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Title: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: mhotmarkx1 on November 30, 2015, 03:22:32 AM
Just a heads up regarding the 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay.
As I researched this build, I found out some interesting details. First, this car was built for GTA Exotic Rental Company in Toronto. It was built and issued a VIN and registered. GTA misrepresented its customers (claiming they were renting a real Lambo) and abused and used the car daily only on their racetrack. Look at the seats all torn from excess customer use. In fact, it had to have the transmission redone due to the hard driving of the rental customers.
Second, the speedometer was an issue from the start, a huge signal generator at the transmission kept constantly falling off, so how the current mileage is accurate with a broken speedo, also confuses me. 
Then miraculously it was sold to a car dealer in Texas without any receipts, the VIN was somehow removed, and it had no registration or title. Why a dealer would even purchase such a mess, I have yet to figure out. If anyone knows the licensing/registration issues, a dealer would. In addition, I heard through the grapevine, that it may have been written off as stolen.
So, I emailed the rental company to ask about details of the car, if they had the receipts and build proof and their response was “If the car has no VIN or title how did you get to contacting me”. Stewart Wilson, Manager, GTA EXOTICS.
I found this response very defensive, cover up like and suspicious. I have yet to respond.
Either way, now the car is in Texas at NCAE Motors and the dealer has it for sale. He has used his dealer plates and also has never registered it. I asked him about the terms of the purchase from GTA and he confirmed “Yes, your info is correct. I never received any vin info and I don t think the vin would be allowed transferred to the USA so I was going to act like it was a new build and assign it a USA vin”. Although he never has!!! Again, he claims he got it with 16,000 miles and it now has 22,000 and a broken speedo. That does not add up to me!!!
He also claims “I run a business full time, I wish I had more time...but if I did I would keep and enjoy the car more. I don t have anytime. That’s why I’m selling the car for a great price and taking a loss. Thx. Funny considering his website only lists 7 cars he has for sale.
I checked with 5 different state DMVs and they all require extensive receipts and build info to consider issuing a VIN and allowing the car to be street legal. In fact, if somebody buys this car, they will need to prove that no stolen parts have been used. Who knows what will surface from Canada on this topic???
In short, beware of this car. It is a shame that it was built by such a professional and then seriously abused and tarnished by the owners thereafter.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: rodrieguz on November 30, 2015, 05:45:21 AM
Very thoroughly researched Mark, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: mhotmarkx1 on November 30, 2015, 06:17:31 AM
Not exactly the outcome i was looking for, but better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: mhotmarkx1 on November 30, 2015, 08:15:35 AM
In addition, this post is in no way derogatory to Jim Dinner. He is legit and all the parts he purchased for that car were purchased legally. It sucks that his expertise and name got involved in this mess.
I still have the greatest respect for Jim and all he provides to the kit building community.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: 76mx on November 30, 2015, 10:51:18 AM
I am confused as well. This is a no reserve auction and yet the starting bid is $54,000. How do I bid $100?
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Rob James on November 30, 2015, 09:28:24 PM
How do I bid $100?
This had me rolling off my chair, quite literally! Thanks for the chuckle, I really needed that right now. Thank you again!

Rob,  ::beers
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: 76mx on November 30, 2015, 09:42:06 PM
Why are you laughing? I was serious.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Tusabes on November 30, 2015, 10:27:38 PM
Someone can get that selling dealer in big trouble with the state dmv if they have proof this car was illegally imported into the USA without a vin

They might even take the car from him
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Rob James on November 30, 2015, 10:51:34 PM
Sorry Charley, I was taking you quite literally..........in that you were offering $100.00. I thought that was quite comical, ie: it's what you thought it was worth. But I take Tusabes point to heart, it could be a real mess for the owner, or future owners, given it's current state of legal limbo.

