canada!!!! THE HORROR.

Why you guys hate us so much  :(
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 29, 2013, 06:03:07 PM
Maybe this will help.   ::beers

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-Flex-Flocked-Rubber-Glass-Run-Channel-for-Universal-for-Buses-RV-Windows-/180927514093?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a201ec5ed&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-Flex-Flocked-Rubber-Glass-Run-Channel-for-Universal-for-Buses-RV-Windows-/180927514093?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a201ec5ed&vxp=mtr[/url])

Chris

Oh wow, thx No Bull.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 29, 2013, 06:04:28 PM
Does not ship to Canada!!!! THE HORROR.

Why you guys hate us so much  :(
Lance I saw you received the door hinges yesterday. What do you think of them? Please leave a feedback. Thx
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on January 29, 2013, 06:24:45 PM
Maybe this will help.   ::beers

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-Flex-Flocked-Rubber-Glass-Run-Channel-for-Universal-for-Buses-RV-Windows-/180927514093?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a201ec5ed&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-Flex-Flocked-Rubber-Glass-Run-Channel-for-Universal-for-Buses-RV-Windows-/180927514093?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a201ec5ed&vxp=mtr[/url])

Chris

Oh wow, thx No Bull.


Let me know how it turns out and if it works well, you might want to consider bending up some "window track kits" for the body you'll be selling and buy the molding in bulk.  You could use aluminum (preferred if you can weld it) or a light weight square steel tubing which will make it easy to bend and then remove the strip out of top.

Chris 
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: rodrieguz on January 29, 2013, 07:40:19 PM
Hey guys, 

I bent my own tracks usingthe 5/8" aluminum c-channel lowes.  I made a jig out of plywood and bent the aluminum around the jig.  the trick is to heat the aluminum up, i used a benz o matic propane handheld propane torch.  If you heat the aluminum up really good it will bend like butter.  The Diablo Glass i have has a compound curve so after the main arc curve was bent for the top I used the glass and heated the aluminum up again and bent the opposite curve.  The top of the Diablo glass bends down and in.  The procedure should be the same for the murc.  I used the inserts similar to what Chris posted except I used 1/2" felt insert from a hotrod dealer on ebay.

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll167/roadster_2008/My%20gtr%20build/IMAG0612.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: rodrieguz on January 29, 2013, 07:47:36 PM
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll167/roadster_2008/My%20gtr%20build/IMAG0243.jpg)

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll167/roadster_2008/My%20gtr%20build/IMAG0615.jpg)

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll167/roadster_2008/My%20gtr%20build/IMAG1430.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: rodrieguz on January 29, 2013, 07:51:55 PM
Pic of the glass working in the tracks and felt, I went with the 5/8" channel over 1/2" to give the glass more room, nit much but it helped from my previous 1/2" tracks.

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll167/roadster_2008/My%20gtr%20build/th_VIDEO0018.jpg) (http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll167/roadster_2008/My%20gtr%20build/VIDEO0018.mp4)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 29, 2013, 08:08:57 PM
Rodrieguz, the window channel you made for your build looks good. Nice and clean!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Murci-Me on January 29, 2013, 09:26:32 PM
Why didn't you use the Thunderbird track? it fits the Diablo window opening perfectly.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 29, 2013, 09:33:12 PM
Maybe this will help.   ::beers

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-Flex-Flocked-Rubber-Glass-Run-Channel-for-Universal-for-Buses-RV-Windows-/180927514093?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a201ec5ed&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-Flex-Flocked-Rubber-Glass-Run-Channel-for-Universal-for-Buses-RV-Windows-/180927514093?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a201ec5ed&vxp=mtr[/url])

Chris

Oh wow, thx No Bull.


Let me know how it turns out and if it works well, you might want to consider bending up some "window track kits" for the body you'll be selling and buy the molding in bulk.  You could use aluminum (preferred if you can weld it) or a light weight square steel tubing which will make it easy to bend and then remove the strip out of top.

Chris

Considered! I would love to see more Murcie builds on here too. It's starting to feel lonely being the center of attention. WHERE ARE THE KIT BUYERS/BUILDERS?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Murci-Me on January 29, 2013, 09:35:32 PM
They're walking by the windows and kicking tires LOL!

(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc251/murcie-me/asian-girl-blows-kiss-gif_zpsb8e4f2cd.gif)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: rodrieguz on January 29, 2013, 09:37:05 PM
@Murci Me,  I wanted the look of orginal window channels.
My doors are super thin, copies of the oem diablo doors.  The Thunderbird tracks can be made to work but will require a lot of bending and I would have had to cut my doors because the Thunderbird tracks are about 1 1/2" wide I could be off be a 1/8 give or take.  The oem diablos have a 1/2" aluminum "L" metal bent and the metal door makes up the backside of the channel. 
Also I did not like the way the Thunderbird channels looked and would require me to do extra body work for them to flow into the door.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 29, 2013, 09:44:29 PM
They're walking by the windows and kicking tires LOL!

([url]http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc251/murcie-me/asian-girl-blows-kiss-gif_zpsb8e4f2cd.gif[/url])

Hahahahaha, it figures. Well they can also watch me go to work!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: lance345 on January 29, 2013, 11:10:23 PM
Does not ship to Canada!!!! THE HORROR.

Why you guys hate us so much  :(
Lance I saw you received the door hinges yesterday. What do you think of them? Please leave a feedback. Thx

Didn't even know they had arrived. Thanks Jayso. I had to go to our mailbox, which had a key to go to another mailbox, which had inside it a box with a box. I'll do feedback now.

I read that the window track from a 98 Maxima works with 06 Scion Tc rubber trim, but have absolutely no clue as I'm far from getting to my doors. I don't even know if it'll be feasible for me to make working glass with the kit I bought. Still deciding.

Build is looking great Jayso. I am watching in a totally harmless stalker way.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 31, 2013, 04:53:38 PM
Does not ship to Canada!!!! THE HORROR.

Why you guys hate us so much  :(
Lance I saw you received the door hinges yesterday. What do you think of them? Please leave a feedback. Thx

Didn't even know they had arrived. Thanks Jayso. I had to go to our mailbox, which had a key to go to another mailbox, which had inside it a box with a box. I'll do feedback now.

I read that the window track from a 98 Maxima works with 06 Scion Tc rubber trim, but have absolutely no clue as I'm far from getting to my doors. I don't even know if it'll be feasible for me to make working glass with the kit I bought. Still deciding.

Build is looking great Jayso. I am watching in a totally harmless stalker way.
That's cool, we're all here to help each other out.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 31, 2013, 04:54:30 PM
Here's my first build, I loved the wheels so much I had to get them again  :)


Is that an unmodified G28?
Yea, why what's up?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on February 08, 2013, 09:12:32 PM
There's a blizzard here in New Jersey so I decided to lock myself in my garage and go to work. The doors are all hinged up and ready for the glass, power window motors, and tracks. They open and close smoothly.

(Pic of my backyard)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2h320eu.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/4ztfro.jpg)

(Passenger side hinge mounted w/metal tubing alongside to mount my fender liners)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/20udgra.jpg)

(Driver side hinge w/some old glue on the fenders, can easily be sanded off)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/6ir7k5.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/f599a0.jpg)

(Passenger side striker reinforcement)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/id6f5t.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/u2ex1.jpg)

Btw, that's tape on the wheels to help keep the finish on the lips fresh. I'm going to take a break from the doors and focus on mounting the batwings next.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: acmw on February 20, 2013, 04:04:00 PM
any updates  ::headbang ::rocker
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on February 20, 2013, 05:35:22 PM
Ok just to update everyone, the body is officially/permanently mounted. The first and second pics below may look similar to the ones I posted back in December but ALOT has been done since. Notice how there aren't any jacks holding up the rockers for starters. The doors are hinged and awaiting glass, regulators, & handles.

