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How To - Tips => Electrical => Topic started by: kent50 on November 14, 2012, 03:26:15 PM
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Hello,
I'm hoping that someone can help me out here. I am unclear as to what each part of the LP640 tail lights do. I have attached a picture that I copied from another thread, hope the owner doesn't mind. Can anyone tell me which of the numbered areas light for running lights, turn signals, brakes ect?
(http://lamboclone.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397.0;attach=2636)
Thanks,
Kent50
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Maybe this will help, that was my picture! But it's cool as long as it helps ::beers
http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=3.0 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=3.0)
Dustin
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Thanks Dustin. So the "Star" lights are just for the turn signals then? Is the running/brake light LED as well or is it a standard bulb?
Thanks Again,
Kent
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The "stars" are just reflectors and the tail lights use simple non-LED bulbs. At $4,000 for a new set you'd expect so much more wouldn't you? ::toothy
Be prepared to cut the OEM pigtails off. I looked for a stock connector to use on the car and keep the wiring simpler. I gave up and went with a 8 pin trailer connector for each tail light. These are designed for outdoor use and will let you easily unplug and remove a tail light for future servicing. You'll have six non-common and a common ground per side so you'll use seven pins total leaving one unused pin.
Chris
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That picture is a bit decieving though, it does not show the turn signal lamps or the reverse lamps which are on the underside. Lamp #1 is the fog lamp, #2, 3 & half of 4 are the running lights, and the other half (dual element bulb) of #4 is the brake light.
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Hi,
If you can give me the part no. on the original plug I think I may be able to track the socket down for you. It is definately VAG.
Cheers
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Hi,
If you can give me the part no. on the original plug I think I may be able to track the socket down for you. It is definately VAG.
Cheers
That would be great! I haven't cut mine yet, I cant bring myself to do it :'( I will try to get 'the number off mine, if someone can get it before me feel free ::thumbup
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Thanks for all of the input. I think I have it straight. Time to start the tail light project!
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Hi,
If you can give me the part no. on the original plug I think I may be able to track the socket down for you. It is definately VAG.
Cheers
That would be great! I haven't cut mine yet, I cant bring myself to do it :'( I will try to get 'the number off mine, if someone can get it before me feel free ::thumbup
I looked at my connectors (LP640 taillights) and the numbers are very small and the detail is not that sharp. I looked at both sides and these are the numbers that I came up with.
They have a VW / Audi logo on them:
The first set of numbers are
1J0 073 935
or
1JO 073 935
Germany AMP
In the next set, the first four characters are ZSB1
The next three could be 954 984 958 or 968
The last three could be 594 694 or 894
Inside the connector are 10 blade style male connections and they are situated five on the top and five on the bottom. One side of the connector is rounded and the other side is flat (see the picture).
Chris
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More information:
LP640 Taillight Wiring
3 x black wire = ground
Blue wire = fog light
Brown wire = main light (5W)
Green wire = reverse
White wire = main light ( 2 x 3W)
Red wire = brake
Yellow wire = turn light
Chris
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Hi,
I think I have found a plug connector - this is a male connection and has the securing clip on the outside , a picture of the inside of the socket would help , but as long as the pins are sticking out then this should be the one. I will check further. :)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w198/V12-Runner/Lightplugconnector.jpg)
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I'll tell you a little secret. HELLA rear lamps produces. In a factory in Slovenia ...... No italy, no germany :-)
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I'll tell you a little secret. HELLA rear lamps produces. In a factory in Slovenia ...... No italy, no germany :-)
I'm not surprised to hear that. It just goes to show that plastic and car companies can lie. ;D
I would've loved to lived near the factory that made these, I would've pulled every reject out of their trash and sold them for $1000 a set and used the money to buy a real LP640. ::tongue
Chris
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@ String can you get these? ::bounce ::toothy ::beers
Thanks,
Dustin
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Pictures of a OEM connector on a LP640 tail light. After I took the pictures and magnified them, I can read the numbers better:
1J0973835 964854 ZSB1-966 694
While we are figuring this out, I've included some pictures of a OEM horn and the factory connection that I need factory connectors for. Only two blades in this connector and there are three sections of plastic inside for alignment.
