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Build Diaries => Murcielago => Topic started by: Digibeam on December 15, 2013, 07:57:08 PM
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Hello all, just claiming a little spot for my build diary area
Armitage is the name i had chosen quite some time before i ever started this build and as i progress, the name has stayed with it so, thats what it is.
i will add as i can, as soon as i can.
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pix or it didnt happen, jk, good luck with your build.
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I printed out this bracket tonight on my 3D printer, it took about 2 hours, but it came out very nice.
many thanks to String who provided the original files here.
there was a small issue converting, but that seems to always be the case when converting to a STL type file for printing.
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A very good part for a 3D printer since it's internal and isn't seen but can also be printed thick enough that it'll accept daily use. It would be nice to find something as a donor for the chrome ring that sits in each of the switch openings.
Chris
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i have silver plastic as well and tomorrow i will be printing the ring files that go along with this bracket part.
this is very exciting stuff, String has brought things up a significant notch with his files and i am looking forward to trying out several on the printer to see how they turn out.
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:santa
Man , that is just fantastic , I am more than happy to see these files put to use . The sole intention was to make the info available to all as an aid to completing an aspect of there car.
To clarify - these drawings are drawn to an accuracy 1/10th millimeter (0.1mm) , so if converting to imperial it would need to be to the 1000th of an inch.
Other than that , these files were supposed to keep people busy over the Christmas period - gonna have to roll out the big one now....... ::tongue
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OK string you have my interest. What do you have up your sleeve?
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Okay so i had some time to print the rings, and other than a mesh issue i had with the mirror surround, which i think i can fix.. these came out perfect and fit snug almost as if they were made to fit together... now if only we had files of the buttons with graphics...i could print those as well...
hint hint....
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The inside edge of the ring should be rolled. Wouldn't it be easier to mold one of the aluminum sents I sent you?
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Hey Alan, yes i actually made a full mould of your machined rings etc. but these are just directly printed versions of strings files.
the edges of the rings are missing the curve, but for the most part this is a fast and cost effective method to validate the components either for fabrication or duplication etc.
i can actually make a circuit board to mount the switches to based on this part then eventually make more robust part later on when i get to that area of the build.
something i would like to try also would be the engine release handle, i believe that could be printed and possibly used directly as a final part.
here are the two side by side for comparison
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0.1 mm = 0.0039" fyi
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Ah, yes that might help.
Updated ring files uploaded with a rolled edge.
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And... here they are, i printed these a bit faster so the quality is down, but i wanted to verify they would print okay, i will print a new set in a higher quality also.
you can see the taper that has been added by our friend String, and also the mirror switch surround was improved and is now functional.
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But... does it fit?
Yes, yes it does....
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the switch is bit low in the surround or is it different then Diablos?
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Oh ! , I just checked - and looks absolutely cock on to me. :santa
::beers
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I am thinking that sits much higher than the Murcielago switch, here is the switch mounted in one of Alans mounts and the printed unit right beside.
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okay so here is the Higher Quality prints on the right and the Low Quality prints on the left.
as can be seen there is a significant difference to what an extra hour of printing and a higher resolution can do...
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yeah, you'r right 6.0 switch sits bit higher. but again some are not
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Hope everyone had a safe and exciting Holidays, but time to get back to work...
last night before heading out i started this on the printer and not that it was done in high quality, you can see what it looks like in physical space rather than virtual.
the design was made by our good friend String, i made a few cosmetic changes to suit printing it in 3D other wise strange issues happen.
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Yay !! i got my Lamp rings in today!!...
excellent work Jeff !!
Thank you.
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so i was working on console switch panels today and thought i would show the printed ring assembly in the panel just to show how close they printed out.
keep in mind the panel is raw and will be used as a plug for a carbon fiber version, so the holes and areas around are over/undersized to accommodate the excess materials.
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I am looking for the OEM distance between the door post space and the front tip of the bat wing (A) as well from the leading lower edge of the front Sail part to the leading edge of the lower bat wing at the notch area.(B)
if some one has an OEM car or a Watson body they could lift these two measurments from i would be greatful.
Thank you.
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I wish you would ask few days ago
When was in Palm beach
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:( story of my life sometimes... oh well, i am certain someone out there has access, but thank you just the same.
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I am looking for the OEM distance between the door post space and the front tip of the bat wing (A) as well from the leading lower edge of the front Sail part to the leading edge of the lower bat wing at the notch area.(B)
if some one has an OEM car or a Watson body they could lift these two measurments from i would be greatful.
Thank you.
Let me see what I can get you tonight. I have a right side quarter panel at home but I don't have the small filler panel with me at the moment. I'll take some pictures with the measurements and post them tomorrow.
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that would be excellent thank you... I am going to be cutting the B pillar post off and moving it back towards the rear as well as relocating the sail panel, so the distance between the notch of the bat wing area to the front edge of the door jamb would probably be a good measurement also, guess i should have added, the "B" and extended to the door seam...
we could call it the mystery "C" measurement...;)
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Got it, do you prefer metric or standard?
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either works for me, thanks!!
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Ok, here are the measurements you need. The only one I can't get is "B" since I don't have the sail panel at home. I can get you this by Friday of next week though.
Excuse the Ikea :-[ tape measurer, I forgot my real one at work. If you need any more measurements just let me know. ::thumbup
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That is Excellent !! thank you so much...
i have now found that the pillar/door post has to be moved rearwards 2" and the top roof line also modified to put the body closer to the oem format.
this also exposes the missing 2" of the doors and will allow me to expand my doors or consider an oem copy....
as can be seen, i have installed OEM bat wings and to the "left" of the green tape is where the body panels/parts will have to be cut back to meet the required size constraints, this fits well with my upper cross beam which was matched previously to an oem position but had me scratching my head wondering why it was off a few inches on the body... after i get back from my previous engagement, i will be cutting all these sections off and refitting them with a more significant update.
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Yup that's more forward than I have mine :\
Lot going on.. so the hatch isn't oem sized :S the batwings are for a coupe right?
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where is your upper cross bar sitting? i thought yours should be around the same area if you mounted your body based on some of those measurements we passed back and forth some time ago...?
on mine i have to make the filler from the hole of the body to about a 1/4" from the left edge of the metal cross bar. and of course the rest of the roof edges and shorten the rear engine hatch and cut off the upper quarter windows from the B pillars and the upper door jambs... and just make it all new again... or i could invest in oem Quarters... but where is the fun in that? :)
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it's exposed all the way almost meeting the opening end, slight gap
Actually I'm sure nothing is keeping me from moving it forward I don't think
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Are you still going to be able to use the interior panel that covers that area with how close we have the roof to the window? I've been wondering that, not knowing what dept is required.
