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The Forum => Lessons Learned - Advice to Newbies => Topic started by: Graham on October 06, 2014, 03:19:48 PM
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Members,
Please I need some advice on how not to be ripped off either by sending money or not getting what you pay for.
I now live in Peru S.A and are now in the position to buy a replica Lamborghini either a diablo or countach.
Can any member recommend a honest builder who will not rip me off by just keeping the money or not sending what I have paid for either in speck or build quality or maybe a private seller?
Luckily I read members remarks about Rob Reed just before I sent me money.
I hope members can help me?
Graham
Peru
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Are you looking for a project car to complete yourself or a turnkey solution? Fatboyslim on this forum has one of the nicest Diablo bodies ever made for sale right now: http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=2599 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=2599) I recommend you talk to him.
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thanks for referring me guys ::beers, i will be happy to help.. my bodies will be finished and ready in about 6 weeks if you can wait they will include windshield, door glass and crating for $6500. my bodies have 6oz of hand laid matting and minimal bodywork required. the body's avail are the G28 roadster (top gun), the G28 coupe ( triangle G). your welcome/urged to come see in person but if you cant no worries, theres no deposit, you pay only after the crate has been loaded on the truck ::thumbup.
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Wow, what a great deal!
No more Diablo then?
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Im Looking for a compleated car that can be shipped, at my expense of course, to Peru
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Hi Pines ::wave, thanks brother i am holding off on the diablo vt for the moment, because im not sure if ron dollings is the creator of the same body i have. If it is i dont want to do that to him out of respect since hes still in business, the other body's are from companies that were great but long gone. i will find out very soon, the diablo body i have is truly remarkable and one of the last of its kind. will be a shame not to be able to share it.
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Ah, so it may not be a NAERC after all or was Ron involved with NAERC somehow. I don't know the history there. I thought the NAERC bodies were OEM splashes.
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Thats a good point pines, from what i remember ron telling me he was involved in naerc and created that body. I hope i have my facts straight, but im told by several people this body is extremely rare and accurate. When you look at it up close it loks very well made. And very accurate. I do know ron said he can get the glass for it if needed.
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Graham,
I have a Countach for sale. It is ready for paint and then final body mounting. It is a brand new tubeframe car with the best of everything. It comes with an ISO Certified International VIN and MSO and is ready to export to Peru. The way not to get ripped off is to get on an airplane and come see if it and myself are legit.
Charley Strickland
Strickland Racing Inc.
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Charley,
Can you tell me more about the car you have for sale and the price please
Graham
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Graham,
The car is brand new, zero miles, and is built with all new components, most of which come with a warranty and I have all of that paperwork. It is a tubeframe chassis with unequal a-arm front and rear. All of the geometry is proper and all of the computer suspension analysis is also provided. All of the suspension components are powdercoated. It has Wilwood brakes and Afco polished aluminum double adjustable coil overs, Centerline wheels made for me and Yokahama tires. It has an aluminum four core dual pass radiator and a mounted full size spare tire. The stereo is top of the line Alpine with amp and woofer, and satellite nav. The engine is a 450HP aluminum small block with a 300,000 mile factory warranty, the dyno sheets are also included. Transaxle is Porsche/Audi 01X. The interior is carbon fiber and alligator which is tanned to a color called peanut brittle. It has heat and air conditioning and push button start and keyfob door opening. I want $60,000 the way it sets or $80,000 finished.
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Hi Charley,
I think $80.000 is a bit high, by the time I pay for shipping, brokers fee and import tax the cost goes way over $100.000 and for that price I could probably get a real one. I know that would come at a higher running costs, but I think a better resale value then for a copý. However I couldn't really afford a real one, and there isn't nobody over here who could do the servicing. .
I can get a almost new new diablo with a 500 hp 190 mph BMW V12 with a 6 speed gearbox, which I would prefer with 200 miles on the clock for the same price as your unfinished price and that is without making him an offer.At least there are BMW dealers here that could keep the engine serviced.
The problem is again trusting the person that the spec and build is what they say it is. Maybe its a bit of "I got his money and he's over there and I'm here" attitude?
What do you think the performance figures will be for you car and are you open to offers and can you post some pictures?
