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How To - Tips => Doors => Topic started by: minihawn on August 09, 2015, 02:54:28 PM
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I have a Diablo replica I am in need of two door hinges if you have any or know anyone or maybe could assist me and building my own please thank you
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Minihawn,
Go to any hardware store and get some 1"OD x 3/4"ID x about 1" steel bushings, get some 3/4"OD x1/2"ID bronze hat bushings to fit them, and get a length of 1/2" drill rod for the pins. All of that stuff for two hinges will not come to $20. Cut and drill some plate hinge arms to suit your application and weld it all up. When you weld it, assemble the entire thing, clamp it down, and weld it that way. The pin will keep it all perfectly aligned. The bronze bushings are oilite, meaning that they are impregnated with oil, and the heat from welding will cause some to seep out, but it will not matter. A hinge constructed this way will have zero play in it and be plenty strong. They can be done in aluminum the same way but you will need to get the aluminum bushings from someone like Tube Service Company. I have always wondered why they are $400 or more a pair, when they are available at all.
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Thank you so much sounds interesting
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or If you want spend $$ contact Marcello MM Brazil those are NAERC clones. he's more on Kitcentral.
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I have always wondered why they are $400 or more a pair, when they are available at all.
Maybe because they do require time and effort to be made, as well as equipment to be used etc. A flat glass template is $50, heck... a custom glass shop will charge you 3 grand to cut and bend it. It's the same reason companies sell bunch of $200 tubes in the form of 5-15K chassis, or when a $5 cotton is sold as $200 branded T-shirt.
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What is good about the NAERC hinges is, they come in two parts , one you bolt to chassis and other to the door. first you set your door and and striker then tack weld the two . move up and down does not fit right break it and do it again till is ok
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I have always wondered why they are $400 or more a pair, when they are available at all.
Maybe because they do require time and effort to be made, as well as equipment to be used etc. A flat glass template is $50, heck... a custom glass shop will charge you 3 grand to cut and bend it. It's the same reason companies sell bunch of $200 tubes in the form of 5-15K chassis, or when a $5 cotton is sold as $200 branded T-shirt.
I have always wondered why they are $400 or more a pair, when they are available at all.
Maybe because they do require time and effort to be made, as well as equipment to be used etc. A flat glass template is $50, heck... a custom glass shop will charge you 3 grand to cut and bend it. It's the same reason companies sell bunch of $200 tubes in the form of 5-15K chassis, or when a $5 cotton is sold as $200 branded T-shirt.
It is not that I fault the seller for asking that $400 price, I am faulting the buyer for paying it. The people buying the $200 shirt in your example do not have a loom in their garage, but the people needing hinges have a welder in theirs.
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That's also true, but having a weld machine does not equal to having the time/equipment/skills to create a door hinge up to the standard of an OEM look. It's the same reason most builders will prefer to buy steering columns and pedals, rather than fabricating these from metal rods and metal plates, respectively. Some people even don't bother to make their own trunk hinges, even though they are rather easy to make.
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That's also true, but having a weld machine does not equal to having the time/equipment/skills to create a door hinge up to the standard of an OEM look. It's the same reason most builders will prefer to buy steering columns and pedals, rather than fabricating these from metal rods and metal plates, respectively. Some people even don't bother to make their own trunk hinges, even though they are rather easy to make.
And that is true as well, but if they do not have the time/equipment/skills to build a simple door hinge, they have no business attempting to build one of these cars. They have none of the requirements.
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Thank you for the Like, Minihawn, glad the build info was helpful. If someone were to inventory the requirements and assets needed to build one of these, and the only one they found was money, why would they be building a replica?
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Door hinges for sale.. Diablo and murci Doors...oem dimensions...420 pair
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That's also true, but having a weld machine does not equal to having the time/equipment/skills to create a door hinge up to the standard of an OEM look. It's the same reason most builders will prefer to buy steering columns and pedals, rather than fabricating these from metal rods and metal plates, respectively. Some people even don't bother to make their own trunk hinges, even though they are rather easy to make.
