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How To - Tips => Electrical => Topic started by: usmc_butler on May 02, 2013, 09:59:39 AM
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What is everyone using for the Murci 3rd Brake light? Im ready to get this ordered and start the install of this.
Thanks,
Dustin
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Do you know the length? I was thinking of getting something like this, but I need to know the length before I purchase one. It looks like you can modify it pretty easily.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330853381676?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/330853381676?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
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I had some spare 10mm Red LED's from my tail lights. Very high intensity. I used them inside the third light/vent part. Just wired them up and sent the lead to the brake light line that was OEM to the MR2. I used a piece of tinted plexi in the front to cover them up and just bonded it in place.
(http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/MDMurcy2/Clone%20Forum%20Album/IMG_3423.jpg) (http://s1117.photobucket.com/user/MDMurcy2/media/Clone%20Forum%20Album/IMG_3423.jpg.html) (http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k587/MDMurcy2/Clone%20Forum%20Album/IMG_3422.jpg) (http://s1117.photobucket.com/user/MDMurcy2/media/Clone%20Forum%20Album/IMG_3422.jpg.html)
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Ya Auto thats kind of what I was thinking or what MDMurci did. Im not around the car right now but maybe somebody will chime in and give us a length. I know a Tallon bought everything OEM and wasn't very much if I remember correctly... Ill check out Lambo stuff and see what OEM prices are ::study
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Ok so OEM is prob worth getting, everything including the screws run $152.82 including shipping..
Gonna have to wait a couple weeks, got a few things I need to ship out to some people before I order more stuff :'(
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This is THE item , not sure if the mgf was sold stateside, but this company may ship.
http://www.s-v-c.co.uk/product/mgf-high-level/ (http://www.s-v-c.co.uk/product/mgf-high-level/)
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This is THE item , not sure if the mgf was sold stateside, but this company may ship.
[url]http://www.s-v-c.co.uk/product/mgf-high-level/[/url] ([url]http://www.s-v-c.co.uk/product/mgf-high-level/[/url])
Oh wow thats even a better deal ::toothy
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Was going to call them but said the product is temporarly out of stock :( Guess Ill have to keep checking back ::help
I emailed them and asked about shipping ::study
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This is THE item , not sure if the mgf was sold stateside, but this company may ship.
[url]http://www.s-v-c.co.uk/product/mgf-high-level/[/url] ([url]http://www.s-v-c.co.uk/product/mgf-high-level/[/url])
I had seen that one before but they don't have any :'(
Try White Racing Products, they have it for $100.98
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I bought mine OEM from lambostuff at $75. lemme know if you still need the measurments
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I'm using OEM for my roadster so it fits perfectly inside the engine cover grille. My problem has been finding a part number for the electrical connector that plugs into the OEM light bar. Soldering a couple wires to the leads would be easy but I really want mine to plug in so it can be replaced in the future without all the hassle of re-soldering wires. Removal of the engine cover and components would also be much easier if everything came apart like original.
Anyone have this part number for the electrical plug that is part of the harness?
Chris
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you know chris i might just create us a solution once i'm at that point in my build ::rocker I am still in week 1 ::headbang
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I'm assuming there is some VW or Audi part out there that was used as with most of all the rest of the new Lamborghini electrical components and I've yet to find the part number of cross reference. I went as far as looking up the Lambo part number in the VW / Audi catalog and it gave me a light bar cross reference to a Audi A6. I found someone on EBay that was parting out an A6 and bought the light bar with the connector (just wanting the connector) and what I got back was the same part number but completely wrong for a roadster. I'm guessing that the cross reference was for a coupe and not a roadster and the connector / light bar is completely different.
Chris
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I bought mine OEM from lambostuff at $75. lemme know if you still need the measurments
Yes please, can you post the length? Thanks ::beers
How did you get that price? Not even with my dealer price does it go down that much.
