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For Sale / Wanted => Cars & Projects For Sale => Topic started by: Payton34 on November 18, 2018, 01:33:57 AM
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I am looking for advice. Could you please provide your thoughts on the Red Diablo Roadster on eBay for $98,000? I’ve never seen a replica listed for that price & while I’m not willing to pay that I do think it looks incredibly good. I spoke to the owner & found out the following information...
1) The A/C doesn’t work...not sure about the heat. He claims that the A/c just needs to be filled with refrigerant, but it’s not working.
2) it’s a 4 speed & for $98k the thing should be as perfect to real as a replica can get.
3) the engine cover is glass & displays the LS1 with a Badge that says “LS1” right in it (which I personallly hate)
4) the wheels don’t have center caps (he claims to be looking for the last one).
5) even though the car looks awesome in the photos he says the paint is “good.” Far from perfect
6) can something be done about the crappy GM A/C / heater controls?
7) he says that the car has never been driven on the highway so he doesn’t know how it will ride.
8) it’s registered in Florida as a “made from parts car.” CPU,d this be successfully registered in Texas? I’ve searched like crazy & get conflicting information. Some data say it must be made by a real car manufacturer (or with a manufacturer certificate like factory five; some say if it’s registered in Florida it should be ok to register in Texas.
9) he claims that it’s insured by State Farm but has no idea what they would do if there was an accident. Apparently it’s not an agreed value policy. What could it be? Or more Importantly what options does a potential buyer have to insure it?
The car looks amazing in the photos to me. I think the price is nuts but am looking for some more experienced replica guys (you) to provide me with your option of the car/ value, etc. I have researched as much as possible but I’ve come to the conclusion that I really need expert advice (you advice).
Thanks very much. Sincerely.
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I would never pay exotic car prices for a replica. There is a $40k Diablo on eBay as well, which is still a little high. With replicas you could be buying a whole lot of problems. Having a good local mechanic check it out for you is always a good idea. There are also a lot of very good builders on this site who I am sure will chime in. Good luck.
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It's hard to give someone advice on purchasing a car like this. So much depends on the person's ability and willingness to pay. Personally, (and this is just my opinion), I would never pay $98k for a replica of any kind. Based on the pictures alone (which is risky) I would think the car would be worth something more in the range of $50-60k. And for that price I would expect everything to be in perfect working order. If the A/C only needs refrigerant, then tell him to put some in and prove it works. The 4-speed tranny is a definite deal breaker for me. But may not be for some others. And don't get me started on the seats and center console. Close, but no cigar. At least the seller isn't claiming that the car is a perfect replication. I'll give him kudos for that. And another thing, for a car priced like this it should not have an unfinished kit car looking front compartment. Not to mention a yellow frame! What were they thinking!! Bottom line, from the pictures it looks like a nice car (with some exceptions) but not worth anything close to the asking price. My opinion.
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You know what you can buy for $100K?
Two horses, Alpha Romeo 4C Spider, an SCT Telescope that shows you a mountain on Mars, a VIVE-Pro, and a trip to Fiji.
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If you are truly interested in an accurate running completed Diablo then Check this one out.
http://lamborghinireplica.com/ForSale/for%20sale%20Diablo%2060%20010617.htm (http://lamborghinireplica.com/ForSale/for%20sale%20Diablo%2060%20010617.htm)
I have it priced for less then half the red one and it's much MUCH more accurate. I am in the process of updating the interior and exterior
Interior Updates
- Center-console Panel with OEM and exact copy switches,
- Riceburner (exact copy of the AC controller) setup.
- More accurate Diablo 60 steering wheel
- Seats are awesome but getting them more accurate as 60 seats (updates like the knobs, more accurate head rest)
Exterior Updates
- Side marker lights with OEM lights
- 3rd Brake light housing with Carbon Fiber exact copy from OEM (ordered from MMBrazil)
- Fans in the engine bay (better cooling)
- Rear wing to be covered in CF
It's at a body shop now getting the side marker lights update,
Send me a PM here with your contact info and we can discuses further
This was IFG's SHOW car that won many awards.