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this is how much farther back the engine cover needs to go, and that space is what i need to fill in as roof area.
this will leave me with the proper area to make the mounting location for the engine cover and it will be 100% sealed from the engine compartment, this was a big concern for me.
i have ordered the oem inner window frame which is metal to finish off the frame component, but i do not have the interior parts or the proper pockets for the quarter windows as of yet, but working on it.. :)
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That is Excellent !! thank you so much...
You're welcome, if there is anything else you need just ask.
I love that you made the roof / engine cover panel removeable, that is one thing I want to do to my build.
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I bought that metal window frame awhile back, when I went to attach it to the back as shown on the oem chassis I realized we used the 1x1 tube frame and it's not flush with the back side of the firewall so it's not flat against. I thought of replacing it with 1x2 tubing. What are your thoughts?
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is there some way to add to the existing tubing rather than change it out?
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That would be nice since I already attached the roof frame to it lol
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Yes I can see how that would be better, do you have any pictures of it
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I think you are all talking about this bit... ;)
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That's where the interior panel I was talking about goes. The window frame panel is tack welded to the outside. That's what you ordered right or something else?
Sorry if this is someone's chassis they all look the same :S
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Ah ... so this side then.. :)
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you guys have excellent pictures of this area... yes i believe it is the outside or engine bay side of the window.
and just in case i am slow to respond, i am presently on a distant island for the next two weeks in the middle of the Pacific Ocean fulfilling a previous engagement...
so i wont have any updates on things i am working on for the next little bit... unless its a fancy drink with a pretty flower in it....or a sun burn,
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Well, here i am back on Canadian terra-firma, time to get things back up to speed and finish up the stuff that just didnt make the cut when i had to head out for a bit.
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Well, here i am back on Canadian terra-firma, time to get things back up to speed and finish up the stuff that just didnt make the cut when i had to head out for a bit.
Welcome back and congratulations. W:)
Chris
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@ No Bull, Thank you, its good to be back in the saddle again, but it was a nice 2 or 3 weeks off and all those other things that happened!! ;)
@ Anyone else....
i am looking for the OEM physical dimensions of the outside door handles and possibly the cross sectional diameter of the landing they sit in.
i have several from various sources over the years but none seem to match.
thanks.
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I know murcieme's weren't right but thought for sure Watson's would be. http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/build-diaries/15683-ad-lp-640-build-25.html (http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/build-diaries/15683-ad-lp-640-build-25.html)
Maybe String has more accurate drawings.
Are you widening the whole shoulder on the door and quarter? Would love to know an easy way to do that :o
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This is as close as I can get you will just need to photoshop the tape measure out and turn it sideways :LL:
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OK I did it for you.... ::tongue
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Haha excellent ! thank you, do you also have the actual door handle in the same format?
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@ Tallon
thanks for that link, i dont spend any time over there since they banned me, so i have been missing a few things i guess.
yes i have cut the rear quarter and relocated the body line as well widened the upper flat to accommodate the notch and the oem batwings.
this was hardly a walk in the park and i am still in process...of one side... havent touched the other side just in case something goes sideways... but as soon as my sail panels come in i will be able to finish the valley area and fill up the voids.
i will upload some pics of what i have done/undone/cut up/rebuilt etc.
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I know murcieme's weren't right but thought for sure Watson's would be. [url]http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/build-diaries/15683-ad-lp-640-build-25.html[/url] ([url]http://www.madmechanics.com/forum/build-diaries/15683-ad-lp-640-build-25.html[/url])
Maybe String has more accurate drawings.
Are you widening the whole shoulder on the door and quarter? Would love to know an easy way to do that :o
Ah , yes , that is the link I was thinking of when I read this topic. That picture is the door handles I made ,using the lambo handle body , my handle and Audi door lock cylinder.
I did make a start on the link mechanism to the door catch using all automotive parts (adjustable), but got sidetracked at the moment..
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@String, do you have drawings of the handle assembly or the surround? maybe it can be 3d printed then cast? well for the surround part at least
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So attempting to get caught up i am pushing these carbon fiber parts through as fast as i can and bitching them up a bit in the process, but just the same here they are.
these are for our "Site Founder" Chris, and will do for now till i get some better ones made.
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Oh Wow! :drool
Those are awesome looking. Can't wait to see them in person!
Thanks,
Chris
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Thanks Chris, they will be heading out in a day or so. i am making a new set also, I just didnt like these ones at all.
here also is a console button panel for USMC_Butler, (long overdue) that is in mid-process, it still needs several steps before it is finished, then rings will be mounted and it will receive a final going over...
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I am also happy to have these additions to my extended collection of OEM parts:
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so i am looking around on the bay of E and i come across a "used" version of a gas cap that i am looking for...
i am immediately entertained by the price of $369 US... geez really? its just a gas cap...
i mean after all its the real deal right?... well, before peeps get all excited one of the first things to check is what does the dealer sell it for? or the next best place Lambostuff...
a quick check shows me a "brand new never used cap" goes for $266.32 US dealer price listed at $283.32....
its incredible what some people are willing to do to make a buck...i guess there are people out there that would jump because they believe its the deal of the century, but always, buyer beware and if in doubt always ask around... maybe someone has something you are looking for anyways for a better price and then you are just supporting your fellow builder rather than supporting someones yearly vacation....or over-priced Bay account product listings....
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hello, if you are looking for OEM parts, I have the hinges of the engine compartment
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so i am looking around on the bay of E and i come across a "used" version of a gas cap that i am looking for...
i am immediately entertained by the price of $369 US... geez really? its just a gas cap...
i mean after all its the real deal right?... well, before peeps get all excited one of the first things to check is what does the dealer sell it for? or the next best place Lambostuff...
a quick check shows me a "brand new never used cap" goes for $266.32 US dealer price listed at $283.32....
its incredible what some people are willing to do to make a buck...i guess there are people out there that would jump because they believe its the deal of the century, but always, buyer beware and if in doubt always ask around... maybe someone has something you are looking for anyways for a better price and then you are just supporting your fellow builder rather than supporting someones yearly vacation....or over-priced Bay account product listings....
Ha ha, I myself suffered from the same kind of musings last November , ( My item of choice was the Handbook and Wallet) .
This then led me to purchase said items ::toothy , and to order some of the smaller items I need, and a few I wanted to see if they were worthwhile.
'Small' in this context means small & cheap ,and therefore Lambo now only do these kind of items in minimum quantities .
So I have a few excess items which I will post up , and some new parts I can make an OEM Parts picture posting on.
Which leads me to the point ! , selective purchases , for example the 20 Roadwheel Bolts came in at £5.25 each which is far less than $10 S/H ( or very very very used looking).