Chris
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I think this last link confirms that 1J0 973 735 is the part number we are looking for. Look at the last set of connectors on this page and it show the male and female connectors and we have a match.
http://www.passatplus.de/umbauteile/stecker/stecker2.htm (http://www.passatplus.de/umbauteile/stecker/stecker2.htm)
Here are a couple places that you can buy the connector on the tail lights online for around $12.00 each.
http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/genuine-part-housing_123475.html (http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/genuine-part-housing_123475.html)
http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/8_Pin/ES9121/ (http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/8_Pin/ES9121/)
This is for the connector on the wiring harness side of the car:
http://www.vwpartscenter.net/parts/index.cfm?make=Volkswagen&year=&searchText=1J0-973-735&action=oePartSearch&siteid=215911&gclid=CI_JxfiI1bMCFegWMgodKkwAQw (http://www.vwpartscenter.net/parts/index.cfm?make=Volkswagen&year=&searchText=1J0-973-735&action=oePartSearch&siteid=215911&gclid=CI_JxfiI1bMCFegWMgodKkwAQw)
Around $10 each.
Just need a match for the horns. ::toothy
Chris
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Sweet I know what my next purchase is Monday!
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Part of the reason for finding these might have been due to the part number changing.
6R0973735 is the new part number
http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Jetta_III--2.0/ES1304803/ (http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Jetta_III--2.0/ES1304803/)
http://www.idparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2851 (http://www.idparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2851)
http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/genuine-part-housing_1754480.html (http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/genuine-part-housing_1754480.html)
Chris
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So the only part outstanding is the connection pins , which from VW are length of wire with a terminal crimped on each end - 000 979 133 , and also rubber seals 1.0mm - 357 972 741. I can get the wurth part numbers for crimp on connectors & seals if that helps.
Regards , Neil
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The flat connectors are .60 a piece and can be bought online at:
https://www.worldimpex.com/item_detail.html?sku=163953 (https://www.worldimpex.com/item_detail.html?sku=163953)
You'll need 20 obviously (ten for each side). These are the tin coated version instead of the more expensive gold version that can run at about $9.00 (a piece) for a already soldered wire and connector.
The grommets can be ordered from the same place and they are around $2.00 each. ($40 in grommets!)
http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/genuine-part-grommet_123296.html (http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/genuine-part-grommet_123296.html)
There has to be a less expensive solution to the grommets and I'm not wondering if a dab of silicone on each wire and then wrap everything with rubberized tape wouldn't do the same thing?
Chris
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VAG or Wurth for prices , will find out next week .
What is the part no. on the horn so I can cross reference. ::toothy
Cheers.
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VAG or Wurth for prices , will find out next week .
What is the part no. on the horn so I can cross reference. ::toothy
Cheers.
The part numbers on the horns are:
3B0951221C (Low Bass Horn)
3B0951223C (High Pitch Horn)
The connectors appear to be exactly the same and they are integrated into the side of the horn instead of being on a pigtail.
Thanks for your help.
Chris
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Looks like these are the ones you want....
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w198/V12-Runner/Transporterfanfarehornconnectors.jpg)
I hope that helps. ;)
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That helps a lot Neil.. thank you! ::thumbup
I love when this site is used to pull minds and resources together to solve problems and answer questions. ::headbang
OEM horn electrical connectors found at $8.50 each (need 2).
http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/products/Audi/A5-Sportback/Valve-unit-torque-converter-to-fit-use-workshop-material-steering-gear-starter-solenoid-valve-power-steering-motor--liftgate-intake-manifold-injector-/5487494/4D0971992.html (http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/products/Audi/A5-Sportback/Valve-unit-torque-converter-to-fit-use-workshop-material-steering-gear-starter-solenoid-valve-power-steering-motor--liftgate-intake-manifold-injector-/5487494/4D0971992.html)
They appear to use the same flat blade style wire connector as the tail lights and these are $.60 each (x 4) at
https://www.worldimpex.com/item_detail.html?sku=163953 (https://www.worldimpex.com/item_detail.html?sku=163953)
Thanks,
Chris
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I thought I would check with the supplier of electricals I normally use , and these seals seem to be suitable, Ref: 3-7760
http://www.polevolt.co.uk/acatalog/Small_Superseal_Connectors.html (http://www.polevolt.co.uk/acatalog/Small_Superseal_Connectors.html)
Personally I would rather get a load in and put them in envelope and send them out to people.
Keep coming back to these though ...Ref: 3-4787-2/10
http://www.polevolt.co.uk/acatalog/Econoseal_Connectors.html (http://www.polevolt.co.uk/acatalog/Econoseal_Connectors.html)
They work out to 10p each.....mmmm
Not sure if the terminals at the botom of this page will fit the housing.
http://www.polevolt.co.uk/acatalog/Junior_Power_Timer_Connectors.html (http://www.polevolt.co.uk/acatalog/Junior_Power_Timer_Connectors.html)
I do like people who offer discount on quantity though.. :)
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Ok everyone, I've found a supplier in the US that sells the rubber grommets and the metal connectors. I'm ordering 100 of each and I will need 25 for myself. 25 pieces should be enough to complete the connectors for a pair of tail lights and the Hi - Low OEM horn set. I'm offering to sell the other 3 sets (25 per set) to the first three people that contact me and complete a $20 payment in PayPal.