CCIE
PS... I can also include the following items based on the asking price
- Additional Windshield
- Additional pair of door glass
- Additional pair of Quarter glass
- OEM Lamborghini Diablo 60 tail pipes
- OEM defroster vents
- OEM seat covers and steering wheel cover
- Bunch of other OEM parts that I bought for the car that I cant remember (Boxes)
- New set of Diablo badges.
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Here are some pic.
These 2 pic are from not too long ago when I got the Diablo towed to the body shop for the side marker lights update and few other items
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There you go (: and that's someone who built his car here and you can trust and is willing to help even after you have the car for way less than half the price.
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I’m with you 100%; I was just trying to prepare for him to eventually realize that the car is massively overpriced & get a little closer to reality. I completely agree on the yellow frame; it looks terrible ~ my only guess is that maybe at one time they were planning to paint it yellow, but it should be black either way. His reasoning for the price is that he has $125k in it, but I’m sure 100% of people that built these are gonna have way more in the build than they can sell it for. What about the registration issue? The four speed drives me crazy; I wish they would have at least built the gate so it looks like there are six slots. He is going to have to get the A/C working...I’ve had plenty of experience with people saying “all it needs is this or that” ok, well if it only needs to be charged then why isn’t it charged? You are asking the most ridiculous price on earth. The front bonnet looks like a crappy replica. It’s screaming replica with the shifter, yellow frame & advertisement that it’s an LS1. I wonder if a lambo cover could go on this engine & if the glass bonnet could be replaced. Also at that price I would expect the paint to be showroom. The fact that it hasn’t been driven on the highway is course for concern. Being 6’3” I do like that it’s built for taller people, but I assume these cars are already brutal to sell & this one would be signing up for a $40k loss. The interior isn’t bad, but the silver one you sent is definitely more accurate. Are there issues with these Porsche transmissions mated to a Chevy engine? Does anyone know which kit this one is? What do you realistically think it can sell for ? $60-$65k max? I imagine it being for sale a year from now at that price. I won’t even get into what you can buy for 6 digits, I will Say that it looks good in the photo’s but unfortunately it looks like it’s going to take a considerable amount of time before he realizes that he needs to drop the price $35,000 no matter how much he has in it. Where is the silver one located? Does anyone live in Texas & can tell me if it’s a problem registering these cars?
Thanks
It's hard to give someone advice on purchasing a car like this. So much depends on the person's ability and willingness to pay. Personally, (and this is just my opinion), I would never pay $98k for a replica of any kind. Based on the pictures alone (which is risky) I would think the car would be worth something more in the range of $50-60k. And for that price I would expect everything to be in perfect working order. If the A/C only needs refrigerant, then tell him to put some in and prove it works. The 4-speed tranny is a definite deal breaker for me. But may not be for some others. And don't get me started on the seats and center console. Close, but no cigar. At least the seller isn't claiming that the car is a perfect replication. I'll give him kudos for that. And another thing, for a car priced like this it should not have an unfinished kit car looking front compartment. Not to mention a yellow frame! What were they thinking!! Bottom line, from the pictures it looks like a nice car (with some exceptions) but not worth anything close to the asking price. My opinion.
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Payton, I do live in Texas and sell these cars worldwide, and can tell you with certainty that registration is no problem at all, so long as you understand the process. Most states have now adapted the SEMA Model Legislation for registering handbuilt cars, including Texas, which was one of the easier states even before this. Go to SEMA.org, click on the Government Affairs box of the ribbon across the top. That will give you a drop down, and toward the bottom of it is "Tag and Title Toolbox, a 50 State Guide". Click on that and it will walk you through the entire process.
And P.S., you asked for opinions, here is mine. Buy the car from CCIE which is a known quantity from a seller with history, and let the other guy keep dreaming. There are $100,000 replicas, that is NOT one of them. And if you need someone to bring it to Texas for you, I can contract that. I am taking a Countach to Connecticut after Thanksgiving and coming home with an empty trailer. For that matter, if anyone has anything headed East, I am coming home empty.