Graham - Peru
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Nice Charley! Do you have any detailed pics of the build? I'd be interested in seeing how you put her together!
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I'd love to see more detailed pics of this car. It sounds very nice!
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More to come.
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Not sure why I can only do these one at a time.
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One more.
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Finally, I have been trying to get you some more pics for two days. BP and670, thank you for your compliments. I usually do not like to publish pics, especially when it is a contracted build, but this one is not so here are a few.
Graham, I agree that this is top price and approaching the price of a real one, but the maintenance is not $6 per mile which I understand is industry standard for the real one. I think you are comparing apples and oranges but consider something. I believe your budget will be the same with a $60,000 car that must be certified as with an $80,000 car that already is, and the second car gets more money spent on the components of the actual car.
I would never be opposed to listening to an offer but realize that I am not a motivated seller and I do not mind it staying around. Also, it would be unprofessional of me to say what a customer paid for a car but the sister car to this (in one of the pics) was over $110,000 so I think my price fair and justified.
Best regards either way but I still suggest either way to include a $2,000 airline ticket in your budget.
Charley
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Chassis pics. My laptop let me do three pics.
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Graham, to answer your question about performance, it is best to look at the power to weight rate, which will usually tell all that is needed regarding performance. This car's rate is right at 4.5 and by contrast a LP5000 was 8.8. My racecar is 3600 pounds and 800+ horsepower giving 4.5, but it has enough tire and downforce to make that work. Generally, anything over 400HP is wasted on the street, there is just not enough tire and friction coefficient and downforce to make it work.
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76mx that is a top quality replica
I don't think I've ever seen a replica sell for that much money though , ESP an unfinished one . I wish you best of luck
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too bad the pots on lights are wrong and wiper, first look of KIT. but very nice work !
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Hi 76mx,
Thanks for your reply
Do I understand by your post that the car with the V12 and 500 hp may not perform on the street very well or do the same top speed or 0-60 as your car?
Also you suggest that if I was spending over $100.000 the best buy would be a replica car over the real thing why? I agree the servicing costs would be much lower, but how about when I try and resell it? Im sure I would lose money, compared to a real one that will go up invalue over the years.
The V12 car that has been offered to me is certificated to be used on the street. The cost is $60.000 with A/C, back up camera power steering and brakes, and is open to a close offer. Also I don't like the alligator seats in your car could they be changed?
Would you be interested in building a new car, by what other member are saying that you build a good car, for me with what I would like to see in it? I presume the price would be around the $60-$70.000 mark? Im looking for a trust worthy person to build me car both in not ripping me off or shoddy workmanship. And don't want to add 1000's of dollars to the bill in "keeping an eye" on the progress of the build.
your reply please.
Graham R
P.s Can you send me your e-mail so that we do not have to use the forum in communicating?
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Graham,
It is entirely possible and often happens that horsepower exceeds the weight x surface area x friction coefficient formula.
I do not suggest a replica over an original, that is a decision that you alone must make. I am saying that if the overall economics are a consideration, resale alone is not the full picture. I offer the following for consideration, not as a suggestion. Say you bought a used Diablo for $80,000 and drove it 10,000 miles over the next several years. Maintenance would run $60,000 making your total expense $140,000. And you are right, the only Lambo maintenance in South America is on the other side of the continent in Brazil. Now you sell the car, and giving you every benefit of the doubt, you get the full $80,000 original price. Your total overhead in the car would be $60,000. Now say you bought a new replica for $80,000 and drove it the same 10,000 miles, with a whopping $1,000 in maintenance for oil changes and a hose and/or belt or two. You have a total of $81,000 and again giving you every benefit of the doubt say the car lost half of it's value and you had to sell it for $40,000. Your total overhead in this car is $41,000 as opposed to $60,000.
They should all be certified for the street. When I talk about certification, I mean for the country.
I am interested in building you a car, and you have nailed the price at 60-70 for a car that we both would be proud of. I will PM you with further contact info.
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Charley,
Still awaiting a reply to my e-mails that I sent to your e-mail address.
Thanks
Graham
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Graham,
I have just resent a long email answering your questions today at 4PM CST. There was no failure notice either time, let me know if you get it.
Charley