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Here it is:
13.75" Front Length
3/4" front (lens) height
1/2" rear height
1.5" deep
very little curve (neglectable).
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I'm using OEM for my roadster so it fits perfectly inside the engine cover grille. My problem has been finding a part number for the electrical connector that plugs into the OEM light bar. Soldering a couple wires to the leads would be easy but I really want mine to plug in so it can be replaced in the future without all the hassle of re-soldering wires. Removal of the engine cover and components would also be much easier if everything came apart like original.
Anyone have this part number for the electrical plug that is part of the harness?
Chris
Are we talking about the plug connector 867 906 231 ? , which cross refs to 191 906 231A ,if so I will check tomorrow , I'm sure I've got one on my loom to check.
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1 min search - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mgf-brake-light-hella-Rover-brand-new-MG-Rover-brand-new-high-level-brake-/190834661888?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D190767880480%26ps%3D54 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mgf-brake-light-hella-Rover-brand-new-MG-Rover-brand-new-high-level-brake-/190834661888?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D190767880480%26ps%3D54)
and ships worldwide.
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I'm using OEM for my roadster so it fits perfectly inside the engine cover grille. My problem has been finding a part number for the electrical connector that plugs into the OEM light bar. Soldering a couple wires to the leads would be easy but I really want mine to plug in so it can be replaced in the future without all the hassle of re-soldering wires. Removal of the engine cover and components would also be much easier if everything came apart like original.
Anyone have this part number for the electrical plug that is part of the harness?
Chris
Are we talking about the plug connector 867 906 231 ? , which cross refs to 191 906 231A ,if so I will check tomorrow , I'm sure I've got one on my loom to check.
I'm looking around for one of those connectors that you listed and I'm willing to gamble the $10 and see if we have a match. I think I found one in the UK and it's from a 1988 VW Golf MK2 GTI 8V (possible 3rd brake light or windshield wiper motor connector).
Thanks String.. you are the master at figuring out the OEM electrical connectors! ::beers
Chris
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This connector housing is identical looking to my loom housing and the connectors are the right size.
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String.. you are the man! ::headbang
I'll order one and give it a try and report the experience here.
Thanks again
Chris
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1 min search - [url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mgf-brake-light-hella-Rover-brand-new-MG-Rover-brand-new-high-level-brake-/190834661888?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D190767880480%26ps%3D54[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mgf-brake-light-hella-Rover-brand-new-MG-Rover-brand-new-high-level-brake-/190834661888?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D190767880480%26ps%3D54[/url])
and ships worldwide.
Is this an identicalal part to OEM or just close enough?
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Pictures of a OEM LP640 roadster brake light connector. The connectors are two pins versus to blade style connectors like what is shown for PN 867 906 231.
This is a really odd connector but I can't believe that Audi would've made something special just for this brake light and not borrowed something from the VW Audi parts bin.
Just need to keep looking...
Chris
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Arrgh , that is not the same connection ..... the info I posted is all coupe . The lens on your light looks angled and of course the coupe light connection is a quarter of the length inboard.
I will try to track down the connector -
Cheers
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OK - got it , the brake light is Audi A6 avant and the connector [ 893 971 632 ] is widely used.
Phew , close call - thought I was going to lose the 'Master' title there for a minute. ::angel
Cheers
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Great find! Is the light for the A6 for roadsters or coupes?
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Great find! Is the light for the A6 for roadsters or coupes?
Be careful on this one.. I bought a brake light and pigtail from an Audi that according to the cross references would work.
- 1998-04 Audi A6 3rd brake light with harness
What I ended up with was a brake light with the same part number but was completely different than my OEM roadster brake light (length and shape).
Chris
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The light is for avant(didn't I mention that ..) :) , and here is a pic of the connector....
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Can you tell from a pic if it is correct ...? , if so try the part number in ebay.de and see if it looks right..
Great find! Is the light for the A6 for roadsters or coupes?
Be careful on this one.. I bought a brake light and pigtail from an Audi that according to the cross references would work.