And another Edit, I thought something looked familiar to me and it has just registered. Walter Peyton #34 drove a racecar with me in several Formula Atlantic races. Can't say enough good about him and his entire family. Most people do not know that he had a life away from football and was an owner of Chicagoland Speedway.
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Yeah, he was searching for things to do once he retired. That’s cool that you met him.
Anyways, I talked to Ron Dolling from Canada today. He has a yellow diablo that he is selling that looks pretty good. Paint is a 7 out of 10, but it looks & sounds solid except the A/C needs to be hooked up. I know he has a solid reputation & has built some exceptional cars. I wish I was closer & am concerned about fitting it it (I’m 6’3”) but I’m looking into that. If anyone has seen the yellow car, please let me know. And thanks to all for your input. Ron spoke to the owner of the car in Miami too & also said he is adamant about not budging on the price $98-95k. I expect him to have the car a year from now. So I’m moving on from that one. I wonder if there is anything I can do to get more leg room. I’ll have to talk to Ron about that. Any other input on any of these topics would be appreciated. Thank you,
Payton, I do live in Texas and sell these cars worldwide, and can tell you with certainty that registration is no problem at all, so long as you understand the process. Most states have now adapted the SEMA Model Legislation for registering handbuilt cars, including Texas, which was one of the easier states even before this. Go to SEMA.org, click on the Government Affairs box of the ribbon across the top. That will give you a drop down, and toward the bottom of it is "Tag and Title Toolbox, a 50 State Guide". Click on that and it will walk you through the entire process.
And P.S., you asked for opinions, here is mine. Buy the car from CCIE which is a known quantity from a seller with history, and let the other guy keep dreaming. There are $100,000 replicas, that is NOT one of them. And if you need someone to bring it to Texas for you, I can contract that. I am taking a Countach to Connecticut after Thanksgiving and coming home with an empty trailer. For that matter, if anyone has anything headed East, I am coming home empty.
And another Edit, I thought something looked familiar to me and it has just registered. Walter Peyton #34 drove a racecar with me in several Formula Atlantic races. Can't say enough good about him and his entire family. Most people do not know that he had a life away from football and was an owner of Chicagoland Speedway.
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Also, the Sema link doesn’t work when you link on “titling & registration”
If it’s posted somewhere else please let me know,
Payton, I do live in Texas and sell these cars worldwide, and can tell you with certainty that registration is no problem at all, so long as you understand the process. Most states have now adapted the SEMA Model Legislation for registering handbuilt cars, including Texas, which was one of the easier states even before this. Go to SEMA.org, click on the Government Affairs box of the ribbon across the top. That will give you a drop down, and toward the bottom of it is "Tag and Title Toolbox, a 50 State Guide". Click on that and it will walk you through the entire process.
And P.S., you asked for opinions, here is mine. Buy the car from CCIE which is a known quantity from a seller with history, and let the other guy keep dreaming. There are $100,000 replicas, that is NOT one of them. And if you need someone to bring it to Texas for you, I can contract that. I am taking a Countach to Connecticut after Thanksgiving and coming home with an empty trailer. For that matter, if anyone has anything headed East, I am coming home empty.
And another Edit, I thought something looked familiar to me and it has just registered. Walter Peyton #34 drove a racecar with me in several Formula Atlantic races. Can't say enough good about him and his entire family. Most people do not know that he had a life away from football and was an owner of Chicagoland Speedway.
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Why did you get it “towed” to the body shop? It doesn’t drive? What interior & exterior updates are you in the process of doing? Where are you located? Please PM me your number & I’ll try to give you a ring. Thanks.