The batwings were suppose to have been mounted already but I had a minor setback. I spent all of last week redoing the stretch. It turned out my chassis wasn't totally squared. Which caused the body to sway in one direction. I came up with a simple but effective way to check for chassis squaredness. PM me if you have any questions in that regard.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2ylp9c8.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/bdm987.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2mi0vgk.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2sah5hf.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/eunj0z.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/ot17dd.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/s2qydf.jpg)

Just a sidenote, the front wheels still need about a 3/8" wheel spacer. Plus, the car still needs to be lowered about an inch on all four corners. Due to the build, I delayed installing aftermarket suspensions just to keep things factory true. Now that the body is on for good, I can now install the suspensions. The drop and the wheel spacers in the front will make the front wheels fill the opening nicely.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on February 20, 2013, 06:04:16 PM
I've been receiving PM's on this site and the other site about every other day or so from random ppl inquiring about buying my build once it's done. I can say I have no intentions of selling this car. However, if you are as serious as you say you are about obtaining a Murcielago replica, I can help you in the build department. Below are prices for a body or doing a build.

Body:
-$7500
-ALL panel hinges are included

Build:
-$40k (wheels included)
-Price is the same for either a coupe or roadster

About two years ago, I wanted a turnkey Murcielago replica myself but after looking at horribly built ones in person and waiting and waiting for the right one to pop-up. I came to the realization I was going to have to build one myself. Buying a body from me and doing a build under my guidance will be a walk in the park. There's nothing to worry about. Interior panels are in progress
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Murci-Me on February 20, 2013, 07:36:22 PM
For the $40K price, will the car include wide track suspension with big brakes? OEM wheels and taillights? Leather or vinyl interior? How much is it for the full interior pieces?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on February 20, 2013, 07:56:08 PM
For the $40K price, will the car include wide track suspension with big brakes? OEM wheels and taillights? Leather or vinyl interior? How much is it for the full interior pieces?
-$40k will include having custom wheels like mine built to fit. However, they can buy OEM wheels if they choose (they're about the same in cost anyhow). In the event, they opt for OEM wheels then they must as well anticipate either buying wheels spacers or wide track suspensions for their build.
-Taillights yes
-Vinyl, that's what I'll be using in my build.
-Interior pieces will cost $2500
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jamack on February 20, 2013, 08:04:28 PM
Murci I have a complete OEM interior PM me and I will be glad to share with you the price and what all is there, if your interested...
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on February 20, 2013, 09:55:19 PM
It's off to a great start Jay.. please continue posting pictures and updates

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: apsara on February 20, 2013, 10:11:45 PM
you call that a blizzard? lol, sorry for laughing, we get at least 2-5ft of snow over here at times.
car looks great!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on February 21, 2013, 08:03:54 AM
Leaving the stock for now VF, thx again guys.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: rodrieguz on February 21, 2013, 11:43:45 AM
This is looking good!  Keep at it bro
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on February 22, 2013, 12:44:03 PM
This is looking good!  Keep at it bro
Will do, thx.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on February 22, 2013, 12:48:21 PM
The driver side rocker is locked in.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/141v1af.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/5361r5.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Murci-Me on February 22, 2013, 09:46:20 PM
Muy excellante' senor Jayso! (I ate mexican tonight  :)))
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: pslim337 on February 22, 2013, 10:00:44 PM
looking good jay
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on February 23, 2013, 03:55:21 PM
I love Mexican food & Mexican women even more  ;). Thx guys, how's your build coming along Pslim?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on February 23, 2013, 04:10:39 PM
Batwings in progress...

Here's the raw fit (not bad)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/ap925h.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/28c25vt.jpg)

Mounted/hinged
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2cfxhqb.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/30njd44.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/712rtw.jpg)

Final step is to bond the top half of the wing to the bottom half. Similar to how the inner & outer door skins gets bonded together in the end. Then attach the actuator.




Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: pslim337 on February 23, 2013, 07:22:04 PM
looking good jay
its coming a long fine but slow working on the doors  now  an some of the small stuff  mm helping me out big time on the cluster  jest got to get the doors out the way then its down hill from there
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 17, 2013, 07:33:55 PM
Mirrors are in progress. After both mirrors are mounted then it's fitting the windshield, top, decklid, interior, bodywork, and finally paint. Then she'll be ready for the road! Simple as pie.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/o95v.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: 1sicklambo on March 18, 2013, 10:42:08 AM
Cant wait till the paint is done
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: autopro on March 18, 2013, 12:47:51 PM
Mirrors are in progress. After both mirrors are mounted then it's fitting the windshield, top, decklid, interior, bodywork, and finally paint. Then she'll be ready for the road! Simple as pie.


What windshield will you be using?  What about your door glass?

Looking good bud!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 18, 2013, 01:02:55 PM
Thx, I should have one narrowed down by the end of this week. I made a template from one of the OEM windshields John has when I was there. Door glass, I bought OEM.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on March 18, 2013, 06:47:50 PM
Is it odd that as an owner of a real one, I am enjoying this build?  Very cool.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: SchulzeA on March 18, 2013, 06:55:57 PM
Is it odd that as an owner of a real one, I am enjoying this build?  Very cool.
It would be odd if your here but don't like lambo replicas...
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 18, 2013, 07:35:14 PM
Is it odd that as an owner of a real one, I am enjoying this build?  Very cool.
Thx, post some pics of your ride as it sits today right here in my thread, I don't mind.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on March 19, 2013, 07:17:05 AM
Is it odd that as an owner of a real one, I am enjoying this build?  Very cool.
It would be odd if your here but don't like lambo replicas...

You would be suprised, there is a good bit of anomosity against 'cloners' on the real cars sites, because people feel parts they need for their cars are being taken by people who are making 'forgeries' which makes it harder for them to source important parts they need for their own cars that they paid a lot more for.  NOW WITH THAT SAID, I am not looking for this DEBATE to rage on here.  I was simply explaining that I might be odd, because I dont share that opinion, I enjoy this, because quite frankly this guy has skills.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on March 19, 2013, 07:21:31 AM
Is it odd that as an owner of a real one, I am enjoying this build?  Very cool.
Thx, post some pics of your ride as it sits today right here in my thread, I don't mind.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/884460_10151285478962121_913465591_o.jpg)

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/482552_10150887661827121_2108198445_n.jpg)

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/487962_10150898051447121_56156193_n.jpg)

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/208908_10150898051532121_1314276827_n.jpg)

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/181340_10150898052047121_1223084077_n.jpg)

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/582175_10150898052072121_62757516_n.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 19, 2013, 08:19:24 AM
Lol, looking good looking good! I'm glad I'm doing a roadster this time  ::headbang
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: SchulzeA on March 19, 2013, 08:30:48 AM
Is it odd that as an owner of a real one, I am enjoying this build?  Very cool.
It would be odd if your here but don't like lambo replicas...

You would be suprised, there is a good bit of anomosity against 'cloners' on the real cars sites, because people feel parts they need for their cars are being taken by people who are making 'forgeries' which makes it harder for them to source important parts they need for their own cars that they paid a lot more for.  NOW WITH THAT SAID, I am not looking for this DEBATE to rage on here.  I was simply explaining that I might be odd, because I dont share that opinion, I enjoy this, because quite frankly this guy has skills.
I'm not surprised there's a grudge against replica builders. And it's understandable in many aspects. Though I'd best most would change their mind if they had the ability to build a car from the ground up.
I'm not starting a debate. You ask a question, I answered it. lol
Your car looks very nice. Would it be possible to make some molds off of it? Jk  ;D
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 19, 2013, 09:21:17 AM
Is it odd that as an owner of a real one, I am enjoying this build?  Very cool.
It would be odd if your here but don't like lambo replicas...