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so i am looking around on the bay of E and i come across a "used" version of a gas cap that i am looking for...
i am immediately entertained by the price of $369 US... geez really? its just a gas cap...
i mean after all its the real deal right?... well, before peeps get all excited one of the first things to check is what does the dealer sell it for? or the next best place Lambostuff...
a quick check shows me a "brand new never used cap" goes for $266.32 US dealer price listed at $283.32....
its incredible what some people are willing to do to make a buck...i guess there are people out there that would jump because they believe its the deal of the century, but always, buyer beware and if in doubt always ask around... maybe someone has something you are looking for anyways for a better price and then you are just supporting your fellow builder rather than supporting someones yearly vacation....or over-priced Bay account product listings....
Thanks. This is a good reminder. I see this kind of thing so often myself. Everyone thinks what they have is gold and as such, eBay isn't always the best deal around. I have often found new items to be cheaper than eBay. Due diligence is the key!
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Btw that oem fuel cap may not fit your
Filler neck.
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hm never would have thought that'd be an issue, I know a screw on type cap from an Audi will fit a Honda, etc.
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hello, if you are looking for OEM parts, I have the hinges of the engine com
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@Eddie
i have both Gallardo fuel cells in my build, that cap fits several of the Lamborghini body versions... Diablo, Murcielago, Gallardo.
problem was, having the filler neck and nothing to cover it with.
i will probably just buy a new one and be done with it as the gasket on a used one may not seat as well anyways and need replaced.
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I "Have Purchased" the 2 OEM copies of the rear engine hatch hinges from Lambocars.
there is the picture posted above.
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I was not directing to you, I' ve see theirs fuell cap many times on Ebay over the years ,It was just heads up for all others not to jump on oem cap with out checking filler neck fitment
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Gotcha ::beers
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hello, if you are looking for OEM parts, I have the hinges of the engine compartment
How much for a pair of replica hinges?
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What he said^
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wow, sorry was that question to me? i paid 160 euro for the set plus shipping...
on another note i am watching this you tube video of someone customising a murci...
Street Customs | S02E16 | Lamborghini | (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gcpEJlWmQU#ws)
man look how their grunts pull things apart with complete disrespect or concern for the customers car or the parts themselves... most of these interior parts being pulled are actually made from a dense foam... not plastic, not fiberglass... foam... like the console the dash the hand grip the knee pad etc. and buddy just drags and tosses these parts around like they are corolla parts.... just saying... if that was my car and i watching this show of them treating it like that?... i would say it would be the last time.
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Just watched it and can't agree with you more! Most of these parts are highly sought after by ourselves and others yet they are being thrown about like they are garbage. Maybe if someone told them that the part they just threw across the shop was there paycheck they would probably think twice! Looking at that exhaust tip they made just made me feel a lot better about the one I'm working on!!!
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yikes I think that bumper he was kicking off is more than his pay check
it might be like all reality shows where a lot of the deals are just for show? as far as the customers go
good to see some of the interior shots though
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Okay so some more new parts from lamborghini today...
new ignition switch assembly along with two new keys and also the door lock assembly.
the remote head unit for the keys as well vacuum accumulators, hood lever unit, rear licence plate lights, various valves required for the vacuum assembly and a bracket for the battery.
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Looks like my audi's vacuum reservoirs :S
not even sure what they were for
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one is for the brake system and the other is for the accessories: exhaust bypass, plenum ports etc.
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Well, i installed the new key assembly into the column and other than the steering wheel, the system is complete as i also have the control boxes for both the wipers and the turn signals that match the arm switches etc.
now if i can only get the accurate cross bar location i could get to mounting this into my build and eject the present modified Porsche assembly.
:P
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Looks very nice!!! Amazing setup you have there!!! ::headbang
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Thank you, i will try and get other parts together for a family photo when i can get some time for them... :)
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In other news, String and myself have been working together to create parts using his extensive skills of CAD along with my 3D printer...
these handles took over 10 hours to print and though not exact they are pretty freaking close...
they are very solid, and quite usable directly, but i would tend to want to mould and cast with an integral metal form just to be certain nothing breaks.
next will be the outer housing this handle sits in with the required mount areas.
those parts will take over 16 hours each to print.
this is for experimental purposes and not intended to infringe.
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Bond a thin layer of carbon fiber on those (cut from a rigid sheet) and add a bronze bushing in the hinge pivot area and you'd probably have a part that would stand up to the use any of us would put the part through and look awesome. The dimple area could be cut out and left so the plastic shows through or finished with epoxy etc.
Chris
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Great idea No Bull! If he could 3D print these slightly smaller, then coat them in a layer of CF that would be plenty rigid! Should work for many other parts as well!
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Thanks for the input,
CF does work on these parts but i have yet to see a CF handle on its own, most all i have ever seen have been painted the car color.
if i were to make these i would more than likely mould them and then make a part infused with CF,composite and epoxy along with embedded bushings or support etc.
CF, although strong in its own right is only that way if the part has been designed to utilise CF as the sole support material and has the added design elements that make it useful.
otherwise it can be just a visual experience in which case a laminate is suitable.
it may just happen, even if it is just a visual part. :)
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Does anyone have the wiring schematics for an LP640?
including the connector pinouts... just curious, i need to start thinking about wire looms and programing computers to work with OEM parts, but it would be nice to have electrical schematics to bounce off :)
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Okay so cleaning up and thinning out i came across these now orphaned parts, a few years ago i bought them of a fellow who got ripped off so bad i wanted to help him somehow so i bought these from him...
i have since created OEM replicas of the upper engine and no longer want these to occupy space...
so i am in Canada on the west coast... make me and offer and cover the shipping ...
not sure if this should be in the things for sale part or not...but i dont have a price and i did purchase them so i will "Sell them" unless someone wants to trade?
either way
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Soooooo, you say you have molds for an OEM engine cover? How much are you asking for the OEM rendition? And do they include the intakes? :)
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How is this one in comparison to the OEM version?
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Nice looking parts.
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Here is a sample of a new composite panel i have created from an OEM part.
the idea behind this is to try to make these panels cost effective incorporating 3D printed parts* that have been cast (*designed by our good friend String)
and either Laminated with Carbon Fiber or covered in leather.
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Guys.. leave this build diary about the build.
Please.. no more posts here about constitutional rights or user feedback.
I've taken this off line with Jay and I'll work any issues he has with me and the way I operate this site.