In the meantime for everyone else; if anyone knows Ron’s yellow car please let me know. I can get him to post picture most likely. Is car is $40,000 less. No, I’m not even slightly considering the $98k car; i wanted feedback thinking that the seller would realize that no one is going to pay anywhere close to that number but he isn’t budging. He’ll have the car forever at that price. I’m not even sure it will sell quickly if he takes $30k off. I spoke to Ron Dolling & he pointed some things out that I appreciate. I am a car guy, but I admittedly am a rookie on replicas despite following them for many years so thanks for your input. If anyone has information on registering the car in Texas it would be fantastic. Thanks again.
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Payton, I do live in Texas and sell these cars worldwide, and can tell you with certainty that registration is no problem at all, so long as you understand the process. Most states have now adapted the SEMA Model Legislation for registering handbuilt cars, including Texas, which was one of the easier states even before this. Go to SEMA.org, click on the Government Affairs box of the ribbon across the top. That will give you a drop down, and toward the bottom of it is "Tag and Title Toolbox, a 50 State Guide". Click on that and it will walk you through the entire process.
I visited the SEMA.org site but it seems like they have changed the web page. I clicked on the "50-State Guide to Titling & Registration Issues" but was sent to a "401 page not found". I then clicked on the "Replica Cars" and found their "Description" was: "A replica vehicle is a vehicle that resembles the body of another motor vehicle produced at least 25 years ago"
https://www.sema.org/government-affairs/landing?__utma=95790915.802278031.1542650952.1542651618.1542651618.1&__utmb=95790915.0.10.1542651618&__utmc=95790915&__utmx=-&__utmz=95790915.1542651618.1.1.utmcsr%3D%28direct%29%7Cutmccn%3D%28direct%29%7Cutmcmd%3D%28none%29&__utmv=-&__utmk=30568695 (https://www.sema.org/government-affairs/landing?__utma=95790915.802278031.1542650952.1542651618.1542651618.1&__utmb=95790915.0.10.1542651618&__utmc=95790915&__utmx=-&__utmz=95790915.1542651618.1.1.utmcsr%3D%28direct%29%7Cutmccn%3D%28direct%29%7Cutmcmd%3D%28none%29&__utmv=-&__utmk=30568695)
Not much help for my cause unless I claim that my 2001 Diablo resembles a 1993 Diablo. (that might just work) Maybe SEMA will update their website and correct their source code.
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Payton34, I sent you a PM. I have NAERC roadster replica on NAERC replica chassis I might sell.
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Why did you get it “towed” to the body shop? It doesn’t drive? What interior & exterior updates are you in the process of doing? Where are you located? Please PM me your number & I’ll try to give you a ring. Thanks.
In the meantime for everyone else; if anyone knows Ron’s yellow car please let me know. I can get him to post picture most likely. Is car is $40,000 less. No, I’m not even slightly considering the $98k car; i wanted feedback thinking that the seller would realize that no one is going to pay anywhere close to that number but he isn’t budging. He’ll have the car forever at that price. I’m not even sure it will sell quickly if he takes $30k off. I spoke to Ron Dolling & he pointed some things out that I appreciate. I am a car guy, but I admittedly am a rookie on replicas despite following them for many years so thanks for your input. If anyone has information on registering the car in Texas it would be fantastic. Thanks again.
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The Diablo runs fine with minor issues. I do not have tags for the car because it sat in my where-house for the past year. It was easier to just get it towed then to go through the hassle of siting at a DMV for 4 hours to get tags and since I am selling it I would rather burn the $65 and get more pleasure then to be forced to hand it over to DMV in another form of taxation (this again this is a whole different conversation).
If you are serious I would prefer that you see the Diablo in person. The car is already titled and registered so title transfer and getting tags should not be an issue. The Diablo also has CATS so getting it registered and tagged in Cali should not be an issue (But you will have to check with your local state for any additional requirements)
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I know Ron very well and lived 3 blocks from him, his cars are hands down second to none for quality, I have seen several of his cars and words fall short, I can say that.
From the interiors which are incredibly accurate to the body and engine compartment, if you can get your hands on one of his builds for what I would consider a deep discount if he is saying $40k less than the eBay special... that lightning won’t strike twice anytime soon as he usually only builds one car a year if he is even still on that production schedule
There are a few people on here that also know Ron and his work, his work is flawless.