You would be suprised, there is a good bit of anomosity against 'cloners' on the real cars sites, because people feel parts they need for their cars are being taken by people who are making 'forgeries' which makes it harder for them to source important parts they need for their own cars that they paid a lot more for.  NOW WITH THAT SAID, I am not looking for this DEBATE to rage on here.  I was simply explaining that I might be odd, because I dont share that opinion, I enjoy this, because quite frankly this guy has skills.

Thx for the compliment again Jon but we have to at least have a discussion about the pros & cons on the real vs the clone to really get to the bottom of things. I prefer an OEM dimension LP640 replica over the real thing b/c when my car is done I'll never have to worry about resale value, I'll never have to watch the mileage when driving, carfax doesn't matter so much on a replica, it's low maintenance, and if anything ever happens I'll know how to fix it myself. & when I pick up what I'm going to pick up from John later on I will forever have a ever replenishing source of body panels in case anything ever happens.

I know a few owners of the real thing here where I live and those poor guys barely even drive their cars. This reminds me, the real thing is a big time gas GUZZLER and I'm sure you can attest to that.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jamack on March 19, 2013, 09:42:18 AM
Don't forget the fun of building your own car putting your own flavor on it, I can say this will be the only build for me but I do get the excitement of doing one of these
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on March 19, 2013, 10:07:47 AM
lol.  You guys can have the debate, I will likely not participate, but I'll certainly share my perspective this one time.  Your clones do not have the fit and finish of the real thing, even as great as they are (your clones), they dont match the engineering and budget the factory had to do them right.  (With that said, the lambo looks like a kit car to me, compared to other cars I have owned: Vipers, GTRs, Porsches, SRT8s).  Reliability, the real ones just work, while others chose not to drive theirs, thats only because of their concern on loss of value, or cost of repairs, some of us dont care :), the cars just work, and you can go cross country with them if you want to.  Some of the clones I have seen, uh... well best they stay in their hometown for ease of return home.  Another issue, is as great as some of these clones are, the majority of the ones I have seen, have fallen short of looking very well made, this exception of course includes Jayso's car, as it looks like he is going to nail the dimensions.  Performance, are you guys really able to get your cars to go 200 mph?  Do they safely go 120mph with the top off?  Can they really do 1/4 mile in the 11s?  The answer maybe yes, in some cases, but the majority is no.  Finally, and honestly, I am known to be pretty brash, and direct, but one thing I am not, is a liar, so if I had a clone and someone asked 'is it real' I would say 'no' and that means something to me, maybe I am to caught up in the material world, and if you want to throw me under the buss for that, so be it.  But its nice to say 'yes, its real.'  And if some guy wants to try me at a light, to see if it will go... I'm the type that will make it go, no excusees, he wins great, I win, great.  But I gave him what a lambo does.  I might ask 'hey, can I go home and get one of my fast cars?' becasue honestly the lambo is THE most attactive Exotic I have ever owned, but its also the least fast :). 

I gave my honest feedback and input.  Deprecation means nothing to me, I didnt buy this car for the next guy, I bought it for me.  My very first viper I bought new in 2002, I drove for 60,000 miles in 3 years, sold it, and have bought many more since then.  Cars should be enjoyed and drive, I care not about resale, these were bought for me, not the next guy.  My GTR I bought in 2010 I put 18,000 miles on in 1 year, sold it, and now have a 2013 that I hope to get 18k miles in 1 year :).  Enjoy life for you, not the next guy.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on March 19, 2013, 10:12:04 AM
Original or Replica?

One thing that is certain is that we are all car guys and I welcome everyone to this site that has an appreciation for the automobile.   ::thumbup

It's really good to see that the owner of an original Lamborghini has joined us and has even provided some encouragement and very nice compliments to a replica builder.    ::beers

The funny thing is that many of the cars that left Sant' Agata now have after market and or replacement parts which to the "true purist" makes these cars altered.  I've heard multiple people say that Watson's LP640 panels are actually better than OEM and I think it might surprise some people to know how many "original cars" have these panels hanging on them either as an upgrade to LP640 appearance or from a repair.   ::toothy

Welcome

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on March 19, 2013, 10:16:14 AM
I didnt buy this car for the next guy, I bought it for me.  My very first viper I bought new in 2002, I drove for 60,000 miles in 3 years, sold it, and have bought many more since then.  Cars should be enjoyed and drive, I care not about resale, these were bought for me, not the next guy.  My GTR I bought in 2010 I put 18,000 miles on in 1 year, sold it, and now have a 2013 that I hope to get 18k miles in 1 year :).  Enjoy life for you, not the next guy.

I love this!

The same should be true for those building a car.. it should be for you and not the next guy and I believe you should build it to drive it.

Thanks,

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on March 19, 2013, 10:36:01 AM
Thanks 'No Bull'  I actually agree with you, I am not the elitest type that things the original design cant be improved.  Hell I like the 670 SV look better then my 'regular murci' look, I would entertain the fiberglass/carbon fiber option of a replica 670 front end on my murci, but with it costing 15k, I dont like it THAT much :).  But yes, I have NO problem with better made after market parts that improve the car. I modded my car already, ripped out that horrible single din stereo, installed a double din, installed a review camera, installed 2 amps, a sub, I made the car RWD, because I love RWD for summer fun, and I have AWD for winter anyways.  I changed the airfilters, I changed the tune (had the car tuned at AMS), I removed the primary cats and muffler to REALLY make this thing SING... and omg.. I left off the most brilliant part of the car... the SOUND.  The sound of a v12 is second only to the beauty of the lambo looks.  so I agree, you can have the looks, with is 70% of the attraction to the car, but at least 25% of it, is the amazing sound a screaming v12 makes.  (sorry I kept the debate going, and I wasnt trying to, but have to admit I left that off in my intial response).  But again, I have NO issues with the better aftermarket parts that beat the factory version.. they definitely exist, and I am in favor of them.

Also agree, in the end, car guys are car guys, you shouldnt be suprised that I didnt pop out of my mom with Cash in my hand to own a lambo.  I was that kid with the posters of the countach 5000s on my walls along with that Vector car, they were my passion as a kid, I was 7 years old and I could spell Lamborghini, which was no small task at that age :)  I have only ever loved cars, at times amongst all other things....  I think of cars as people, and while thats wrong, thats how I am.  My wife says sometimes she thinks I love my cars more then her (she does know my Sons are above the cars), but I tell her, no no, she is definitely more important to me then my cars, but what I dont tell her is 'but its really close' :)

I didnt get the car as a status symbol, I bought it because I was a kid before and I had a dream... and I am all about making my dreams come true.  And I wish that to each and everyone of you.  Life is meant to be fun, do your part to make it that way for you.  I doubled the mileage on the lambo I bought within 3 months of ownership, vs what the previous owner couldnt do in his 6 years of having it before me.  Enjoy life, whatever that means to you!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on March 19, 2013, 10:46:07 AM
I didnt get the car as a status symbol, I bought it because I was a kid before and I had a dream... and I am all about making my dreams come true. 

Same reasons for me building a Lambo and it's dual purpose for me personally since I've wanted to build (not buy) a Lambo replica since around age 15.  Everyone is here for a reason (some shared and some not) and I welcome anyone with a passion for these cars whether they are buying them, improving them or building them from the ground up.   ::salute 

Jay, we'll turn your build diary back over to you.    ::LAMBO2

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on March 19, 2013, 11:24:39 AM
Finally, and honestly, I am known to be pretty brash, and direct, but one thing I am not, is a liar, so if I had a clone and someone asked 'is it real' I would say 'no' and that means something to me, maybe I am to caught up in the material world, and if you want to throw me under the buss for that, so be it.  But its nice to say 'yes, its real.'