Rob,  ::beers

Still it did make me smile and turned my thoughts from day to day tribulations. So again I thank, you for bringing a smile to my face.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: 76mx on November 30, 2015, 10:55:34 PM
Nobody knows when I am joking with such a dry sense of humor. I meant for being serious to be funny too.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: RUNDLC on December 01, 2015, 11:53:04 AM
Isnt this the car that our friend Jim Dinner built? Didn't he post all the build pics showing what he used to build the car? I doubt very seriously that any stolen parts would have been used. Couldn't the prospective buyer contact Jim and get a build sheet of everything he put into the build?
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: 01Lambiero on December 01, 2015, 12:02:59 PM
"car was illegally imported into the USA without a vin"?  Without a VIN or Title, is it not a car but a pile of auto parts?  The DMV does not want to make trouble for anyone as THEY ONLY WANT MORE MONEY.   (Not the same but) I purchased a Texas built car hauler from a man in Michigan who was selling it for his son who had just moved to MI from OK.  It did not have a title.  I had to get it weighed for the DMV.  Without a title, the weight slip description was that the trailer was "Constructed".  The DMV wanted me to show all of my invoices to prove that the taxes had been paid for the steel.  I told them that the ID plate had been painted over and the serial number could not be found.  I had to show my bill of sale and after arguing with them, I finally asked them "What am I going to have to do to get a license plate for my trailer?"  They disappeared around the corner and came back and told me $187 please. ;-) 
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: minihawn on December 01, 2015, 12:39:31 PM
"car was illegally imported into the USA without a vin"?  Without a VIN or Title, is it not a car but a pile of auto parts?  The DMV does not want to make trouble for anyone as THEY ONLY WANT MORE MONEY.   (Not the same but) I purchased a Texas built car hauler from a man in Michigan who was selling it for his son who had just moved to MI from OK.  It did not have a title.  I had to get it weighed for the DMV.  Without a title, the weight slip description was that the trailer was "Constructed".  The DMV wanted me to show all of my invoices to prove that the taxes had been paid for the steel.  I told them that the ID plate had been painted over and the serial number could not be found.  I had to show my bill of sale and after arguing with them, I finally asked them "What am I going to have to do to get a license plate for my trailer?"  They disappeared around the corner and came back and told me $187 please. ;-)

lol
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: mhotmarkx1 on December 01, 2015, 12:51:57 PM
I checked with Georgia DMV today. So without a certificate of origin or receipts I need 2 Lamborghini dealerships to do appraisals. Take the highest appraisal and times it by 2. That number is the total bond I must purchase. So if they say 50k then 100k is my bond. At 1 to 5 % of 100k, that's $1000 and $5000, and numerous paperwork and $118.00. I also have to have an inspector be dispatched to verify there is no vin. The in 2 to 3 months another inspector will be dispatched to inspect the car for road worthiness. Once all this is done, I mail all paperwork in and in 4 to 6 weeks I receive a vin tag. I must then attach to the car and set up another inspection to verify and submit a new form that the vin is indeed attached. Then in 2 to 3 weeks I will receive the title and off to registration process I go. All the time, if there are any hiccups, I have already purchased the car and if It fails, now I have a nice garage ornament. Not to mention, finding 2 Lambo dealerships within close distance and if they even will do an appraisal. In conclusion for all kit car enthusiasts, make sure all build documents and certificates and paperwork are sold with a car when you but it...otherwise....huge pain and the car is not worth what the price paid was.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: eddie on December 01, 2015, 01:23:12 PM
Why would they need a Lamborghini appraisal when it's not a Lamborghini? It should have custom car appraisal . Lamborghini will take the car since it's not alowed to resale copy. You can build anything you want as long as it is for your self not for making money out of it.
20 people 20 different answers .
Buy real one ,you'll be better of
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Havemurci on December 01, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
I have no dog in this fight but I' sure the person you talked to at GA DMV does not understand the situation or the car. This is going to take the buyer to understand what needs to be done and be savvy and knowledgeable enough to work through it. For instance here in PA if the car is a bunch of parts car like most kits, then you have a choice how to proceed, if you say it's a kit,or "Special Construction" they want a Statement of Origin. Most kits I have purchased are 2nd,3rd or 5th hand and that paperwork is long gone so I apply for "Modified Vehicle" no Cetrificate nessasary.
You may have called it a Lambo when you spoke to the clerk and that's all they know to tell you. Try to explain to them what the actual vehicle is.
Everyone here knows that car is worth a little hassle, few are that well built. Tell the owner about the struggle and work a deal on price because of it, but you will have to bone up on DMV criteria on your own so you know how to navigate this. Or buy real like Eddie said. My .02.
Good luck. 
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: lambobuilder on December 01, 2015, 04:51:56 PM
Jim's Diablo was sold to a gentleman in Dallas.  I believe it was registered in Texas. If so the title should be transferable to another state.  I road in the car when it was in Dallas but will try to see if I can find pictures with plates.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: jdinner on December 01, 2015, 07:32:29 PM
I built the car with purchased parts. I ordered each item and the person that commissioned the build paid all the bills. What is very curious to me is why it was sold without a VIN number.  I just reported this to Metro Toronto Police.
I took the car to a frame testing place to get it measured and registered as a rebuilt Lamborghini. I still have the VIN recorded and gave it MTP.  Let's see where this goes. 
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: notnilc20 on December 01, 2015, 08:22:38 PM
So the plot thickens......
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Tusabes on December 02, 2015, 12:29:14 AM
It was sold without a vin to hide the fact it was already paid off by an insurance company as stolen , and illegally imported to the USA