And that is true as well, but if they do not have the time/equipment/skills to build a simple door hinge, they have no business attempting to build one of these cars. They have none of the requirements.
It's hard to believe that a door hinge with OEM-like look could be done with $20, not to mention the time required. Sometimes, it's worth spending the money to acquire an OEM part (not necessarily limited only to door hinge) over investing time and effort to fabricate one that may not meet the high standards of the builder. Take for example the hood and engine cover hinges that we use on the FLT project. It was decided that OEM hinges from last gen Audi TT are the better option. They are widely available on all continents, reliable, have the necessary size and angle of operation, nice OEM look. Most important is, fabricating these from scratch to look like OEM would require too much time and money, should we choose to do it that way. We could easily use a hinge made out of bunch of drilled and bent laser cut plates, however, that would destroy the overall OEM look and feel we are targeting to. The same goes for A/C vents, switches, seats, manual shifter, latches, and many other parts that will not look and/or perform right if made with the money saving priority in mind. Virtually anything mechanical could be fabricated, but at the end f the day, it's the combination of investment/time/quality/look that matters.
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That's also true, but having a weld machine does not equal to having the time/equipment/skills to create a door hinge up to the standard of an OEM look. It's the same reason most builders will prefer to buy steering columns and pedals, rather than fabricating these from metal rods and metal plates, respectively. Some people even don't bother to make their own trunk hinges, even though they are rather easy to make.
And that is true as well, but if they do not have the time/equipment/skills to build a simple door hinge, they have no business attempting to build one of these cars. They have none of the requirements.
It's hard to believe that a door hinge with OEM-like look could be done with $20, not to mention the time required. Sometimes, it's worth spending the money to acquire an OEM part (not necessarily limited only to door hinge) over investing time and effort to fabricate one that may not meet the high standards of the builder. Take for example the hood and engine cover hinges that we use on the FLT project. It was decided that OEM hinges from last gen Audi TT are the better option. They are widely available on all continents, reliable, have the necessary size and angle of operation, nice OEM look. Most important is, fabricating these from scratch to look like OEM would require too much time and money, should we choose to do it that way. We could easily use a hinge made out of bunch of drilled and bent laser cut plates, however, that would destroy the overall OEM look and feel we are targeting to. The same goes for A/C vents, switches, seats, manual shifter, latches, and many other parts that will not look and/or perform right if made with the money saving priority in mind. Virtually anything mechanical could be fabricated, but at the end f the day, it's the combination of investment/time/quality/look that matters.
your input doesnt mean anything when you believe you could get a 2 million dollar investor with a 3d model, or argue tool hardness to machine styrofoam. you are just dumb, that is why you almost died riding your bike.
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OEM hinge $1199 ea. usd. Of course you will want two.
Custom hinge $400/pair. Your option. Why do they cost $400? My time is my time. If you want it for free, look somewhere else. The question I get is "How and where do I mount it?" It's a custom fit by you. It's our hobby.
Build your own. How hard can it be? Search around. There are a dozen ways builders have built their own.
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614-813-7989 mack her is my number text or call so that we can work out the details , thanks
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That's also true, but having a weld machine does not equal to having the time/equipment/skills to create a door hinge up to the standard of an OEM look. It's the same reason most builders will prefer to buy steering columns and pedals, rather than fabricating these from metal rods and metal plates, respectively. Some people even don't bother to make their own trunk hinges, even though they are rather easy to make.
And that is true as well, but if they do not have the time/equipment/skills to build a simple door hinge, they have no business attempting to build one of these cars. They have none of the requirements.