I'll take care of shipping as long as it's in the US.
This does not include the plastic holders, tools or wire. This is just for the rubber seals and the metal clips that you use to assemble the electrical connectors inside the plastic holders.
Thanks,
Chris
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Information on the Tyco Superseal connectors.
Chris
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Im in, whats your Paypal? ::beers
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Im in, whats your Paypal? ::beers
I'm sending you a private message so my email address isn't shown in the thread. Believe it or not, there are programs called "email bots" that use guest access and collect emails from the forums. This email information is then sold to spammers who then turn around and annoy the heck out of you. ::pirate
Thanks,
Chris
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wow, didnt know good info ::beers
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The parts that I ordered are starting to come in and I can confirm a positive match for the two plastic housings.
Horns - 4D0971992
LP640 Tail lights - 1J0-973-835
The blade connectors that go inside these housings are larger than connectors I ordered so I'm forced to buy the VW connectors at $.60 each. PN# N-906-844-05
The grommets I bought appear to work fine and as soon as I get the wire and connector stuff worked out, I'll assemble mine and document the process here.
I don't know how I missed it but there is one more connector on the tail lights besides the 10 pin connector that we figured out previously. The female socket part number appears to be 1J0-973-702 (I'm posting a picture of it). These are also around $8.50 each and they use the smaller sized blade connector inside the socket.
Does anyone know what this connector is for? Mine is tied off to the harness therefore I'm wondering if this is an optional connector for rear fog lights or something. If this is the case, I'll either wire mine with my brake lights or with a strobe that I plan on running for the head lights (Pace car style).
Thanks,
Chris
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Hi, I'm pretty sure that connector is only on the L/H light and is to supply power for the number plate lamps . The wire should be the same colour and therfore have continuity with two centre bulb holders-tail lights.
Cheers
Matching connector would be 1J0 973 702
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Hi, I'm pretty sure that connector is only on the L/H light and is to supply power for the number plate lamps . The wire should be the same colour and therfore have continuity with two centre bulb holders-tail lights.
Cheers
Matching connector would be 1J0 973 702
I looked and the small connector is actually on both tail lights. Anyone have any idea what this extra connector is for?
Thanks,
Chris
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A member messaged me today and suggested that the connection is for the side markers which would make sense. I'm assuming that these are simple power feed wires out to the side markers so they turn on with the rest of the lights.
I suppose that now the search switches to connectors for the side markers so that a harness can be made to connect these to the tail light connector. This would be reapplied to the front markers and I'd run these off of the head light assemblies.
Chris
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I have used Caspers Electronics Weatherproof connectors for all connector needs for new wiring and replacing connectors where you don't have matching connector halves.
I got mine at Summit Racing. Get a big box or two. They get used up fast.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cei-103005/overview/ (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cei-103005/overview/)
These connectors are like the connectors used by GM. They have rubber seals for water and dirt protection.
RT
Also found at Jegs
http://www.jegs.com/i/Caspers-Electronics/182/103014/10002/-1?parentProductId=757789 (http://www.jegs.com/i/Caspers-Electronics/182/103014/10002/-1?parentProductId=757789)
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Here is a good link to Tail Light info...
http://www.safeer.us/?p=239 (http://www.safeer.us/?p=239)
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Anyone know of a video that shows the tail lights in operation. I am particularly interested in the turn signals. I'm not sure if they all flash at the same time or they are sequential. I am also interested in the color of the bulbs.
Mike
Edit: Apparently they flash in unison. I did find this video where the trun signals can be seen briefly at :55.
Loud Lamborghini LP640 in NYC At Night - Start Ups and Driving (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB9Sv0R6pYA#ws)
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Well the taillight turn signals are wired from the factory to flash in unison and not sequential, so does that answer your question?
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I just finished taking pictures of my LP640 tail lights and all the wiring. I have a couple days off this week and I plan on doing a detailed post for the tail lights, side markers, reverse lights in the rear grill and the third brake light on the roadster.
I tried to use OEM connectors whenever possible (mostly Audi part numbers) so everything could be unplugged later on for maintenance or replacement and the connections would look finished.
Chris
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Murci-Me, yep that is what I was looking for. Thanks. The video I posted above shows them in action.
Chris, I know you have been working on that. It sounds like you have done a great job. I will look forward to that thread.
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More to come..
Chris
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Thanks. Looks like great information!