- 1998-04 Audi A6 3rd brake light with harness
What I ended up with was a brake light with the same part number but was completely different than my OEM roadster brake light (length and shape).
Chris
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The light is for avant(didn't I mention that ..) :) , and here is a pic of the connector....
String, is that picture from the internet or is this the actual connector on a roadster?
It looks like the connector you posted earlier so if this picture is from an actual roadster, there is a good chance the part number you suggested is correct and maybe this the contacts that change from blade to round style.
Thanks,
Chris
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String, I think you are right on 893 971 632 for the plastic connector and the contacts look like 000 979 133 E for the roadster 3rd brake light.
I'll order some and give them a try.
Thanks,
Chris
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Hi, the pics of the connector are of the one I have on my loom , I have attached a pic end on.
The dimensions are 12mm wide x 7mm tall and section between angled corners 7mm.
Looks like you've researched the light in depth so not sure how to confirm the light any further.
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Hi, the pics of the connector are of the one I have on my loom , I have attached a pic end on.
The dimensions are 12mm wide x 7mm tall and section between angled corners 7mm.
Looks like you've researched the light in depth so not sure how to confirm the light any further.
On order and we'll see what shows up in the mail. :)
I think with your help we've finally solved this for a roadster.
Chris
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does Diablo and Murcie share same 3rd light?? Diablo guys use VW Golf hatch back.
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There are at least 3 different styles of OEM brake light bars.
Coupe
PN - 410945249A 2010 LP640 Coupe - USA
PN - 410945249A 2009 LP640 Coupe - USA
PN - 410945249A 2008 LP640 Coupe - USA
PN - 410945249A 2007 LP640 Coupe - USA
PN - 410945249A 2006 Coupe - USA
PN - 0R1470010 2005 Coupe - USA
PN - 0R1470010 2004 Coupe - USA
PN - 0R1470010 2003 Coupe - USA
PN - 0R1470010 2002 Coupe - USA
PN - 006132280 Supplementary Brake Light Connector for Coupe years 2002-05
Roadster
PN - 4B9945097 2010 LP640 Roadster
PN - 4B9945097 2009 LP640 Roadster
PN - 4B9945097 2008 LP640 Roadster
PN - 4B9945097 2007 LP640 Roadster
PN - 4B9945097 2006 Roadster
PN - 4B9945097 2005 Roadster
Part Number - 0R1470010 (2002 - 2005 Coupe)
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Part Number - 410945249A (2006 - 2010 Coupe / LP640 Coupe)
(http://www.lamboclone.com/uploads/410945249A.jpg)
Part Number - 4B9945097 (2005 - 2010 Roadster / LP640 Roadster)
(http://www.lamboclone.com/uploads/4B9945097.jpg)
Chris
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My search still continues for the pigtail / connector for a LP640 Roadster third brake light.
The parts I ordered came in and 893971632 didn't match up.
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I'm almost ready to throw in the towel and just solder on some leads and use a two prong connector. :(
Chris
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Chris you worked on this a lot...
When I get to that point I'm probably gonna take my PC apart and look for a pin that works x_O if none work then I'll make one or maybe I'll make 10 lol
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That is a total bummer , I am having trouble finding a connector that small - here is a pic of one that I have next to each other - but even that one is 9mm x 5mm.
Smallest I have found is these 2 on a parts pic, don't have one to measure.
One more idea is to ask our 'roadster owning member' jonv8944s if he would undertake the task of inspecting his plug connector for a part number...