I think Jayso's post was a mistake because it's not about comparing them but as far as real and fake, I won't claim my replica is real because it's not. I'd rather show off something I built by hand as what it is, I'd rather be proud of what I did than to pretend I own a real one. If I had a real one then I'd be proud to own a real one.


I have to very much agree with this.  Honestly I was taken back a bit when he brought up the discussion, but then I realized, 'Jon you cant go over to a Ford Site with a Chevy and expect they won't defend their Ford'  The problem is, I didnt come here to tell you about my chevy, I came to appeciate your Ford :).  If that makes sense.  Also if there is any doubt about my ability to appeciate the labor of love you guys do for your cars, perhaps you would like to know, I built this, with my 2 hands, and it could easily kill any Viper, Lambo, Ferrari in its day: http://porsche944s0.tripod.com/pictures.htm (http://porsche944s0.tripod.com/pictures.htm) (A friend build the site for me, when I was selling the car on ebay over 11 years ago)  And the car was mint before I wrecked it racing a BMW in the rain :)  I told ya, I GO when its GO time :)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 19, 2013, 05:19:57 PM
Tallon nothing I ever say is a mistake. I guess what you said was a mistake though, probably why it got deleted. Can you, Tusabes, and SchulzeA do me favor and ignore me anytime you see me post anything new and I'll do the same. I'm entitled to my opinions and statements, if you have a disagreement with anything I say, PM me.

Jon your car looks good and you're fortunate enough to be able to afford one and that's all that matters. When you're ready to do the LP640 upgrades I'll be here to help you see that come to fruition.

Driver side mirror is locked in. The pole is just to keep the mirrors stabilized while the adhesive sets. The last pic just confirms I made the mirrors removable. Remember how rough these mirrors look now b/c when I'm done with them, they will look brand new.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2e4m5xi.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/fz2ihx.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2vhym4y.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on March 19, 2013, 06:17:50 PM
Tallon nothing I ever say is a mistake. I guess what you said was a mistake though, probably why it got deleted. Can you, Tusabes, and SchulzeA do me favor and ignore me anytime you see me post anything new and I'll do the same. I'm entitled to my opinions and statements, if you have a disagreement with anything I say, PM me.

Jon your car looks good and you're fortunate enough to be able to afford one and that's all that matters. When you're ready to do the LP640 upgrades I'll be here to help you see that come to fruition.

Sorry for any part of the Drama I caused with my response, I think he actually just deleted it himself and I had already quoted it, and was creating my reply.  I am pretty sure the moderator didnt delete it, he did it himself to not detract from your thread.  I pm'ed him afterwards because I told him that I noticed his had been deleted and so mine would likely too, as i assumed the moderator did it, and he explained that he did.  So maybe an olive branch.. he pulled his own post, I can delete mine to make his go away :)

Now for the fun stuff, I may just take you up on your offer :)  Do you know if any of the vendors that you guys work with have a lp670 version?  I figure its got to be a lot cheaper then what the one place that I know has them is trying to charge.  Any of you guys around Chicago?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 19, 2013, 06:35:45 PM
Besides SP tuning I don't know of anyone with full (front bumer, rockers, scoops, trunk lid, rear bumper & wing) OEM dimension LP670 upgrades. Now there's FGP in Poland but from what I've heard and seen there parts aren't accurate especially the rear bumper/strut tower/wing.

SP tuning wants about $40k for their upgrades.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on March 19, 2013, 06:58:46 PM
that would be the guys I am talking about :)

But i only want the front facia, the side and rear arent all that important to me, the ONLY other thing I would want is a rear spoiler, but there is a very specific one I want.  I'll see if I can find it, and you tell me if you know a good place to source it.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 19, 2013, 07:22:19 PM
I can only assist you with LP640 parts. They sell a bunch of look-alike front SV bumpers on ebay but yeah shoot me that place and I'll let you know if I know anything about them.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on March 19, 2013, 07:32:58 PM
veilside/premier makes this rear spoiler wing, this is the ONLY one I like for the rear of the murci:  (Anyone know where I can still get it?  They stopped making it)

(http://www.lamborghini-talk.com/vbforum/attachments/f46/16441d1288057330-exhaust-wing-dsc01609.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on March 19, 2013, 07:34:49 PM
I can only assist you with LP640 parts. They sell a bunch of look-alike front SV bumpers on ebay but yeah shoot me that place and I'll let you know if I know anything about them.

What I was saying is that you were right, SP Tuning is the only people I knew about that had a Lp670 front facia.  I dont need or want all the other parts, I just want the front facia and the rear spoiler I posted above.  If I had those, I would consider my car 'complete'  I maybe black out the rear tail lights, but thats it.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on March 19, 2013, 07:59:58 PM
Whats thoughts on this for a front facia? 
http://www.carsuk.net/wp-content/gallery/lamborghini-murcielago-lp670-4-super-veloce-new/lp670-sv-new-11.jpg (http://www.carsuk.net/wp-content/gallery/lamborghini-murcielago-lp670-4-super-veloce-new/lp670-sv-new-11.jpg)

And here is a link to the spoiler I like, but I dont think its 'get-able' anymore:

http://www.versustradingco.com/#/item/premier_4509_lamborghini_murcielago_ver.i_wing (http://www.versustradingco.com/#/item/premier_4509_lamborghini_murcielago_ver.i_wing)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Tallon on March 19, 2013, 09:30:06 PM
first link - love it, my dream car (any color)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: SchulzeA on March 20, 2013, 11:00:32 AM
first link - love it, my dream car (any color)
Any color?  ::toothy
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: SchulzeA on March 20, 2013, 11:01:47 AM
oh or this one?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Tallon on March 20, 2013, 11:25:30 AM
lol I'd drive it
as long as it's an SV
matte Violet is awesome, and turquoise. Colors that I think only the sv can pull off.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: italianknightrider on March 20, 2013, 01:00:21 PM
Thanks 'No Bull'  I actually agree with you, I am not the elitest type that things the original design cant be improved.  Hell I like the 670 SV look better then my 'regular murci' look, I would entertain the fiberglass/carbon fiber option of a replica 670 front end on my murci, but with it costing 15k, I dont like it THAT much :).  But yes, I have NO problem with better made after market parts that improve the car.

Life is meant to be fun, do your part to make it that way for you. Enjoy life, whatever that means to you!


i agree with both of you ,take what you have and make the best of it.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 20, 2013, 04:30:15 PM
Ok, I narrowed down the windshields between a 1997 Nissan Altima & a 2001 Nissan Sentra. Both windshields match up in shape pretty well to the template.

'97 Nissan Altima
(http://i48.tinypic.com/hvued5.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/1yu690.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2my5fup.jpg)

'01 Nissan Sentra
(http://i47.tinypic.com/ogfh8n.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2mlpo4.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/29fa49h.jpg)

Autopro, the only problem I see on both windshields are the center length. Measuring from the center top of the windshield to the center bottom, it isn't as long as OEM. But with glass it's better to be short and make a filler panel or use a body molding to close the gap, than the windshield be too wide or too long.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: apsara on March 20, 2013, 04:48:52 PM
try a camero windshield seems long enough
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: autopro on March 20, 2013, 07:44:35 PM
Ok, I narrowed down the windshields between a 1997 Nissan Altima & a 2001 Nissan Sentra. Both windshields match up in shape pretty well to the template.