Thank you,
Chris
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Moving along,
String has been working non-stop producing high end images of the parts for me to convert and print.
this is another example of the buttons for the lower end of the console panel with the 4 way button and the gas/mirror buttons.
the console panel is CF and is one of my fabrications, it has not received its final coat in case i scratch it during fitting processes.
eventually this completed unit will go to our "all round" nice guy Dustin, (usmc_butler)
*note:
the buttons will be cleaned up and recast as well, the buttons requiring LEDs will have them inserted during the fabrication process.
these images are just showcasing the progress of 3d printing and its benefits.
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last night the printer was hard at work while our Canadian Hockey team was cleaning up... ::beers
this is the 5 button lamp control for the left side of the drivers dash.
the buttons are rough and not final by any means but show the purpose.
the trim ring assembly is an OEM part from Lamborghini.
all parts that were printed came from an initial file made by String and with a tiny little bit of massaging they have been made to work.
the rear area of the bezel protrudes a little more than required so i did remove an amount.
i will see about cleaning this up and possibly mould and make a carbon fiber version to again show the capabilities of a 3D printer
enjoy.
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Even though we got shown the way home by the Canadians in the curling :sosad..... here are a few shots of the desired results. Looking good so far.
(Although if we are the best of the rest - what does that really say......)
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Looking good Digi and String!!! You fellas make a pretty swell team! How do you plan on making your buttons? I was wondering if they couldn't be turned out of a clear acrylic then painted! I'm sure you guys have probably come up with a better solution though! Keep up the good work!!!
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Interesting facts....
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dude (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dude)
"dude"
A word that americans use to address each other.
Particularly stoners, surfers and skaters.
Example: dude, i'm like......dude
Words related to dude:
bro, man, dudes, cool, guy, awesome, friend, sex, gay, homie, chick, girl...
Glad i am not anyone's "Dude".... just saying... ::K
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In other news,
still packing the shop up and getting ready to move, by this time next month I will have a new selection of images and progress on this build and several other projects i am also working on.
the collection of build photos over the past 3 years have increased to a significant size, thinning them down to relevant areas is going to be interesting.
if people are interested in specific parts of the build then i could start with those and save the bother of picking and choosing, if no one is interested then i guess i will have some extra time on my hands... ;)
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Those wacky Americans... ::usa
I've never heard of the sex, gay, chick or girl "dude" related meanings. I guess I run in different circles. ;)
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post 'em all :) don't care if my eye balls fall out looking at them all
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Post away Boss!!! I need me some reading material ::study
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today i was very excited to finally receive the rear Engine hatch hinges from Lambocars.
I cannot say enough good things about these, they are incredible.... very well made and hard pressed to find any fault about them.
if anyone is needing hinges that are as OEM as it will get other than OEM... you Have to buy a set of these !! you will not regret it... ::thumbup
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Saving up for a set :)
they look good
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these parts are heading out to USMC_Butler, not completely finished, but i have no time left and have to move so they will do for now.... ::K
the aluminum egear selector was machined by Alan...
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This seems to take forever, but after several and i mean several trips with a 38 foot 5 ton truck i have almost finished moving from the mainland to the island, one more trip and that will be it for the material stuff.
once i have a bit more time to establish myself i will show a few pictures of the new place and what my shop now looks like, though it wont be in its final stage by any means, it will give everyone a good idea of where i will build and finish my projects as well, create new things.
in the mean time, i have tried to pop in here and there to see whats new on the forum and catch up but after being around 3 pages behind i skipped a fair bit and may have to manually search for interesting info and ideas i have missed.
hope all is well and i look forward to spending some time here very soon and also start to show more of my build and the techniques i have used in the process.
::K
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So, I bought some new parts..... Took about a month to get them but well worth the wait for sure.....
Now if only I could get the hood I paid for in January ......
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these parts are heading out to USMC_Butler, not completely finished, but i have no time left and have to move so they will do for now.... ::K
the aluminum egear selector was machined by Alan...
Now if only I could get the hood I paid for in January ......
I never have received these parts, hope they aren't lost...?
Also John has your hood done, I'm just waiting on some sort of shipping arrangements???
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My apologies, your box was shipped, just not to you, I have found it with the other parts shipped over the past month.
The confusion set in when I had "helpers" and I am assuming in that free for all, it got mixed up in the mix and was not picked up with other packages by the courier.
I will throw in some plenums you can have that I don't need.
Sorry about that.
**I am permanently at the new location now, so feel free to ship here
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I had the great pleasure of meeting "Linlor" (Don). The other evening.
He and his wife came by my new place and finally someone has seen the zoo of a shop I am trying to organize.
Don has a Countach and a 308 I believe, and a wife that has far more patience than most as we chatted away for what seemed to be a few minutes turned out to be more hourish.
It was a pleasant change to be able to show work process and progress than talk about it, specially to a person who appreciates the effort that goes into making composites.
We had the fortunate opportunity to resolve a machine issue in the process which has since allowed Don to get one of his functional again.
I wish we could have spent more time chatting but he still had more than an hour drive to get home so the evening ended there.
Don is a great guy to get to know and I look forward to getting together again soon.
I hope in the future I can finally meet up with more people from this community as a face to go with the name is always worth the time.
That said members are always welcome to drop by if they are in the area.
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Pleasure was all mine.
Digibeam has a shop to die for folks....... VERY nice setup and will be even better once it is all set up and functioning.
Everyone is also welcome at my place in Victoria, BC for a chat and beverage as the community is what keeps us going sometimes when the frustration is at a high on the project when trying to figure something out that just won't quite fit......
Cheers
Don
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? Where is everyone....... Was it something I said?
::K
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Summer time means less computer time typically. ::thumbup
Chris
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I'm here! That's about all the news I have :\
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That's good to hear because the forum wouldn't be the same without you.....
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Well in saying that, I haven't had much luck working on my build as I have been waiting on parts, I can't work on my headers as I have no mufflers, can't work on my front hood and cowl area as I have no hood and I am presently looking into getting OEM quarters so it doesn't make a lot of sense to continue reshaping the ones I have.
So, I have been finishing up on Mr Lamboclones CF handle and a few other parts for Tallon as well I have been setting up the rest of the shop area for CF parts and as we bought a new larger 80watt laser I have the older 40 watt to use in the shop now also.
Another entertaining time waster has been trying to find parts that were set aside before the move.
When you get people to help you, it becomes a feeding frenzy of packing and mis direction, things get found in the strangest places along with OEM parts getting tossed in the garbage or mixed in with Christmas wrapping...
In the end I was grateful for assistance but the process cost me, one of the front rims was badly gouged by a length of metal put on the side skirt. Then the car was moved and turned with said metal poking into the spokes of the Hercules rim making a clanged sound and impeding the forward motion, but determination pushed through and they managed to push the car anyways thereby scratching the entire rim.... Another set of rims found their fate when the same person loaded a grinder on a stand into the truck without strapping it in thinking that it should be heavy enough to just stay in place... It tipped over during the trip and landed dead onto yet another otherwise perfect set of GT1 rims and gouged a chunk out of one of those. There by rendering their resale value to nothing.