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Just to let everyone know Ron did not build this car. The car was sitting for over 5 years and he got it running again and did some finishing touches. The car was already painted with most of the interior already done when he got a hold of it.
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I’m starting to realize after a bunch of conversations & feedback here that it’s going to be extremely difficult to find a diablo that I fit in. 6’3”. That is one of the supposed benefits on the $98k car, it that deal just isn’t going to happen. Charley Strickland is building an amazing looking car called the Chubacabra that is very intriguing. I may have to wait for that unless one of the cars being offered will actually fit me. I was told that it’s impossible for any of the cars to fit someone of my size, but then I’ve heard otherwise. If you send me information on your car: please let me know where you are located, your height & if you think I could drive the car comfortably. I’m ready to pull the trigger on the right car. Thanks again.
Just to let everyone know Ron did not build this car. The car was sitting for over 5 years and he got it running again and did some finishing touches. The car was already painted with most of the interior already done when he got a hold of it.
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I dont know if youve ever seen any of Charley Stricklands work but if you have.. your decision as to where and what to buy should already be made ::beers hands down some of the best work out there.
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I am 6 foot and my son is 6.4 and we both fit fine in my Diablo (Well my son does have to bend a bit but not uncomfortable)
Looks like you want to buy the Red $98,000 car. Just do it and be happy. It's all about what you want, if you have the money then just buy it.
Just my humble opinion.... I would never spend that kind of money to buy a replica because no matter what the seller says you will still wind up putting a ton of money to make it how you want it. I have had 6 replicas through the years and its always the same. no matter what the seller says once you get it you will find you need to update this or update that.... If it was me with that kind of discretionary money, I would buy a decent Gallardo and still have some cash left over, I would also have an option for Murci with just a bit more cash and little time hunting, If you keep an eye out with that kind of discretionary cash you have many options.... CRAPLICA wouldn't even be an option on my list... Than again that's just me...
Anyway Good luck
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I dont know if youve ever seen any of Charley Stricklands work but if you have your decision as to where and what to buy should already be made ::beers hands down some of the best work out there.
Just to point out few facts.....Charley's New Chopacandra is a custom built car and not a replica.Its one beautiful car.... It would defenetelly be on my list right next to a Murci
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There is a zero % chance that I’m buying the $98k car. I am trying to find the most solidly built car that I fit in. My height seems to take a bunch of cars out of contention but it sounds like there are some that would work. I’m currently just looking into the cars that are for sale & narrowing the list. Thanks
I am 6 foot and my son is 6.4 and we both fit fine in my Diablo (Well my son does have to bend a bit but not uncomfortable)
Looks like you want to buy the Red $98,000 car. Just do it and be happy. It's all about what you want, if you have the money then just buy it.
Just my humble opinion.... I would never spend that kind of money to buy a replica because no matter what the seller says you will still wind up putting a ton of money to make it how you want it. I have had 6 replicas through the years and its always the same. no matter what the seller says once you get it you will find you need to update this or update that.... If it was me with that kind of discretionary money, I would buy a decent Gallardo and still have some cash left over, I would also have an option for Murci with just a bit more cash and little time hunting, If you keep an eye out with that kind of discretionary cash you have many options.... CRAPLICA wouldn't even be an option on my list... Than again that's just me...
Anyway Good luck
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The red car is over priced by atleast 70k if not more. The body is a very early body. Those bodies were hand made not molded of a car. So they are waaay off. Just look at the front, the headlights are way to far inwards towards the middle of the car. Look at how the hood becomes narrower in the front. On a real Diablo the hood is almost square, or atleast only a little narrower in front. The current owner might have a lot of money in the car. But if you are buying a replica you actually want it to look like a real Diablo.