So the new USA buyer could act like they built it here in the USA and get a new vin


Very Unlikely Toronto would do anythjng as the car is in the USA now , the best course of action is reporting it where it us currently located , along with maybe the USA dot/EPA
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Tusabes on December 02, 2015, 12:36:35 AM
I checked with Georgia DMV today. So without a certificate of origin or receipts I need 2 Lamborghini dealerships to do appraisals. Take the highest appraisal and times it by 2. That number is the total bond I must purchase. So if they say 50k then 100k is my bond. At 1 to 5 % of 100k, that's $1000 and $5000, and numerous paperwork and $118.00. I also have to have an inspector be dispatched to verify there is no vin. The in 2 to 3 months another inspector will be dispatched to inspect the car for road worthiness. Once all this is done, I mail all paperwork in and in 4 to 6 weeks I receive a vin tag. I must then attach to the car and set up another inspection to verify and submit a new form that the vin is indeed attached. Then in 2 to 3 weeks I will receive the title and off to registration process I go. All the time, if there are any hiccups, I have already purchased the car and if It fails, now I have a nice garage ornament. Not to mention, finding 2 Lambo dealerships within close distance and if they even will do an appraisal. In conclusion for all kit car enthusiasts, make sure all build documents and certificates and paperwork are sold with a car when you but it...otherwise....huge pain and the car is not worth what the price paid was.

So did you buy this car?

Its not hard at all to get a kit car registered, the people you spoke to are morons or you didnt explain the situation clearly . A lambo dealership cannot and will not appraise a fake , unless you're talking about a trade in appraisal . Sure theyll offer you $5000 as a trade on a real lambo

But that is completely separate from the missing vin issue . If this car was brought over the border without following the proper EPA /dot procedure and the govt finds out, not only will you Not be able to keep it in your garage , they'll seize it

And if an insurance company paid out for this car as a stolen car , its now their car and they can seize it too!
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: faker on December 02, 2015, 04:01:26 PM
I will probably get booted off here for this but im tired of holding back. 1 i been on this for a little while now, my best friend built a lp640 coupe completely from the ground up, and yes do to the fact he did have the knawladge and skill it cost him a boat load less. but first i want to say you have alot of great great builders on here so this is not knocking your work.

number 1, im tired of seeing replicas for 95k and 55k, a set of door hinges my friend could replicate in 45 minutes going for 400 bucks when the price to build a good set it like 60 maybe 100 and please don't bother to argue this with me i know, i promise.

small fiberglass parts going for 800 or 900 i actually had a guy quote me like 1300 bucjs for a set of replica tail lights, give me a break i can buy a actual set of lp640 lights for that.
You cant expect to get 60 or 70k or 95k for a replica, sorry but if your buying into that you have built your self up way way too much, yup its a shocker right lol seriously guys come on get real.

you can almost buy a used one for that price, and if i dont't get banned for this post, im.gonna start exposing people when i see people post a replica at that price.

let me give you an example, i buy a lets just say a Audi and i fix it up swap a new motor etc, its old though, has some miles but even though i dropped 10k in it, im not getting anymore than blue book.