It didn't stop there, but in the end approx damage was $7000 and the help cost $1200 cause at the end of the day they wanted paid as it wasn't for the good of their health, guess that's what friends become...
So, in the end here I sit writing this because it's on my mind and as I watch everyone else get her done and think about the methods they invoked to get to where they are, I wonder to myself about getting mine done and the reasons why I have not.
Rome was not built in a day nor are these builds, hast makes waste is a little used term here, yet everyone wants to have their build done tomorrow... Myself included... But that is hardly realistic.
Recently on another thread comments have been made regarding the pride aspect of building a car.
Few people have the time and patience to do just that, we now live in a world full of people that demand instant gratification and heavy reward for mediocrity.
Foundation has been the key to long venture, if you build it well it will survive in the long run, this works in business and this works in fabrication.
I am always entertained by the high class in borrowed shoes approach, 1700 HP dual turbo fuel injected inter cooled half caff decaf no cup.
All in a chopped up 30 year old chassis that had its day 20 years ago.
Nothing against anyone who believes they can build that, to each there own, but the reality check comes quickly when unwilling to invest in proper suspension components or start to use spacers or "looks about right" should work okay...don't want to invest in quality or OEM but they want the top fuel dragster under the hood.
I have been toying with my build for what is coming up on 4 years now, I have been farther along than most then ripped it all out or apart because I felt I was skimping or short changing myself, this is a personal thing but I don't feel I am alone in this area as others have put several years into their build and although it could be deemed as over built, they probably will still keep touching it up for a bit yet....
The point I am getting at is the demand for speed, not just in a logistics manner but in a fabrication manner, time is nothing if it means you survive the next day, the desire to push the project on the road at little to no cost is just an invitation for disaster maybe not personally but maybe to someone else.
The reason I keep pulling my build apart is to incorporate a safer crumple zone or a new gusset array, maybe I over built my engine mounts but I know they will not fracture, they will not break and they will not release my engine transaxle assembly under impact.
I also know what my side impact results are along with front and rear.
I have built the same and improved frame for my car 3 times now, the first was based on the chassis works plans I had purchased, I then added and removed, modified required areas and along with a structural engineer redesigned several key areas, a new chassis was built based on that as the original had too many cut and weld points,
The second chassis was then sent for destructive testing and ... Well it was destroyed.
The chassis I have now was built from the second chassis design and a few improvements.
I am not saying anything against anyone I am just saying what I feel is important to me, and this procedure was important to me.
As I am building this car for the enjoyment of learning and fabricating I continue to find new things to think about and investigate better ways to create the same part with better and stronger results.
Cost is something I have yet to tally but I'm not a drug addict, I don't gamble, never smoked. Don't mind having a few beers mind you, so I maybe use what I have to finance this project because I don't have other vices, this also makes a difference, I am happy to say I have a wife that more than supports my project and has zero issues with my on going learning curve.
Well, if you made it this far then either you find what I have to say as interesting, entertaining or maybe it gets you out of cutting the grass for a little while longer...
My favourite place is this one, sure everyone has something bad to say about someone and I have had my fair share of mud slung at me but those people could also use a look in the mirror and see how dark their own reflection can be while they are thinking about themselves.
This place has been and should be a safe haven for all thoughts and all walks, no one has to agree with everyone it is easy to agree to disagree and move on, just because things are not in your favour doesn't mean you need to publicly lash out, honestly we are not 5 years old and meeting up in the playground at recess gets old fast.
I always look forward to what is happening each day unless a day happens that nothing else does... And that is always a strange day.
I am glad that a person like Chris exists to support our habits good or bad and perseveres our brash and harsh moments by seeing through the pointy words and allows the goodness that we all have to come out and exist in this one place.
This is a debt that can never be repaid other than respecting the place we all come to just be ourselves.
Thank you for your time, I now must go cut the grass....
::K
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Nice post Digi
Anyone building cars as a hobby has certainly been where your at right now. It's easy to loose heart when parts are damaged or in my case stolen but sometimes you wake up in the morning and realize today is a good day to jump in and start again.
Always look for your updates and tips and I can't wait till it's done!!
Pete
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I would love to see the frame you settled on and any pointers you have for safety. It has been a concern of mine too. I will likely go with a NAERC chassis but the principals should be the same.
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Well said Digibeam. I agree with everything you have typed. Your car is already an incredible build on what you have changed up. I look forward to dropping up soon for a beer and chat.... hopefully in my finished Ferrari 308 replica......
Talk to you soon as I also need to go mow my lawn now....(for real).... haha
Cheers
Don
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Well.... I cut the entire body apart on my build, not getting anywhere with it as everyone is well aware, I also just got let down on a deal for rear quarters that I had been waiting to purchase.
On another topic,
I have noted an emulation of sorts going on, my blood type is B+. In case you would like to copy that also....(you know who you are)
I have been finally getting the rest of my 4128sqft shop in order, another few days will see all the work zones finalized.
Pleasantly fellow builder Linlor (Don) dropped by last week but the visit was brief unfortunately, due to 18 family members arriving to stay for several days.(we can catch up on that cold one next time Don)
I have found an issue with the mount positions for the lower arms with the CW plans, The listed version in practice creates a rake that leaves the rear chassis an inch higher frame-wise, I was initially thinking I had to get shorter springs or less poundage as I drop one inch for every 1000 lbs and I needed one more inch lower.....thinking I had possibly mounted the lower brackets incorrectly, I remeasured everything and they are to spec. But in fact should be mounted higher as the top perch also needs to rotate and have its position altered to keep the formula intact.
Once I have relocated the lower mounts I will post the before and after change which I believe is of vital importance for builders of the chassis.
I also will have an opportunity to pull my engine and transaxle back out as I have an overhead gantry now with a 10k limit in my middle bay along with the hydraulic car lift...
And come to think of it I guess Don is the only person who has seen it already....
I have started back into the carbon fiber projects also, and presently I have a few parts in mid process, to further that, I have some 3d print parts to build and I have finally created the black, back lit buttons with white/green glowing icons.... News and pictures to follow ....
To friends and enemies everywhere....Persevere....
::K
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Mine chassis is higher in the rear too but then doesn't it matter what you got in there?
I still have to shorten my arms anyway and that's the harder part. Did you just remake the arms?