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I don't know which is worst, your phone pics or your descriptions. Give me the width of the hole that the needed plug goes into and the max height of the same plug. Now the tricky part: Correct me if I have been misinformed but the pins on the brake light are round? What is the spacing on the two pins? And the pins are lower than the horizontal centerline? If the pin spacing is the same as for example: a Speedo cluster plug or an radio plug, could you just grind it down to fit into the light? or are the pins larger than the type on a radio. Thanks guys. ;-) Jim
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I don't know which is worst, your phone pics or your descriptions. Give me the width of the hole that the needed plug goes into and the max height of the same plug. Now the tricky part: Correct me if I have been misinformed but the pins on the brake light are round? What is the spacing on the two pins? And the pins are lower than the horizontal centerline? If the pin spacing is the same as for example: a Speedo cluster plug or an radio plug, could you just grind it down to fit into the light? or are the pins larger than the type on a radio. Thanks guys. ;-) Jim
Thanks for the offer Jim but I want to keep looking for the elusive connector a while longer and make one as suggested if all else fails. My goal is to locate the factory connector that I hope is an interchangeable part and can be sourced inexpensively. The connector not only has to fit in there and align with the connectors but also lock in place on the outside and be easily separated in the future. I'm still hopeful of locating this part number and documenting here on the site for future reference and complete another piece of the puzzle.
The pictures were a bit of a challenge given how small the part is but I think they give the general idea of the differences that I was trying to point out. The pictures of the brake light bars that I added previously are all stock photos borrowed from other websites.
Thanks,
Chris
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That is a total bummer , I am having trouble finding a connector that small - here is a pic of one that I have next to each other - but even that one is 9mm x 5mm.
Smallest I have found is these 2 on a parts pic, don't have one to measure.
One more idea is to ask our 'roadster owning member' jonv8944s if he would undertake the task of inspecting his plug connector for a part number...
String,
I think that's the trick to solving this and getting someone with a roadster to find a part number and cross reference it. I've contacted Jon and I might post something out there on one of the Lamborghini owner forums.
Thanks,
Chris
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Quit biting your fingernails. A simple brake light plug isn't worth it! ::headbang ::LAMBO
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I do believe I have found it , I will order one and measure it - then I will send your way. ::thumbup
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I do believe I have found it , I will order one and measure it - then I will send your way. ::thumbup
That looks like the right one. ::thumbup
Please PM me when it comes in and let me know how much it cost and I'll send you my address and we'll figure out how to get a payment to you.
I appreciate the effort String and personally I think it'll be nice to have this information out there for others who are building Murci roadsters once they get to the point of laying out their electrical systems (they can decide to use it or something else).
Thanks again,
Chris
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Ok , here are dimension pictures ,also has a metal tab to lock into the notch in the light body. ::salute
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I think that's a winner and I'll give it a try once it arrives and post something in the electrical section so others have a future reference.
Thanks String
Chris
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you are a gentelman and a schollar ::headbang I am almost at that stage and you find this!!! ::beers plz report once you get it :drool
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chris. did this thing arrive? what's the verdict! show us a fitment pic (:
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I received the part and yes it's a perfect fit.
I will try to take some pictures over the next couple of days and post a topic on it for future reference.
String is one heck of a nice guy and a big thanks goes out to him. ::beers
Chris
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Hey chief I reached a stage where I need one of those ::wave you gonna share the wealth lol?
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Hey chief I reached a stage where I need one of those ::wave you gonna share the wealth lol?
Ok.. I pulled out my boxes of electrical stuff and set up everything on the kitchen table so I can solder the connections and take some pictures to share. My wife has given me a deadline for reclaiming her table so I will work on this over the next couple of days. I'm buying four connectors from String and it's first come first serve at $20 for the plastic connector and the two metal contact inserts and shipping in the 48 states. Note that these are for the roadster third brake lights which are different from the third brake light on the coupes.
I've posted a complete write up for the LP640 OEM tail lights, the rear OEM side markers, the roadster OEM third brake light and OEM horns.
http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=1252.0 (http://lamboclone.com/index.php?topic=1252.0)
Chris
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Hahah thanks Chris I do my work on the kitchen island sometimes too - thank god I'm single x_O okay buddy sauder me a complete prong-2 wires setup and Paypal me ASAP (: I want to drive this thing next month already. I appreciate it