Autopro, the only problem I see on both windshields are the center length. Measuring from the center top of the windshield to the center bottom, it isn't as long as OEM. But with glass it's better to be short and make a filler panel or use a body molding to close the gap, than the windshield be too wide or too long.

Thanks for the info Jay!  We have plenty of those cars around here and those windshields are really cheap.  The filler panel is a good idea I will have to check that out once you put your windshield on.  I did get a quote for having one made for $750.00 here in Tijuana but if I can find a good alternative I will go with that.

Did you decide on which one you are going to use?  I really want to see your car with a windshield on it, it just changes the whole look of the car in my opinion. 
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 20, 2013, 07:53:37 PM
Oh yes it does! Plus, the mirrors mounted, fender liners in, lowering suspensions, and front wheels popped out more. I can't wait to see it myself. I should have a pic with all these things on by early next week.

Right now I'm leaning towards the '97 Nissan Altima. The top of the windshield on the Altima doesn't match the roofline as nicely as the '01 Nissan Sentra does but that doesn't matter for me b/c I'm doing a roadster. Plus the Altima windshield appears to be a little longer.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: mogoes49 on March 27, 2013, 09:10:17 PM
were did this body come from any one know were he got the oem body ?? im looking to do a build having trouble finding the mercy2
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 29, 2013, 07:21:14 PM
Ok, I spent the better part of this week mounting the door shock and reinforcing the hinge mounts. Change in strategy, I'm going to build both doors completely then move on to fitting the windshield, top, decklid, then hood.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/ev6xrl.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/szgd1f.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2ij54z7.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2nre9up.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2z70qjc.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/280lfl4.jpg)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2hrnadx.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/3310n44.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2vi371s.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 31, 2013, 05:42:19 PM
Here's how I made my windows tracks. It's very simple to make.

Here's the glass (yellow tape on the glass was used for shipping reasons, may leave it on until the build is done)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/6y1x1h.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/5nnnu9.jpg)

Using this for the inserts (picked it up at Pepboys for $20)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2w6xmyp.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/wmlaxd.jpg)

Measure your door
(http://i45.tinypic.com/s61tvr.jpg)

1x1x16ga tubing
(http://i48.tinypic.com/r0tp9v.jpg)

Cut off one end leaving it 1x3/4
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2i9qiz9.jpg)

Cut in half down the middle on the back side
(http://i50.tinypic.com/20000z.jpg)

Apply the molding
(http://i45.tinypic.com/10wkwls.jpg)

Bend each track individually to the appropriate contour
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2my0u1y.jpg)

Fit it to the glass then tack weld it
(http://i49.tinypic.com/et8kz8.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on March 31, 2013, 08:10:54 PM
& here's what's on my playlist when I build. Probably will be on blast too when the car's done. So appropriate for a roadster!
2 Chainz
http://youtu.be/e2QKlmMT8II (http://youtu.be/e2QKlmMT8II)

Just wished they used a Murci instead of a Ferrari in the beginning.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: pslim337 on April 01, 2013, 06:14:29 PM
what up j  man were did u get the glass from
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on April 01, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
I got it off ebay.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: pslim337 on April 01, 2013, 07:14:17 PM
nice
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: lance345 on April 02, 2013, 02:29:27 AM
Very nice Jayso, and thank you for the info on windshields.

Keep up all the pics. It's very motivating to others, and interesting to watch.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: autopro on April 02, 2013, 08:55:11 AM
Thanks for the pics that will come in real handy for me during my build, keep it up. 

How come you had to cut your inner door shell the way you did?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on April 02, 2013, 09:53:12 AM
Very nice Jayso, and thank you for the info on windshields.

Keep up all the pics. It's very motivating to others, and interesting to watch.
Thx Lance.

Thanks for the pics that will come in real handy for me during my build, keep it up. 

How come you had to cut your inner door shell the way you did?
John asked me the same thing. They weren't fitting properly. Which is weird b/c the outer door skins fit properly as you can see.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on April 03, 2013, 07:42:22 PM
Ok, the window regulator, tracks, and glass are mounted. I will finalize the tracks right before I bond on the outer door skin.

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2wh44dd.jpg)

I will eventually have to cut off a portion of the door pillars at the top. It's still not mandatory right now but the time is fast approaching.
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2z5rf3d.jpg)

The glass seals up perfectly.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/wilmp3.jpg)

I had to fabricate these tabs to pinch the glass b/c there are no holes in the glass. It's actually more sophisticated to make than how it looks.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/6yjwr6.jpg)

Here's some work I have lined up for me once the doors are done. Can't wait to get the "big bad wolf" out the way so I can get started on this.
(http://i49.tinypic.com/347xzl1.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on April 03, 2013, 10:15:01 PM
Where did you find your roadster engine cover?  I have one that Cliff made and I still need to do a write up on it and post some pictures of it sitting on the car.  As I suspected, a OEM roadster engine cover will fit on a G28L roadster as will the muffler cover etc.  What are you doing for roadster batwings?  I'm going to modify the OEM splashed batwings I have for a coupe to fit the G28L and try to remove the hump in the quarter panels and recess the wings into the tops of the quarters for a more original appearance.

The car is coming along nicely.

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on April 03, 2013, 11:54:58 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lamborghini-Murcielago-Engine-Deck-lid-/221207477033?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3380fe3b29&vxp=mtr#ht_3921wt_1909 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lamborghini-Murcielago-Engine-Deck-lid-/221207477033?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3380fe3b29&vxp=mtr#ht_3921wt_1909)

I'll know how my batwings match up to the decklid soon enough to tell you more about it. Thx
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on April 06, 2013, 01:40:13 AM
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lamborghini-Murcielago-Engine-Deck-lid-/221207477033?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3380fe3b29&vxp=mtr#ht_3921wt_1909[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lamborghini-Murcielago-Engine-Deck-lid-/221207477033?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3380fe3b29&vxp=mtr#ht_3921wt_1909[/url])
I'll know how my batwings match up to the decklid soon enough to tell you more about it. Thx


Ok, so it looks like you bought one from Tommy.  They are pretty nice looking parts and they were built off of an OEM panel.  The engine covers that ship with more G28L roadsters are really bad and even though they might have started from an OEM part, they are basically just an outer skin now and they are warped really bad.  CarKit Inc. likes to cut the grille openings out for some reason and when they do they cut to much and fitting a grille into the opening would require many hours in the shop.  The part that Cliff made has both an inner and outer panel and the inner panels holds each of the grilles like a glove and all the screw locations are there.

It'll be interesting to see how you use the coupe quarters and bat wings for a roadster since these parts are all very unique in shape to a roadster.  I've been looking for someone with the top sections of the roadster quarters and the bat wings in fiberglass since grafting them to my car would be much easier than all the work ahead of me to make the OEM splashed coupe bat wings work.  The way the wings fit into the quarters on a G28 was never correct anyhow so I'll take this as an opportunity to fix that and remove the hump in the quarters all at the same time.  Since I'm no longer using the Fiero rear frame, the hump can be removed on my car now.

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on April 06, 2013, 02:05:38 AM
Yea, it should be interesting to see how everything falls into place for me. Any clue when you'll resume building?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on April 06, 2013, 02:19:42 AM
Yea, it should be interesting to see how everything falls into place for me. Any clue when you'll resume building?

The winter months basically stop all the work around here due to the shop I'm currently in being unheated.  I'm closing on another house at the end of this month that sits on an acre and has a 35' x 40' shop that I'll be moving my stuff into.  This shop is finished with an office area and concrete floors so I'll be setting it up with AC / Heat, 220v outlets and a nice lift.  This might slow me down a little this summer however I'll finally have a place that's clean and heated so I can work on my car all year round.  For now, I continue to collect all the bit's and pieces and I've been trying to knock some of the sub components out like electrical, gauges, side folding mirrors and headlights.  There is really no rush on my side other than the occasional dream to actually be driving it.