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Digi: Between your shop, your skills, and your drive to build your parts and replica, you make the rest of us jealous. Regarding the strength of your chassis for side impact, I have found or noticed the lack of any protection for side impact in the door area. If one realizes that fiberglass and a window regulator do not exactly provide any protection at all. With so many SUVs and pickups on the roads these days, the height of the bumpers scare me especially when riding at 5.0" ground clearance. I think that the inner door frame needs a lot more than a 1x1 frame tubing. Is there enough space outboard of the door glass to incorporate a side guard door beam? Just thinkin'. (maybe more hp will get me out of harms way) ::scratch
Jim
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Looking forward to pics of those backlit buttons. Would you mind sharing the process you used to create them?
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@tallon,
The front assembly I needed to add 5" overall width but the rear assembly is a perfect fit, the rear arms fit with the corvette hub/bearing assembly.
My entire frame is .125 wall and several areas of seamless that and a SBC with the Porsche transaxle OEM seats, reservoirs, body panels, harness, radiators etc and still only a one inch drop in the rear I still have to build the stainless exhaust but even there a few hundred pounds tops with the Gallardo mufflers probably won't drop it much more.
In order to get the drop I need, I severely lose the horizontal alignment of the lower rear arms which tends to bring the wheels inwards more at the top.
Relocating the lower mounts and rotating the upper mounts will provide the geometry and the proper stance for the rear arm assembly on OEM rims.
I am thinking I will make offset parts first and just bolt in place to validate before cutting anything off.
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@01Lambiero
Yes you are very correct, nothing makes me more concerned than the thought of an F150 running a light and making for a lousy Tuesday afternoon.
I have not rebuilt my door frames as of yet, but they are space framed and along with a crushing impact Center the edges of the door mate to a further zone on the body itself to exert energy to the frame of the car and surrounding cab area which based on the weight and assuming it is not a sandwich condition will absorb and push the car, keeping in mind also I have 6 airbags , 4 that are from Lamborghini and two front that are from Porsche.
I build the outer door to match the inner door, not inner to outer.
If that makes sense.... There is plenty of room for the window assembly and includes a crash bar with welded crush inserts.
These cars at best are death traps to say the least, to attempt better, then one has to be willing to spend time, money and effort to achieve what will hopefully be less of a death trap than the other guys.
Nothing is certain, if your number is up then the big guy will be calling one way or another, at that moment is not a good time to wonder if you made the right choices in life or if you treated people fairly, at that time a bad weld or poor design choices will be the least of your concern also.
People need to stand back and look carefully at what they have and start to think about what if? If they think about that never happens around here... Then may I introduce the concept of lightening and Murphy's law.
Thank you for bringing up this point, it is one of the most significant gaps in these builds.
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@Bigpines
The process involved 3d printing, a work in progress with String, then a mould and cast process, during casting an integral led is embedded then once set, that part is coated and dried.
I then made a jig to hold the part and using one of my lasers I etch the image into the top of the button, I then coat the entire part with a surface sealer and it should be good, I am destroying them in various ways to see the best finish that will resist wear.
Once I am happy with the final part I will see about progress images.
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Who tested the crush zones on your first chassis? How did they get accurate results without knowing what your finished car weight would be? Can you post some pics so others can add this additional safety aspect to their CW frame?
Your button process is basically the same as Oem from my research. Except they use injection molding. As for paint, Spray some adhesion promoter on the plastic to soften the outer layer a bit, then apply a good quality auto body paint with flex additive. That process will stand up to any abuse the buttons should see. Including fading from UV rays. ::thumbup
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Alan,
The test was done at a destructive test facility, the car was mid weighted to represent the engine etc the mounts you have seen were similar to what had been used but I added additional material, which isn't always the answer as long as it has been put in the correct place.
The problem with showing the chassis is twofold, one my time and investment was for personal achievement more than to educate the populace freely, second, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing...
When people look at a picture and assume if they just do that without knowing why or if it is of any benefit at all then they creates a situation that is completely unknown... I am not about to promote that sort of information through random images, as I am not the sole designer of the present frame as it sits, in regards to the CW design it is the basis of my chassis but has long since been revised.
I am sure that is not the answer you are looking for but it is the one I am willing to give at this moment in time.
I was staying away from injection moulds just due to the cost of machining them and the small run potential, the black is not paint that I am using but excellent information just the same thank you
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Good information Digibeam. I sure would like to see some pictures of everything. Part of the value of this site is to learn and part is to teach and give back to the community. How much more dangerous would all of our chassis' be if we tried to incorporate a few of your ideas based on nothing but pictures? Go ahead and post 'em. You may just save someone's life.
On the other hand, if you are not the owner of the intellectual property and you have some kind of restriction on what you can post, that is another thing entirely.
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Understood completely and I agree, but yes this is a co-design and sharing some information with heavy investment is not always an option for the obvious reason and should never be considered an obligation as such, some requests are nothing more than challenges while others are genuine, I leave it to myself to decide who I share the most intimate details with.
This is a fair option and those who have ever asked for my help personally have always received it to the best of my knowledge.
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Here is what my build is looking like today from last week....
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Well now, it's looking like a Murcielago. That's always good news.
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A bit late on posting these pics,
These are buttons I manufactured, the original files are to be credited to String as we have worked together on these.
The button was 3D printed initially and a few issues worked out, then it was moulded and cast in multilayered plastics.
After these have set, I then used one of my lasers to etch the icons onto the button face.
The internal LEDs are green for night illumination with the required buttons having a red led also for actuation verification.
Enjoy.....
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I am very impressed. Pretty dang cool!
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Great job very nice Frank!
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Thanks guys, they have been quite a thorn in the side getting them to this point.
Once I have the circuits finished I will mount them with the computer drive and show them in action.
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looks great. awesome work man!
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Excellent job on these buttons! From my own experience years ago I know how hard is to reach it to this point and make it look like OEM quality. ::beers
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Hope everyone is having a great summer so far,
I have been reading about this build (not on this site,)
but I am now wondering what ever happened with the project, does anyone recognize the car or the builder?
Seemed like an excellent amount of work went into his plug just wanting to see how far it got or if it was ever finished.
http://www.kitcars.com/forums/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=9297&TOPIC_ID=2965&FORUM_ID=3&CAT_ID=4&Forum_Title=General+Messages&Topic_Title=Finding+Lamborghini+Murcilago+Plans&M= (http://www.kitcars.com/forums/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=9297&TOPIC_ID=2965&FORUM_ID=3&CAT_ID=4&Forum_Title=General+Messages&Topic_Title=Finding+Lamborghini+Murcilago+Plans&M=)
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Amazing work. I wish he would have updated that thread.
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So I signed up for random emails from Lamborghini after purchasing from the online store, I am entertained by this image...