It's hard to believe that a door hinge with OEM-like look could be done with $20, not to mention the time required. Sometimes, it's worth spending the money to acquire an OEM part (not necessarily limited only to door hinge) over investing time and effort to fabricate one that may not meet the high standards of the builder. Take for example the hood and engine cover hinges that we use on the FLT project. It was decided that OEM hinges from last gen Audi TT are the better option. They are widely available on all continents, reliable, have the necessary size and angle of operation, nice OEM look. Most important is, fabricating these from scratch to look like OEM would require too much time and money, should we choose to do it that way. We could easily use a hinge made out of bunch of drilled and bent laser cut plates, however, that would destroy the overall OEM look and feel we are targeting to. The same goes for A/C vents, switches, seats, manual shifter, latches, and many other parts that will not look and/or perform right if made with the money saving priority in mind. Virtually anything mechanical could be fabricated, but at the end f the day, it's the combination of investment/time/quality/look that matters.
your input doesnt mean anything when you believe you could get a 2 million dollar investor with a 3d model, or argue tool hardness to machine styrofoam. you are just dumb, that is why you almost died riding your bike.
You continue to amaze me of how desperately you deserve to be certified.
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OEM hinge $1199 ea. usd. Of course you will want two.
Custom hinge $400/pair. Your option. Why do they cost $400? My time is my time. If you want it for free, look somewhere else. The question I get is "How and where do I mount it?" It's a custom fit by you. It's our hobby.
Build your own. How hard can it be? Search around. There are a dozen ways builders have built their own.
I have seen these hinges, They are worth the money, you'd be hard pressed to make them for this unless you own your own machining equipment
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OEM hinge $1199 ea. usd. Of course you will want two.
Custom hinge $400/pair. Your option. Why do they cost $400? My time is my time. If you want it for free, look somewhere else. The question I get is "How and where do I mount it?" It's a custom fit by you. It's our hobby.
Build your own. How hard can it be? Search around. There are a dozen ways builders have built their own.
Are these hinges for the murci or diablo?
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I designed my hinges with the OEM bolt pattern for the Diablo. I haven't seen a side by side comparison of the Murcie/Diablo hinges but I believe that they are close but they have different part numbers so they must have different specs.
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I designed my hinges with the OEM bolt pattern for the Diablo. I haven't seen a side by side comparison of the Murcie/Diablo hinges but I believe that they are close but they have different part numbers so they must have different in specs.
thanks ::beers
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Right now on eBay oem Diablo / Murc
Like 400$ a piece .
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I read a post about a guy who can make them in 45 minutes! You should talk to him. Oh wait, your not hanging a barn door and probabaly want something that isn't junk.
01 gave me his plans and they are really nice if you wish to build your own. Otherwise do yourself a favor and buy a good set. It's very important that you use a good quality product or you will be kicking yourself later when the doors are loose and cause latching/alignment issues.
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thanks guys. I'm going to take the plunge and try building a nice set.. i will keep the updates coming
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thanks guys. I'm going to take the plunge and try building a nice set.. i will keep the updates coming
I have a very nice set you can use as a template
CCIE
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thanks guys. I'm going to take the plunge and try building a nice set.. i will keep the updates coming
I have a very nice set you can use as a template
CCIE
Shoot me a text
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Joe from Fieroking on Pennocks has some quality units. Give him a call. I don't know how much he's asking but he's always been fair with me.
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be aware, the inner doors can be different, some dont have the "elevated" hinge pocket, so some of the hinges have the "extra pad" on the door mount side
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be aware, the inner doors can be different, some dont have the "elevated" hinge pocket, so some of the hinges have the "extra pad" on the door mount side
i agree, thats y i opted to build mine. because of the way my chassis is built(vary well)
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Minihawn,
Go to any hardware store and get some 1"OD x 3/4"ID x about 1" steel bushings, get some 3/4"OD x1/2"ID bronze hat bushings to fit them, and get a length of 1/2" drill rod for the pins. All of that stuff for two hinges will not come to $20. Cut and drill some plate hinge arms to suit your application and weld it all up. When you weld it, assemble the entire thing, clamp it down, and weld it that way. The pin will keep it all perfectly aligned. The bronze bushings are oilite, meaning that they are impregnated with oil, and the heat from welding will cause some to seep out, but it will not matter. A hinge constructed this way will have zero play in it and be plenty strong. They can be done in aluminum the same way but you will need to get the aluminum bushings from someone like Tube Service Company. I have always wondered why they are $400 or more a pair, when they are available at all.