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: italianknightrider on April 06, 2013, 07:34:16 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/italianknightrider/italianknightriders%20album%202/LPOEMROADSTERDECKLIDMEASURMENTS.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on April 06, 2013, 11:25:47 AM
IKR what are you trying to point out?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: italianknightrider on April 06, 2013, 11:43:52 AM
we would like to know how the G28 ROADSTER com pair to the OEM and what changes were made to the G28 to make it different ,nothing negative sir ,just trying to gain some  insight on what Steve done on the very first G28 Roadster engine cover , we all know there s some fitment issues with it. I did not mean for this to come at you in a negative way ,no disrespect meant ,yours also have a finished underside . 
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on April 06, 2013, 12:01:19 PM
we would like to know how the G28 ROADSTER com pair to the OEM and what changes were made to the G28 to make it different ,nothing negative sir ,just trying to gain some  insight on what Steve done on the very first G28 Roadster engine cover , we all know there s some fitment issues with it. I did not mean for this to come at you in a negative way ,no disrespect meant ,yours also have a finished underside.


IKR, since I have both a OEM splashed panel and a panel that came with the G28L, I can tell you that the differences are either not noticeable or Steve used an OEM panel and splashed the upper panel (putting my money on this).  From what I can tell, Steve used a OEM front and rear bumper, OEM muffler cover and a OEM engine cover and he hand made everything else so it fit around a Fiero donor.  The rockers, fenders, doors, quarters, hood, windshield pillars, roadster headrests and bat wings are all unique to the G28.  I can set my inner engine cover panel on the car and it fits the head rests really well and it'll be the bat wings and quarter panels that I'll need to put the hours into.

Pictures posted in my build diary - http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=235.0 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=235.0)

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jonv8944s on April 07, 2013, 09:12:46 PM
MORE PHOTOS!! MORE UPDATE!

nobull, I havent forgotten about ya, I'll get that template if you still need me to, but the lambo was on the lift for the last few weeks (storage), and the weather was finally decent enough forcing me to get it down and drive it.  Its on the ground now, so I can do some tracing if you need me to.  I dont have a piece of paper big enough, so any suggestion would help, also, I know you named some other type product I should use, but I think thats something more 'normal' for you guys to know about, not something I would have any knowledge of.  (I think it was some type of material used for fiberglass parts?)

Thanks!

Jon
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on April 07, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
MORE PHOTOS!! MORE UPDATE!

nobull, I havent forgotten about ya, I'll get that template if you still need me to, but the lambo was on the lift for the last few weeks (storage), and the weather was finally decent enough forcing me to get it down and drive it.  Its on the ground now, so I can do some tracing if you need me to.  I dont have a piece of paper big enough, so any suggestion would help, also, I know you named some other type product I should use, but I think thats something more 'normal' for you guys to know about, not something I would have any knowledge of.  (I think it was some type of material used for fiberglass parts?)

Thanks!

Jon

Hi Jon,

Thanks for the update on the template.   ::thumbup

I would tape a couple of sheets of paper together (typing paper is fine) so it's large enough to cover the top of the bat wing and then use a crayon to "rub" around the top of the wing so a dark line appears on the paper wherever the edge of the wing is.  Fold this up and send it to me and I'll transfer it to some cardboard and cut it out and this will provide a guideline for how big the top of the wing is and how the shape is different than a coupes wing (which I have and need to convert).  The part number for the connector (pigtail) that goes to the 3rd brake light on the roadster would also be appreciated.  I've searched for months on a cross reference part and I can't find anything.   ::scratch

Thanks again for helping us out and it's nice to see we have supportive  ::LAMBO2 owners on the site.

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: satinta on April 08, 2013, 11:59:14 AM
I like to use brown masking paper. The cheap kind you can get at Home Depot or Walmart.

You just unroll as much as you need and break out the crayons.  Also works well for copying decals, fender alignment and grille pattern just to name a few.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on April 12, 2013, 10:14:09 PM
& here's my driver side window mounted. Next is mounting the door handle then attaching it to the latch. Lastly, bonding the door skin on.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/34t3hc7.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: autopro on April 12, 2013, 10:31:29 PM
That's one of the cleanest installs I've seen bud, what elevator are you using?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on April 12, 2013, 10:38:57 PM
Yea, this side really shaped up well. I took whatever lessons learned from the passenger side and applied it to this side. I'm using window regulators from a '97 Nissan Maxima off the rear doors. The length of the regulator track matches up perfectly.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on April 12, 2013, 10:43:00 PM
It's looking good Jay.   ::headbang

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: am33r on April 13, 2013, 07:07:31 AM
Nice work man!
How long exactly is the entire "side mirror unit" you have on?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: apsara on April 13, 2013, 09:45:47 AM
Are you going to be using guide tracks for the glass? in its currently state does it wobble when it goes up and down?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on April 13, 2013, 06:40:17 PM
It's looking good Jay.   ::headbang

Chris
Thx.

Nice work man!
How long exactly is the entire "side mirror unit" you have on?
If you ever come across a real one, measure it. I just put mine where I thought it should be.

Are you going to be using guide tracks for the glass? in its currently state does it wobble when it goes up and down?
Of course I am, all regulators I've used in the past wobble a little. I think they wobble by design so it sorts itself out as the glass goes up & down through the guide tracks.
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Post by: LamboJayso on April 14, 2013, 06:24:55 PM
Here are the handles I make. They're very easy to mount. I still have to enlargen the finger dimple and put a coat of bondo on both sides of the grab handle part itself.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2rot1ck.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/33yoz9z.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/28177dc.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2rcaovr.jpg)
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Post by: LamboJayso on April 17, 2013, 11:00:19 AM
Here's some fiberglass repair, getting ready to bond on the door skins soon. I need to create a backing first, for proper bodywork on the other side.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/13zpoc4.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2a6v0oj.jpg)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/xlxlee.jpg)
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Post by: KidKit on April 21, 2013, 10:29:38 PM
That's a work of art!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: BigPines on May 04, 2013, 07:05:56 PM
Do you have an update Jayso? It has been a couple weeks. very interested if you have made progress.

Mike
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on May 04, 2013, 07:20:16 PM
I'm making progress offline. Selfish of me to watch it come together in privacy ain't it... >:(
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Post by: acmw on October 08, 2013, 06:53:51 PM
any updates????????
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: pkovgolf on October 09, 2013, 11:32:24 PM
How much are these handles?
Thanks!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: 1sicklambo on October 09, 2013, 11:49:32 PM
Pleaseeeeeeeeee update, we miss you kid ::salute  ::K
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on October 27, 2013, 09:21:03 PM
I finally finished the doors. Let me say, the doors are definitely a build within a build. I originally was just going to keep things simple with the doors, however, on a roadster the glass has to be lowered a few inches in order to open the door w/o any clearance issues. So because of this, I had to add power locks along with the power windows.

I can now carry on with building the rest of the car. The best part about getting the doors out of the way is everything else is all down hill from here for me. Enjoy the pics & video.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/20i9oae.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/vsp2ix.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/160rg4x.jpg)

http://youtu.be/jNekb2EsoI0 (http://youtu.be/jNekb2EsoI0)
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Post by: Tusabes on October 27, 2013, 09:32:06 PM
Fantastic !!!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on October 27, 2013, 10:38:59 PM
Coming along nicely Jay.

From what I can tell, the headrest area from a G28 roadster is really close to OEM (just molded in one piece) and this might be a part you consider ordering from someone that's making them.  It's one of the few body parts I'm carrying over for my conversion.