Why is he looking so angry? Did someone scratch the car? Is he actually a car thief and is about to steal it? Perhaps his Dad owns it, they had an argument while out at a dinner and told him to walk home in the rain.....?
Maybe it's because the valet parked it on the sidewalk?
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Here is the jig I made for my upper and lower rear arms, it is set up with both sides functional.
The tubes are for alignment, and work on both sides
as well, I use powerful rare earth magnets to hold them in place for storage, this way the tubes don't accidentally end up as part of another project or In a scrap bin
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Here is the jig I made for my upper and lower rear arms, it is set up with both sides functional.
The tubes are for alignment, and work on both sides
as well, I use powerful rare earth magnets to hold them in place for storage, this way the tubes don't accidentally end up as part of another project or In a scrap bin
Looks great!
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I had one but I guess I tossed it :\
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A bit late on posting these pics,
These are buttons I manufactured, the original files are to be credited to String as we have worked together on these.
The button was 3D printed initially and a few issues worked out, then it was moulded and cast in multilayered plastics.
After these have set, I then used one of my lasers to etch the icons onto the button face.
The internal LEDs are green for night illumination with the required buttons having a red led also for actuation verification.
Enjoy.....
Very Nice! How did you manage to cast the red led light so perfectly in your buttons?
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Thank you, the buttons have an optical light pipe added after they have been drilled, not all of the buttons require the red led so I did not incorporate the hole as part of the initial mould I have a jig to drill the hole afterwards then I added the light pipe compound
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Still angry...... Maybe it's too much testosterone ....
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He actually wanted a murcie for xmas :(
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Any progress? Don't keep us in the dark!!! ::wave
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Been busy with several areas, but making progress.
These are not complete but custom made for Mr Butler, there is a final coat that will give a smooth finish, they are not as bumpy as the image seems to suggest
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These turned out great, going to fit perfect! Cant wait to get them installed!
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I have purchased a 4'x4' Cnc plasma table....
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Sweet! Looks good...
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I have purchased a 4'x4' Cnc plasma table....
That is awesome!
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Thanks guys. Well here is what I did today, I made the muffler bracket from the files provided by our good friend String, also I have cut out the B pillar sheet metal areas as I start to work on the mid structural sections of the build
Enjoy
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Good work!
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Okay so today, exercising yet again some files made by our good friend String, here is the radio and hvac assembly cut out ready to be bent and spot weld
Enjoy
Oh and the external B pillar gusset
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And who doesn't have enough flaming skull head things?
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I am certain everyone is wondering with baited breath... Is he going to do anything with the hvac/radio support brackets?
Yes, I have, here are a few sequences of the parts bent and then assembled, I didn't make any springs or proper hinge washers/ bolt etc I will get to that eventually.
Also here are the consul button ring retainer mounts one also bent and formed but missing a single standoff that fell into the drink while cutting it and I forgot to fish it out.....
Please enjoy the images
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That is just too cool , ::thumbup
Great to see a drawing come to life .
::thumbup
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digibeam…
You better watch out. If you keep it up, you just might "ruin" the image people have of those "Cheap POS replicas".
You might change the entire WORLD!
Nice work.
RT
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Really putting that Plasma to good use, parts look great! Try moving your pierce point to the inside of the cut, should clean them up a bit!
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Really nice job! ::beers Having to fabricate things like this is what I like most in the home built cars.
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String, always a pleasure to bring one of your very talented CAD files to life,
RT, thank you for those words, i know from you it has well grounded intentions, you are after all the main reason i got into this hobby.
Purple, thank you for the compliments and the heads up, but... i actually cut all these parts with zero lead in, it was intentional for several reasons, first to identify and second because they are first run parts for myself, once i fit and form, make a few errors with bends etc i will more than likely recut the parts for a final install part. but again, thank you for the reminder.
plans for sale, well, what can i say, i am just wanting to build one of your frames...
and speaking of goofing, here is a trial run on beading the lower B pillar part, its odd size requires both front and rear side rolling and also inversion of the rollers... maybe i need a roller with a deeper throat depth, but i still got it done for the most part, and not a final part by any means.
thank you guys.
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Honestly that part looks much better then the original. The original part is stamped which makes it much easier then having to roll all of that. It looks great
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Seems quite uncommon shape for a B-pillar part (after the door window, I suppose?). Where this piece will go onto your chassis? :)
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Plans4sale,
It is the bottom of the B pillar, here is another image of one I just recently cut, the first one didn't have the flanges, you can see the two parts which will eventually be bead formed and spot welded together.
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What Gauge are you making those out of?
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Those parts are 18g cold rolled, as there will be several layers of various panels (thicker gauge) sandwiched in interesting positions, along with the parts being formed, then spot welded, more than adequate when combined with the heavy walled frame structure.
Other parts such as gussets etc are a far thicker gauge regardless of what you see in the pictures they do not always reflect the final part to be installed. I am merely displaying progress of fabrication.
Thanks for the interest.
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Well, it is getting to be that time of year, I haven't been working on much, still waiting on a few things but in the mean time, I remembered I was very much in need of these cam washers.... It was always like pulling teeth to get a water jet guy to cut them for what ever of the reasons they like to give not to cut small things..... So I made my own and I am happy with the way they came out and will work perfect for me.
I will modify the bolts and after I do I will post the finished assembly.
Enjoy
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I also had the hardest time finding someone to make me those little things and then it took them about two weeks to get them made. Well done on those!
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Autopro:
I remember seeing a picture of yours and even then I was thinking maybe I could go through you to get them which seems incredible when water jet people abound up here, something like 28 companies in BC mainland and island, but I let it go for that time,.
Then going through my image files several days ago I came across the image of your water cut cam washers.
I guess they could be bought or substituted, I know the Porsche ones work. But making them just adds that extra thing to the list of "I did it myself" and in the end, specially with a tube chassis build, that is the original intention, to make it all yourself.
And two thumbs up for your present build by the way, should be done in no time at the rate you are going.
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Nice job on the cam washers! The feeling to build it yourself worth the time and effort! As far as laser cut/water-jet cut companies go, they are just shy to ask you big money for small cut parts. :) It's same principle in every business.
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I have been working on a few different areas but thought I would show the progression of a few more parts.
Presently I am still fortifying the B pillar area internal structure so more on that later.
I have cut out the front hood hinge assembly and though I still need to make the rivets to hold them together they are as they are and a big thank you to String for his original posting of the file some time ago on the forum.
Next I have created the face panel for the hvac display. Yes it is metal and I am using it as a basis to build the carbon fiber version, but for now it is the correct size and design so again future postings will show progress.
I have cut out and formed the rear firewall window frame.