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I’m starting to realize after a bunch of conversations & feedback here that it’s going to be extremely difficult to find a diablo that I fit in. 6’3”. That is one of the supposed benefits on the $98k car, it that deal just isn’t going to happen. Charley Strickland is building an amazing looking car called the Chubacabra that is very intriguing. I may have to wait for that unless one of the cars being offered will actually fit me. I was told that it’s impossible for any of the cars to fit someone of my size, but then I’ve heard otherwise. If you send me information on your car: please let me know where you are located, your height & if you think I could drive the car comfortably. I’m ready to pull the trigger on the right car. Thanks again.
Just to let everyone know Ron did not build this car. The car was sitting for over 5 years and he got it running again and did some finishing touches. The car was already painted with most of the interior already done when he got a hold of it.
Charlie, can chime in, but I dont think that you would have a problem fitting in his car. I am 6' 1" 270 and I had room to spare
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The car is worth more than $28k, but that one is out of contention. I’ve learned a lot recently. I was told by quite a few people that my height may take me completely out of contention for a Diablo. I hope that isn’t the case, b/c I’m serious about buying one so the search continues. I really want one that is finished & very very good. I know that I’ll consistently have things that need attention, but I want to buy the best one possible. It’s. Amazing how little these cars are driven. I don’t know if it’s a combination of fear (for something happening to it), uncomfrtability or something else. Please direct me to any diablos that meet this criteria. I’ve check out each one that’s available (a few of them I got PM’s from people other than the seller telling me the scoop so thanks for that). I have a great deal of respect for you guys that have exerted so much effort to make these come to life.
The red car is over priced by atleast 70k if not more. The body is a very early body. Those bodies were hand made not molded of a car. So they are waaay off. Just look at the front, the headlights are way to far inwards towards the middle of the car. Look at how the hood becomes narrower in the front. On a real Diablo the hood is almost square, or atleast only a little narrower in front. The current owner might have a lot of money in the car. But if you are buying a replica you actually want it to look like a real Diablo.
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Check if this one is still for sale, it was a couple of months ago.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a22474136/2001-lamborghini-diablo-replica-for-sale/ (https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a22474136/2001-lamborghini-diablo-replica-for-sale/)
It's almost perfect, and much cheaper than the red one.
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It’s laughable anyone would price a replica well over 70k even Dales Diablo which is FAR better than this one didn’t cost as much. Let it sit on the market , nobody is going to spend that kind of money for an IFG body Diablo even with an LS motor. Eventually the seller will figure it out that there’s cheaper and better options than what he’s selling for the money and will drop it. I honestly wouldn’t pay no more than $35,000 for it. And that’s really pushing it that he fixes the known issues like the AC not working and the lack of an engine cover.
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Just to let everyone know Ron did not build this car. The car was sitting for over 5 years and he got it running again and did some finishing touches. The car was already painted with most of the interior already done when he got a hold of it.
Would you know if Charlie Strickland has any Diablo Roadsters for sale?
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98K lol....
So I am not sure where the market is going with replica cars. I have an awesome IFG factory build/finished car (and this car was IFG's show car that won many many awards and inspired soo many of us to build a Diablo replica) that is amazing replica but haven't been able to sell it. Someone bought it for $40K on ebay last time and now having problems getting the finance in place.
But BUT but here is a kicker... someone who prefers a Roadster offered me $25K for my car with all the extra parts including a full set of glass and all the OEM parts that I have collected over the years that exceed over $25K alone (Ya I know crazy RIGHT!!!) I think his interest was Roadster too but wanted to "help me by taking my car off of my hand" ..LOL...
Anyway IF I can't even move my car for $40k which I feel is far far better replica then the Roadster is then why would anyone want to pay $98k for the red one. again just my humble opinion...
For every completed replica there are literally 1000's of tire kickers wanna bees out there... so true buyers and sellers be aware.
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I've personally seen and been given a ride in the red one in Miami that the guy wants $98,000 for. He originally wanted $115,000 for it when I looked at it. It's a beautiful car, but I totally agree, way overpriced even at $98,000.
I have a nice coupe for sale right now myself, but I desperately want a roadster.