Chris
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Post by: Tusabes on October 27, 2013, 10:45:51 PM
Don't know what kind of seats you'll be using but these look good
eBay 131028569526
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on October 28, 2013, 08:17:12 AM
Coming along nicely Jay.

From what I can tell, the headrest area from a G28 roadster is really close to OEM (just molded in one piece) and this might be a part you consider ordering from someone that's making them.  It's one of the few body parts I'm carrying over for my conversion.

Chris

Yea, I was going to splash a set from a local builder here who's building a G28 or I might just go with the seats tusabes mentioned, idk yet.
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Post by: Havemurci on October 28, 2013, 01:52:02 PM
Love the build, nice exit at the end of the vid,too bad there was no mic to drop. ::headbang
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LP640 on October 28, 2013, 07:25:32 PM
yes awesome video!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: MDMurcy2 on October 28, 2013, 10:04:45 PM
Looking really good.  Great job on the windows.   Video was really good too.   Looking forward to your progress.   

Mitch
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Post by: LamboJayso on October 29, 2013, 10:07:46 AM
Love the build, nice exit at the end of the vid,too bad there was no mic to drop. ::headbang

Thx, if I had my grinder in my hand I would have dropped that instead.

yes awesome video!


Thx
Looking really good.  Great job on the windows.   Video was really good too.   Looking forward to your progress.   

Mitch

Thx, you finished painting yours yet?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jdinner on October 29, 2013, 04:42:19 PM
Is that real Roadster glass? Sure looks like it.
Nice 80lb. poppers there!!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on October 29, 2013, 05:27:12 PM
Is that real Roadster glass? Sure looks like it.
Nice 80lb. poppers there!!

You bet it is a real Murcie glass. I want to give a big thanks to you for providing technical assistance on wiring the doors!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: satinta on October 29, 2013, 06:34:19 PM
Great work Jay as always.  Love the pics and videos but I really don't think that fingernail polish is your color,

I would go with dark blue or maybe ....

kidding
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: MDMurcy2 on October 29, 2013, 07:11:45 PM
Looking really good.  Great job on the windows.   Video was really good too.   Looking forward to your progress.   

Mitch

Thx, you finished painting yours yet?
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No.. I sure havent painted yet.  Now that I have the car based in the black filler primer, I will take some time to fit the interior and get it all done.   I want to make sure that everything fits and not modifications are needed that will interfere with any exterior work.   When I am satisfied with that interior fit.....I will block down the filler and put her in paint.  Shouldn't be too long.   I'm really pumped up.   Finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. 
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on October 29, 2013, 07:17:50 PM
Great work Jay as always.  Love the pics and videos but I really don't think that fingernail polish is your color,

I would go with dark blue or maybe ....

kidding

You're prob right, my fingers are normally dark blue from all the bruises I receive from building anyhow.

No.. I sure havent painted yet.  Now that I have the car based in the black filler primer, I will take some time to fit the interior and get it all done.   I want to make sure that everything fits and not modifications are needed that will interfere with any exterior work.   When I am satisfied with that interior fit.....I will block down the filler and put her in paint.  Shouldn't be too long.   I'm really pumped up.   Finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. 

I just saw a tiny crack of daylight at the end of that tunnel for my build.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on November 14, 2013, 05:43:22 PM
Just got the passenger door glass fitted. Besides that, not much going on here.

http://youtu.be/iSwLysw_Xzk (http://youtu.be/iSwLysw_Xzk)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2dw6o9y.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2n24lxh.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/6f09eb.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/i1z39i.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/38zn7.jpg)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/219owfb.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/13z6a2q.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/15mmfd4.jpg)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: autopro on November 14, 2013, 05:50:46 PM
I’m so glad you are posting again Jay, I really love the way your car is coming out.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: MercyLogic on November 14, 2013, 08:26:23 PM
Awesome build Jayso. I noticed some hang in the windows when the glass is all the way down, trying to roll it up. I can bet money that if you widen the mounting clamps on the track(where the window clamps to), it won't bind up so bad. Doing so would support the window from wobbling in the tracks. Keep up the great work.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: No Bull on November 14, 2013, 09:21:21 PM
Jay, what was the trick with getting the Watson body to fit onto the Fiero chassis?  I noticed that the inner doors might have been shortened but the outter skins are not unless you trimmed on the ends of the panel.  I'm assuming that you needed to tear out the Fiero front firewall and your master cylinder is tucked up under the front fender?  However you did it, it's turning out pretty nice and everything is coming together well.  I'm curious to see what you do with your batwings since a roadster has a different version that actually lay's a little differently and is a little longer diagonally.  Are you going with a roadster windshield or a coupe?

Thanks,

Chris
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on November 14, 2013, 09:29:23 PM
I’m so glad you are posting again Jay, I really love the way your car is coming out.

Thx, I know you received your body a while ago, making any headway? Post some pics, anything is better than nothing.

Awesome build Jayso. I noticed some hang in the windows when the glass is all the way down, trying to roll it up. I can bet money that if you widen the mounting clamps on the track(where the window clamps to), it won't bind up so bad. Doing so would support the window from wobbling in the tracks. Keep up the great work.

Thx for the input, I'll have that little kink sorted out before I permanently bond on the skins.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on November 14, 2013, 09:45:37 PM
Jay, what was the trick with getting the Watson body to fit onto the Fiero chassis?  I noticed that the inner doors might have been shortened but the outter skins are not unless you trimmed on the ends of the panel.  I'm assuming that you needed to tear out the Fiero front firewall and your master cylinder is tucked up under the front fender?  However you did it, it's turning out pretty nice and everything is coming together well.  I'm curious to see what you do with your batwings since a roadster has a different version that actually lay's a little differently and is a little longer diagonally.  Are you going with a roadster windshield or a coupe?

Thanks,

Chris

Well what's your WB? 104" or 105"?

The inner doors weren't shortened. If you remember, I did cut them vertically to fit it where I needed it. All while not cutting the pillars.

No and the master cylinder is pretty close to the fender but it's not tucked.

Well I have a coupe quarter panel with coupe batwings. They fit just fine, I may have to modify them to fit perfectly though.

I'm going with a coupe windshield. Thx for the compliments.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Havemurci on November 15, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
Jayso, are you selling your car or is somebody running a scam on eBay? ::scratch
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replica-Kit-Makes-GT-2009-lamborghini-murcielago-replica-roadster-/251380496428?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3a8771f82c&item=251380496428&pt=US_Cars_Trucks (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replica-Kit-Makes-GT-2009-lamborghini-murcielago-replica-roadster-/251380496428?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3a8771f82c&item=251380496428&pt=US_Cars_Trucks)
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on November 16, 2013, 06:59:00 AM
Lol no scam running, eBay has that promotional thing going on where you can list a vehicle for free. Out of curiosity, I listed mine. If I get what I want I'll let it go, if I don't I'll keep it.

Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: autopro on November 16, 2013, 01:32:01 PM
I’m so glad you are posting again Jay, I really love the way your car is coming out.

Thx, I know you received your body a while ago, making any headway? Post some pics, anything is better than nothing.


I'm still waiting for some parts, I don't have everything yet but I am making some progress on my chassis.  I posted some pictures on my chassis thread.  ::beers
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: BigPines on February 25, 2014, 09:29:27 AM
I am trying to get hold of LamboJayso. When I try to send him a PM on this forum, I get "User 'LamboJayso' can not receive personal messages." Anyone know what is going on?

I have also tried to contact him via PM on MM but no response so far. If anyone has contact information for him, I would appreciate it.