This is obviously a heavy requirement for any tube chassis with that engine sitting inches away, steel has a slightly slower burn through than fiberglass... Not suggesting it could or will happen, but when a very high percentage of the OEM cars have in fact been lost through engine compartment fires, whatever gives you the upper hand in time... It's always worth the effort.
Thank you for taking a look.
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On another note,
I would like to thank Don (Linlor ) and Wayne for dropping by last Friday, it is always a pleasure to have a few experienced builders spend a few hours, chatting with and exchange ideas... Looking forward to seeing Don completing his present project in the very near future !
Also looking forward to future visits, and as always extend an invitation to anyone who is in the area to drop by.
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The frame looks better than oem, or at least the one I bought.
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Great work Digibeam. You are an inspiration!
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On another note,
I would like to thank Don (Linlor ) and Wayne for dropping by last Friday, it is always a pleasure to have a few experienced builders spend a few hours, chatting with and exchange ideas... Looking forward to seeing Don completing his present project in the very near future !
Also looking forward to future visits, and as always extend an invitation to anyone who is in the area to drop by.
Hey Digibeam;
Wayne and I had a great time talking projects with you and Mei. We talked about the info we absorbed all the way back home.
I always enjoy seeing how others are making progress on their projects to kick me in the butt to get moving on mine...... :) Thank you very much for the hospitality and when you are down my way, please make sure you stop in. My garage isn't nearly as big or full of beautiful equipment as yours but it is heated..... :) haha
Mind you, for everyone else's benefit, our area is currently sitting at 10*C or about 45*F and sunny so cold is relative given a lot of the rest of North America is at or well under freezing right now......
Take care and keep going.
Don
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Wow. January almost gone already !! Where does the time go?
Well, while I wait for some parts to assist me finishing my B Pillar area I have been catching up on a few other parts and fighting the cool shop which isn't really that bad. But not good for composite work just yet.
My good friend Eddie sent me a tracing of a valve cover from a diablo some time ago and just recently mentioned something about it in passing.
That was good timing, I had made the cad file but never got around to making it.
I don't really know why I wanted to make this version so bad but it just looks more interesting than the later versions I guess...
I also cut out the door latch support area and still need to bend that into the interesting ripple chip design, more on that and installation of the B Pillar as I can move forward in that area.
Thanks for looking
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In case anyone needs to see what the OEM fuel filler assembly looks like here it is, they are not very expensive to buy.
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You say not very expensive as in???
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I could get a new one as shown for around £90 , or a second hand one for £200. ::duh
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No offense String, but I would not consider that cheap for a simple filler neck. You can buy brand new ones for next to nothing. Or use an existing one from your donor car, saying you are using a donor car! I've already spent a lot on my car and if I start going OEM on every single detail it will never see the light of day, and if it does it will easily surpass the price of a real one!
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I bought the parts from a USA supplier, the cap was $100 and the filler neck was $125.
I don't find that to be the least bit expensive for an OEM part, considering its importance and frequency of use.
The level of integrity a person wants to put into their build is a personal thing...if in the end buying OEM parts only to have them never see the light of day after installation makes the builder content in knowing they have done so, then I for one am all for paying that price without counting the cost.
Doesn't mean I am not always looking for a deal, like anyone, but recent "deals" seem to be restricted to a select few.
What ever happened about the stainless tail pipes? Did you ever make them? That I am interested in.
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What deals are restricted to a select few? Please elaborate because I'd love to chop you off at the knees some more. ::K
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No offense String, but I would not consider that cheap for a simple filler neck. You can buy brand new ones for next to nothing. Or use an existing one from your donor car, saying you are using a donor car! I've already spent a lot on my car and if I start going OEM on every single detail it will never see the light of day, and if it does it will easily surpass the price of a real one!
No problem , I was merely answering the question of the price. I have no opinion of the cost one way or the other ,apart from seeing people selling s/h parts for more than new , but I think it is fair to say that there is a difference between inexpensive and cheap . :)
Oooh , donor car , I need to make a decision which way to go with mine.
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No offense String, but I would not consider that cheap for a simple filler neck. You can buy brand new ones for next to nothing. Or use an existing one from your donor car, saying you are using a donor car! I've already spent a lot on my car and if I start going OEM on every single detail it will never see the light of day, and if it does it will easily surpass the price of a real one!
No problem , I was merely answering the question of the price. I have no opinion of the cost one way or the other ,apart from seeing people selling s/h parts for more than new , but I think it is fair to say that there is a difference between inexpensive and cheap . :)
Oooh , donor car , I need to make a decision which way to go with mine.
I hope you didn't take it the wrong way String! I was simply trying to get an answer out of Digibeam as his post about the low low cost of OEM filler necks was rather conveniently, immediately, right after I had posted related parts for sale! Not sure what I did to deserve this but whatever. If that is the game that he wants to play that is fine! He thinks people amongst us are getting discounted parts and that is simply fabricated! If I buy multiple parts from someone to save on getting it from overseas, I will share the wealth with everyone! If parts can be traded, even better! But it's also a 2 way street. A successful trade requires a person to send something in exchange for goods they've received. I am on here to learn from others, and work with others to finish my car as an end result! I do not care to make a dime off this hobby as there is not much to make anyway. If others would like to have parts that I have, I will make sure they are available and hopefully others will do the same!
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@ Purple.
I can assure you i had no intentions whatsoever to discourage any purchasers from your product, this thought did not even cross my mind, what i did was in fact display the oem part for all to see what it actually looks like along with the filler tube in the event that anyone had a curiosity, as well to see how closely your part looked to the oem from a different perspective.
i will also reinforce the fact that i had zero intentions of interfering with your sales as all i would have to do is make a mould of my own parts, cast several in a non-volatile, fuel safe material and offer them for $25 each plus shipping including cap fitment of buyers choice...
this i did not do....
and just to clarify, never did a mention "low low prices" for OEM.. this is a statement best reserved for Walmart etc.
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"In case anyone needs to see what the OEM fuel filler assembly looks like here it is, they are not very expensive to buy"
this isnt a war zone, i am not an enemy, and despite the single sided stories you may be persuaded with and the individuals that may suggest otherwise, i have no reason to contest you in any way...
i am sorry you think i would be so shallow, that is not who i am or who i would like to be.
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@ Purple.
I can assure you i had no intentions whatsoever to discourage any purchasers from your product, this thought did not even cross my mind, what i did was in fact display the oem part for all to see what it actually looks like along with the filler tube in the event that anyone had a curiosity, as well to see how closely your part looked to the oem from a different perspective.
Ok , from over here all I ever saw was -
Man A offers part for sale ...people see the part , like part and people buy the part . People are happy :)
Man B provides picture of component part fits onto , people like pictures . People are happy :)
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