I went to what I thought was a pretty good hardware/ machine shop today to try and purchase these hinge parts.
When I asked for the 1" OD bushings they told me they usually use 1" DOM tube and machine the ID to fit the bushing? Is this the normal way to accomplish this? I would rather not spend extra money on machining if these bushings are available off the shelf?
Thanks,
Mike
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Mike,
I certainly agree about not doing it the hard and expensive way. I have no problem getting those bushings from the local Ace Hardware store, couple of bucks apiece. Would you like me to get and send you some?
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Just remember, if the hinge bearing is 4" wide and you have as little as 1/64" (.015625") excess play on one side of the bearing, that will give you 3/16" (.1875") excess movement at 4 feet (the approximate distance to the door latch). That can cause big trouble when you try to close the door and have the door latch miss the catch and/or the nicely painted door hit the nicely painted rear quarter panel. OUCH!
You MUST make the hinges with precision. If you can, make the hinge bearing as wide as possible to reduce the chance of trouble when closing the door. This is NOT the place to get sloppy.
Also, make the hinge mounting on both the body and door SOLID. Flex at either location will come back to haunt you.
RT
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Thank RT , Iv built my own hinges and they work great! Check out my YouTube vid
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Thanks for all the quick replies! I just came in from shoveling pathways to the barn and garage. Snow is still falling here in PA.
76mx, I appreciate your generosity! I think we have a few ace hardware stores around I will check them out and see if they carry these. I wouldn't want to put you through that trouble over a few bushings. ::beers
I suppose if I have to have the DOM tubing machined to fit the bushings it shouldn't be too expensive?
Also when I asked for the drill rod they told me that they stocked ground and polished round stock. Are we talking about the same thing here?
Thanks for the help.
Mike
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lp670mike...
Where in PA are you located?
I have about two feet of snow now and it is supposed to continue 'til about one in the morning. I'm waiting 'til tomorrow to dig out.
RT
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Near Morgantown PA, on the border of Berks and Lancaster county.
Are you in PA as well?
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Yep. In Buckingham, just outside of Doylestown. You are not that far.
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lp670mike
About 1 1/2 hrs away.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Buckingham+Township,+PA/Morgantown,+PA+19543/@40.1930551,-75.7506306,10z/data= (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Buckingham+Township,+PA/Morgantown,+PA+19543/@40.1930551,-75.7506306,10z/data=)!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c401f726bc8b7b:0x384ca34de7e34ff4!2m2!1d-75.0494329!2d40.3149535!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c6661894f43f7f:0xbaa39845a92a38a3!2m2!1d-75.8899408!2d40.1552847
RT
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Awesome! I didn't think there were any builders near by. I grew up in bucks county in the Holland area.
I know the area well. We should meet up sometime. I would love to see your projects.
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SURE! Come on NOW! LOL
Or maybe when the snow melts.
Let's keep that in mind.
RT
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I think the FJ cruiser would make it today! HAHA
Definitely keep in touch, It would be awesome to see another build in person.
You are welcome to head out this way anytime to see my overwhelming amount of projects. lol
Happy shoveling ::thumbup
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Mike,
Yes, ground and polished. Typical hot or cold rolled bar just does not have the tolerances. It should come in a three foot length. You can get all of this stuff from Grainger or MSC as well. RT is right about the play turning excessive at the other end, but if you assemble it, tap it tight with a mallet, then clamp it down and weld it, you will have zero slop.
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Thanks 76mx. I appreciate the help. I will try and get this stuff ordered next week hopefully.
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Quite welcome.