im sick at the fact people are doing this, and just saying, you might as well kick me off now. ok so i spoke my mind, now im gone.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: minihawn on December 02, 2015, 05:43:30 PM
I will probably get booted off here for this but im tired of holding back. 1 i been on this for a little while now, my best friend built a lp640 coupe completely from the ground up, and yes do to the fact he did have the knawladge and skill it cost him a boat load less. but first i want to say you have alot of great great builders on here so this is not knocking your work.

number 1, im tired of seeing replicas for 95k and 55k, a set of door hinges my friend could replicate in 45 minutes going for 400 bucks when the price to build a good set it like 60 maybe 100 and please don't bother to argue this with me i know, i promise.

small fiberglass parts going for 800 or 900 i actually had a guy quote me like 1300 bucjs for a set of replica tail lights, give me a break i can buy a actual set of lp640 lights for that.
You cant expect to get 60 or 70k or 95k for a replica, sorry but if your buying into that you have built your self up way way too much, yup its a shocker right lol seriously guys come on get real.

you can almost buy a used one for that price, and if i dont't get banned for this post, im.gonna start exposing people when i see people post a replica at that price.

let me give you an example, i buy a lets just say a Audi and i fix it up swap a new motor etc, its old though, has some miles but even though i dropped 10k in it, im not getting anymore than blue book.

im sick at the fact people are doing this, and just saying, you might as well kick me off now. ok so i spoke my mind, now im gone.

Aman... :notworthy lol
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: notnilc20 on December 02, 2015, 06:21:23 PM
I will probably get booted off here for this but im tired of holding back. 1 i been on this for a little while now, my best friend built a lp640 coupe completely from the ground up, and yes do to the fact he did have the knawladge and skill it cost him a boat load less. but first i want to say you have alot of great great builders on here so this is not knocking your work.

number 1, im tired of seeing replicas for 95k and 55k, a set of door hinges my friend could replicate in 45 minutes going for 400 bucks when the price to build a good set it like 60 maybe 100 and please don't bother to argue this with me i know, i promise.

small fiberglass parts going for 800 or 900 i actually had a guy quote me like 1300 bucjs for a set of replica tail lights, give me a break i can buy a actual set of lp640 lights for that.
You cant expect to get 60 or 70k or 95k for a replica, sorry but if your buying into that you have built your self up way way too much, yup its a shocker right lol seriously guys come on get real.

you can almost buy a used one for that price, and if i dont't get banned for this post, im.gonna start exposing people when i see people post a replica at that price.

let me give you an example, i buy a lets just say a Audi and i fix it up swap a new motor etc, its old though, has some miles but even though i dropped 10k in it, im not getting anymore than blue book.

im sick at the fact people are doing this, and just saying, you might as well kick me off now. ok so i spoke my mind, now im gone.


There is no blue book for these cars. A well done build is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If someone puts years and years and thousands of dollars into one build then naturally they will price it accordingly. If then someone buys it, what difference does it make to you? You don't have to buy it.  Your Audi engine swap example is not even remotely relevant. Also, if you can find good condition oem lamborghini LP640 tail lights for $1,300 a set, then i've got some ocean front property in Nebraska i'll sell you really cheap. 
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: rodrieguz on December 02, 2015, 07:15:17 PM
You get all these fly by night guys with opinions that doesn't really matter.  What matters is what someone is willing to pay and if they believe they are truly getting a good deal then so be it.  Now a few years back a real Diablo could've been had for around 65-70k....them days are long gone and if you do find a lambo that cheap be prepared to spend big on up keep and actually enjoying the car. 
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: lambo_sam on December 02, 2015, 07:25:49 PM
Also, if you can find good condition oem lamborghini LP640 tail lights for $1,300 a set, then i've got some ocean front property in Nebraska i'll sell you really cheap. 