Mike
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 02, 2017, 10:30:51 PM
Wooooooooosh I haven't posted here in awhile. Took the car out td drizzle and all. Took some pics and videos. Was so excited taking them, I didn't notice the passenger door wasn't raised all the way

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sG4K7dbcHvE
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Tusabes on January 02, 2017, 10:35:42 PM
Good to see you back! Where the pics ?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: AdrianBurton on January 03, 2017, 10:14:39 AM
congrats on finishing, you bringing it to Carlisle this year????
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 03, 2017, 12:25:13 PM
Thanks, if the weather and my schedule permits.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 03, 2017, 12:37:59 PM
Here I(left) am with Dustin(usmcbutler). This was taken back in May. And more pictures of driving it out of the garage for the first time.

Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Peggyontherunireland on January 03, 2017, 01:24:13 PM
Quality build as always mate
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Havemurci on January 03, 2017, 01:24:40 PM
Two of the best builders around keeping company...it ain't fair I tell ya :notworthy. Congrats, on a great effort! ::thumbup
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: autopro on January 04, 2017, 08:39:06 AM
Congratulations Jay!  The car looks beautiful, I bet you are very proud of the hard work that you have done to get this far.  I really like that flat black it really makes it look mean.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: AdrianBurton on January 04, 2017, 10:07:03 AM
Thanks, if the weather and my schedule permits.

Well the weather is probably going to be JACKED but it would be good to see it, I am going to be there rain or shine.....
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: 01Lambiero on January 04, 2017, 10:24:22 AM
Jay, come on Man, everybody knows that there are two things that NEVER keep guys from coming to Carlisle.  One is the weather and the other is our work schedule ::bounce ::thumbup  Welcome to the 3% Club.
01 Jim
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: RT on January 04, 2017, 11:44:09 AM
YES!  Come to Carlisle this year.
It should be awesome!  Lots of lambos.

RT
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 05, 2017, 11:01:07 AM
Thanks guys, Autopro I'm very proud. It's satin* black.

AB: Will your car be ready?

01Lambiero: The 3% club feels great! Anyone can save their money and go buy a car not anyone can build car to the degree they're not embarrassed of their work.

RT: Love the lambos!
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: AdrianBurton on January 05, 2017, 04:18:24 PM
I am hoping to have it at least running, BUUUUUUTTTT!!!!! work is kicking my backside so I cant say what condition it will be in, however I will have it with me for the show
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Post by: LamboJayso on January 06, 2017, 06:55:32 AM
Currently in the process of buttoning things up mechanically. The right radiator had a leak. So I replaced it. This pic with the rear bumper off, shows how I did things.


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Post by: rodrieguz on January 15, 2017, 06:53:28 PM
outstanding  job there jay ::headbang
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 24, 2017, 07:12:02 AM
Thanks Mr. Rodrieguz! Are u building an Aventador now? I asked b/c I saw u asking about an Aventador seat in another thread. Cool yellow vaydor u have there.

Drove to the alignment shop over the weekend. Still ironing out the kinks. Will need to replace the outer tie rods in the rear for starters.

Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: autopro on January 25, 2017, 03:47:12 PM
Car looks beautiful Jay, I can see it's already getting lots of attention jajaja
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: RT on January 25, 2017, 05:16:36 PM
This is what we like to see!
I hope you can make it to Carlisle this year.

RT
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: jrule78 on January 25, 2017, 06:24:10 PM
   Ouch, alignment heads clamping on those brand new rims! I also like how the mechanics are leaning on the car with greasy gloves.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 26, 2017, 08:12:02 AM
@autopro: Thanks, no pressure on you.  One day you, usmcbutler, purple670sv, lp670mike, and anyone else building a lambo on here has to meet up. B/c it really takes a lot out of you to complete these cars. And I'd love to chop it up with anyone who makes it to the end.

@RT: I hope so too!

@jrule78: The mechanic leaning on it with the black gloves helped solve the alignment issue. So he can lean on it all he wants.  ::thumbup

Yesterday was an interesting day to say the least. I finally resolved the bad alignment issue. It turned out I had a whole bunch of loose bolts in the rear of the car. The two big bolts holding the strut at the base were loose and the bolts holding the control arm were loose. Once those were snugged up, the new tie rod installed, the toe straight, I took it for a spin and the car drove beautifully. No more feeling like I'm driving on ice.

I got pulled over. The officer pulled me over b/c "he wanted to check out my car." Unbelievable. Sorry for the dirty batwing valley. I haven't had a chance to truly detail the car.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: autopro on January 30, 2017, 09:49:07 AM
@autopro: Thanks, no pressure on you.  One day you, usmcbutler, purple670sv, lp670mike, and anyone else building a lambo on here has to meet up. B/c it really takes a lot out of you to complete these cars. And I'd love to chop it up with anyone who makes it to the end.

I got pulled over. The officer pulled me over b/c "he wanted to check out my car." Unbelievable. Sorry for the dirty batwing valley. I haven't had a chance to truly detail the car.

LOL no pressure, maybe just a bit.  We definitely have too meet up one day, I've been to see usmcbutler and a few other guys here on the forum and they have all been great people.  There's another group of us here in southern California that also meet up about once a year and it's always great getting together and talking about our hobby.

Man I've heard of cops doing that, stopping people just to check out their rides but I can imagine it's scary at first when you don't know why they are stopping you.  Your car just looks beautiful man, I can see why he stopped you  :notworthy
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 30, 2017, 12:39:45 PM
We have to wait on usmcbutler, lp670mike, and purpleSV to finish to make it happen logistically. You here that guys, bang it out! Balls to the wall! It's nothing! I'm thinking we meet somewhere in the middle of the country later on this year. Or will this year be too soon?

As far as the cops go, I just hope I never get a cop who knows nothing about a kit car. Puts my tags in the system, sees it's a Fiero, then pull me out at gun point or something. Thinking it's stolen. Some scary stuff when you really think about it. Anywhooo
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: ★Murci-Me★ on January 30, 2017, 10:51:08 PM
That has happened to me 3 times now, guns and all.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on January 31, 2017, 09:57:45 AM
Sad to hear that. Kinda ruins the experience of enjoying ur creation. Hopefully nothing like that is in my future.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: lp670mike on February 01, 2017, 10:15:30 AM
Congrats on finishing the car Jay! It really looks amazing. I suppose your car is registered as a Fiero?
I was planning on registering mine as an MR2. I never really considered the police issue?
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: Neils88 on February 01, 2017, 04:57:50 PM
Does your registration remain as the donor car?  Here in Ontario (Canada) the car gets registered under the donor car VIN, but the make and model are changed to the first four letters of the body kit manufacturer and the body kit name, respectively.  i.e. My 88 Fiero (Aventador) will show up as:  Make: INSP,  Model: VENT  (Inspire Composites, VentaR).  Therefore no issues with police.
Title: Re: LamboJayso's OEM Murcielago Build!
Post by: LamboJayso on February 11, 2017, 05:12:24 PM
Took it out in the snow today. Freezed my butt off with no top. Love the rush tho. Plus a short video of me driving!

(http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t541/jaynycez80/IMG_1924_zpsoyhnh1ku.jpg) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/jaynycez80/media/IMG_1924_zpsoyhnh1ku.jpg.html)

(http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t541/jaynycez80/IMG_1925_zpsai5qkfhd.jpg) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/jaynycez80/media/IMG_1925_zpsai5qkfhd.jpg.html)

(http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t541/jaynycez80/IMG_1926_zpsuozi0d5g.jpg) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/jaynycez80/media/IMG_1926_zpsuozi0d5g.jpg.html)

(http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t541/jaynycez80/IMG_1927_zpsr3wbwl2t.jpg) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/jaynycez80/media/IMG_1927_zpsr3wbwl2t.jpg.html)

http://youtu.be/DZ8Sc0EjLRE (http://youtu.be/DZ8Sc0EjLRE)