Not a set but here is one for $1850 obo
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAMBORGHINI-MURCIELAGO-LP640-REAR-DRIVER-TAIL-LIGHT-BRAND-NEW-OEM-410945095D-/261229323909?hash=item3cd27b2685:g:46cAAMXQTT9Rt4UY&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAMBORGHINI-MURCIELAGO-LP640-REAR-DRIVER-TAIL-LIGHT-BRAND-NEW-OEM-410945095D-/261229323909?hash=item3cd27b2685:g:46cAAMXQTT9Rt4UY&vxp=mtr)

And regular murcie left and right for $600 ea
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LP620-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Tail-Light-Left-Driver-Side-/252143915653?hash=item3ab4f2d285:g:hA4AAOSwhcJWLzOD&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LP620-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Tail-Light-Left-Driver-Side-/252143915653?hash=item3ab4f2d285:g:hA4AAOSwhcJWLzOD&vxp=mtr)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LP620-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Tail-Light-Right-Passenger-Side-/252143918680?hash=item3ab4f2de58:g:R2EAAOSw5VFWLzX1&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LP620-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Tail-Light-Right-Passenger-Side-/252143918680?hash=item3ab4f2de58:g:R2EAAOSw5VFWLzX1&vxp=mtr)

So anything is possible...lol
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Tusabes on December 02, 2015, 07:47:35 PM
You get all these fly by night guys with opinions that doesn't really matter.  What matters is what someone is willing to pay and if they believe they are truly getting a good deal then so be it.  Now a few years back a real Diablo could've been had for around 65-70k....them days are long gone and if you do find a lambo that cheap be prepared to spend big on up keep and actually enjoying the car. 

I think a lot of people haven't researched what's happened to lambo prices in the past few years . Real Diablo were selling at $65-70k, now today they are $300-350k.  You just can't get a real one anymore for anything near the cost of a replica
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: minihawn on December 02, 2015, 07:51:44 PM
Also, if you can find good condition oem lamborghini LP640 tail lights for $1,300 a set, then i've got some ocean front property in Nebraska i'll sell you really cheap. 


Not a set but here is one for $1850 obo
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAMBORGHINI-MURCIELAGO-LP640-REAR-DRIVER-TAIL-LIGHT-BRAND-NEW-OEM-410945095D-/261229323909?hash=item3cd27b2685:g:46cAAMXQTT9Rt4UY&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAMBORGHINI-MURCIELAGO-LP640-REAR-DRIVER-TAIL-LIGHT-BRAND-NEW-OEM-410945095D-/261229323909?hash=item3cd27b2685:g:46cAAMXQTT9Rt4UY&vxp=mtr[/url])

And regular murcie left and right for $600 ea
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/LP620-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Tail-Light-Left-Driver-Side-/252143915653?hash=item3ab4f2d285:g:hA4AAOSwhcJWLzOD&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/LP620-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Tail-Light-Left-Driver-Side-/252143915653?hash=item3ab4f2d285:g:hA4AAOSwhcJWLzOD&vxp=mtr[/url])

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/LP620-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Tail-Light-Right-Passenger-Side-/252143918680?hash=item3ab4f2de58:g:R2EAAOSw5VFWLzX1&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/LP620-Lamborghini-Murcielago-Tail-Light-Right-Passenger-Side-/252143918680?hash=item3ab4f2de58:g:R2EAAOSw5VFWLzX1&vxp=mtr[/url])

So anything is possible...lol


notnilc20:

How about  that ocean front property? Lmbo  :'(
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: notnilc20 on December 02, 2015, 07:59:43 PM
I got some fine ocean front in Nebraska but only As soon as i see a new oem set of LP640 tail lights for $1300. Not the 6.2 style and not just one of them. Plus that one was still $500 more than what was said so basically he just proved my point. Also sorry to the OP that his thread got hijacked.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: 76mx on December 02, 2015, 09:20:04 PM
Faker,
   Please do expose me. Have I ever sold a replica for less than $55,000? How about $65,000? Was the one that was two cars ago $106,000? There is a world outside of this Forum.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Purple LP670 SV on December 02, 2015, 10:32:08 PM
Make hinges for $60-$100? lol! You really need to open your eyes bud, I just bought a set for $300 myself because it was such a ridiculous steal of a deal! To put it into perspective I am a Toolmaker by trade and when I was offered a set of hinges for $300 I jumped at the deal because I knew it was well worth the money! I can barely buy that material and machine those parts for that cost paying myself nothing. If anyone thinks I or anyone else overcharges for parts being made simply do not buy from that person, it's that easy!  ;)  Fact of the matter is we are all building cars and even when parts seem excessively overpriced try to put yourself in that persons shoes and think of the time they have taken away from there dream car to help you make your dream car a reality!
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: 76mx on December 02, 2015, 10:46:24 PM
Here is an odd thing. Lambo hinges are an outrageous $300, and yet when I make a quick check of street rod catalogs, the cheapest generic hinge that I can find is $349.95.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Purple LP670 SV on December 02, 2015, 10:57:24 PM
And the funny part is if I were to make a set for someone I would have to charge $600 plus just to make it worth my time. And I'd love to see a set that was made in 45 min! Either that guy is the greatest Machinist that ever was, or has a plethora of CNC's programmed and ready to rock! Minus a CNC it would take me close to 45min to make a pair of worthy pins for the hinges! I PROMISE you that! And no I am not slow, and yes custom made machined parts are very expensive, and for a reason! I consider it a slap in the face to what I do when people consider the prices associated with the work being done atrocious!

Stay Classy!!!  ::tongue
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: mhotmarkx1 on December 03, 2015, 02:12:18 AM
No i did not buy the car because i did not want to invest 50K and then not be able to be roadworthy. I have done more research and the builder has also notified the Canadian police as to this mess. So i am a little reluctant to purchase this car.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: faker on December 03, 2015, 03:24:46 AM
wait, seems i may have offended some people, yes sorry but 45 minutes is correct, ill try and get the video from him so you can see them being made, thats the problem, its only this group that i really see it, you cant expect that price tag and actually think your gonna sell your car, im sure somebody stupid will do it of course, but then again just saying, look around, its only with the people linked here, literally you guys, 76 mx im not even gonna get started lol your the same guy i believe who thought the sky was falling and we would all be sued by Lamborghini lol so i will pass on arguing with you. second purple  i respect your build and quality you bring to the table is hands down amazing, again the moral of my post is you will consistently see people selling replicas online for 95k or 55k lets get real fellas yes purple your build has a full dairy backing it up and quality work, but people are selling 1980 feiros lol with yes thousands into them for an extremely large amount with zero history, nothing verifying that the car was built with quality, they take a quick video of the car rolling.

again this was not a way of hijacking a post, i will move forward, its just an opinion, you guys must remember its not only "your way" of doing things, door hinges are made a couple different ways, maybe that was my mistake because yes i can have a set made for about 100, i cant say the quality is nearly as good as what is being sold on here, but why pay a guy 400. if we continue the cost at that rate, we will spend 100k to ccomplete a replica. my last post was very strong, i appologise for expressing my self the way i did on this thread. PurpleLP and notnilc20 if im correct you both where extremely supportive to me so please i don't want to ruffle your feathers because i am very thankful for your support when i bought my build, lets continue on with this thread and ignore any further comments, i shouldn't have opened my mouth. I also appologise for posting this on the wrong thread it was never intended for this thread it was for the Diablo that was posted on ebay that had all the secret issues and bad storys behind it. Sorry lets move on.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: faker on December 03, 2015, 03:55:28 AM
btw sorry, spelling and punctuation is horrible, i am useing one of the first smart phones at the moment with a really small screen. anyway im out of here fellas im gone ill delete the thread, good luck on your builds and again if i hurt feelings its just from my experience and believe it or not i have been creeping around here for different information for years so only my opinion. anyway seeya guys around good luck.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: 76mx on December 03, 2015, 09:44:32 AM
More wrong information. I never said that anyone was going to be sued by anybody.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: AsantiLP on December 03, 2015, 11:52:44 AM
maybe that was my mistake because yes i can have a set made for about 100, i cant say the quality is nearly as good as what is being sold on here, but why pay a guy 400. if we continue the cost at that rate, we will spend 100k to complete a replica.

So, yes, those replicas you saw going for 55k and 95k were probably built with the high quality expensive parts, so you can't expect that person to sell it for 20k after he spent twice that much just for parts to build it, right? And what about labor cost, wheels, paint, interior etc? You said it yourself, it would cost us $100k if we are using those high quality parts. Trust me if someone is asking 95k for a replica it will most likely not be built on a fiero and it will be a very high quality custom chassis build. That still doesn't mean he will get 95k but I bet that must be a very nice car :)....Now, if you want to buy a complete replica for $20k then you are getting what you paid for, which is a replica built with those cheap parts that are made in "45" minutes, so then when you drive your "affordable" lambo replica, don't be surprised when that hinge breaks and your door falls off the car when you open it in front of people lol

I do understand your frustration though...I saw many replicas for sale where buyer wants a crazy amount for a car that is just a joke, but trust me an intelligent person will never buy that car. Seller has a right to post whatever price he wants but if what he is selling is "crap" then nobody will buy it and sooner than later seller will realize they are way off on the price and will most likely lower it. If someone does buy it, then let them, because they were stupid enough to do so. Why should you care, right? It's their money and they can do whatever they want with it.

Personally, I would never buy a replica without seeing it in person and test driving it first. If you are spending more than 20k on a car, why not spend $500 more for an airplane ticket to make sure you don't waste your money on garbage. Just my 2 cents :)

Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: mhotmarkx1 on December 03, 2015, 12:03:42 PM
Please do me all a favor, pick another (or start your own) post to argue. I am trying to stick to the topic of warning others the issues of purchasing a kit that I have first hand experienced. I would greatly appreciate it.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Tusabes on December 03, 2015, 02:16:51 PM
This car was built by Jim dinner so its top quality

The issue is it may have been reported stolen and paid by an insurance company , had its vin removed, and could possibly be seized from the new buyer

So while a Jim dinner built replica is clearly worth way more than your average replica , this particular one may not even be worth $100 as was mentioned, if it was imported illegally or paid out by an insurance company
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: mhotmarkx1 on December 03, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
Jim and I talked extensively regarding this mess. He produced a quality build and GTA Exotic Rental Company in Toronto f*'d this up for any future kit buyer. Jim, thanks for all your assistance and we all know that this is not your fault in anyway.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: jdinner on December 03, 2015, 08:36:10 PM
Just got word from Metro Toronto Police. No wrongdoing was found with the sale or export after an investigation. 
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: mhotmarkx1 on December 04, 2015, 12:34:40 AM
So did they actually sell it with the VIN attached and titled to that guy in Texas. And if so, why would he not have the VIN or title or receipts? Weird. It sounds like MTP did a check for stolen and insurance write offs and thats all. That may or may not mean that the actual sale included everything correctly. I dont know.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: mhotmarkx1 on December 04, 2015, 07:09:59 AM
So then between this great guy in Dallas and the legal sale from GTA how has everything disappeared and gone wrong?
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: 76mx on December 04, 2015, 07:35:08 AM
He is not in Dallas, he is in Fort Worth. Dallas is a suburb of Fort Worth. The no reserve auction is over. Who bought it and how much?
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Supercobra on December 04, 2015, 09:34:58 AM
Didn't sell - zero bids
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: eddie on December 04, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
So all the drama for nothing?
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: jdinner on December 04, 2015, 03:39:21 PM
According to Metro Toronto Police, the border crossing was legit. It was an unidentified VIN number so none was used. It was never reported stolen.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: mhotmarkx1 on December 10, 2015, 10:09:05 AM
Hey Jim, what would it take to get this old paperwork? To get it registered stateside?
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: eddie on December 10, 2015, 10:38:33 AM
My opinion on this, if JIM gives you the paper work  its  Canadian
To re registered you'll end up paying custom /duty/ tax ? The car was sold for more back in days I think.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: Tusabes on December 10, 2015, 01:54:43 PM
Yes there's a reason it's better to get assigned a new USA vin number as a special construction kit car .

If you use the Canadian vin and paperwork you'll need to deal with a DOT/EPA importation which can cost thousands
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: jdinner on December 11, 2015, 04:27:47 AM
As I have said before, I built the car. I ordered all materials and the rental company paid for everything. All the invoices were in their name. I did't get any paperwork.
Title: Re: 1980 Diablo Roadster Replica, 22000 miles for $54,900 for sale currently on eBay
Post by: eddie on December 11, 2015, 05:08:51 AM
that's it! case closed. find other car