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Build Diaries => Aventador => Topic started by: Stephan Gerard on July 27, 2015, 12:08:55 AM
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Dear Lamboclone.com members:
Didn't know where to go to post someone on this web site. So I accidentally found myself in here. Maybe you could help me, or you could find a person for me please. I was thinking about all this 3D metal printing going on, they are building a bridge in Holland with a 3D printer and I thought why not build all the parts for a car? I am looking to see if they have a 3D metal printer large enough to make full scale auto parts, i.e.. the frame, framing, and the body panels to print out a car, then sand it down and then put it together. A real car made out of real metal like titanium. A Lambo made out of titanium instead of fiberglass! It wouldn't rust and would last way longer than fiberglass. Also make the engine parts as well!
Well there you have it maybe you can help and if you do well I am coming into some cash soon by 2016 and would buy the 3D printer and all the titanium oxide or powder that bonds together and remakes it self into titanium sheets. I guess the only thing you would need to buy would be the glass for the windshield windows and rear window. The fun thing is if there is a 3D printer large enough to do the job you can more than likely alter the design to be specifically your design or whomever is doing the building of the car! Been thinking about that for a while. I heard somewhere that Ford at an Auto show used a 3D printer to make a Cobra and it came out looking boss!
My name is Stephan Gerard and I live in Newry, PA and my telephone is 814-696-3651 or cell is 814-889-9215 hope to hear from you soon!
I am Respectfully:
Stephan Gerard Janosik.
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Without sounding like to much of a jerk I'll make this plain and simple. If you are coming into enough cash to buy such a printer, you should look into buying a handful of real Lambo's! Not one, not two, but a bunch of them. ;)
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Actually I was thinking it would be a great business to start. Not just Lambo's though imagine a lambo that isn't the cookie cutter lambo like the original. It would be designed specifically on the personal tastes of the person wanting to get it built. Instead of just one type of metal have two or three. Make it a piece of personal art as well as design. Have copper or bronze incorporated into the design of the car to up its artistic value as well. Change the interior design as well to fit the buyer, and not just have copies of the Lambo design team. The possibilities could be endless to how you can change the car's design not just the exterior also the interior. Make the car design signature towards what the buyer wants not just making the same car over and over and over again.
Respectfully:
Stephan Gerard Janosik.
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Stephan,
Per our phone conversation, I have looked up the info. Southeast Office Systems, Alpharetta (Atlanta) Georgia, 678-393-2700. My sales rep is Alan Head. They have the titanium machine you are looking for, but Purple LP is right, it is going to cost you at least 12 Lambos. Pardon his skepticism, we rarely get Fortune 500 people on this site.
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The metal printer you are describing, that is large enough to print car bodies and frames, would cost more than 20 million dollars. billion dollar engineering companies like boeing, lockheed martin have access to these machines, and they are not printing 100 dollar kit car fenders with it. so let me reiterate how rediculous this thread is.
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Stephan,
Yep, as I have already told you, the titanium machine that I spoke of is indeed at Boeing (with a capital B), in Marietta Georgia. They must have bought it at the demo or scratch and dent sale, it was three million plus training.
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Nothing wrong with asking the question, I guess
I do like the idea of metal printing a car, but the materials cost alone will bring real tears to your wallet. That beign said, it would involve you developing your own printer and controllers, not to mention the cabinet to build it in , beacuse it would need to be capable of containing an inert gas ie argon
Keep us posted on your progress, keep throwing out ideas, you never know for whom it might spark an idea that could solve the one last issue cause there are quite a few minds here that would be willing to help work through the challenges or point you into the right direction
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It never hurts to dream. It can bring on some great ideas, but let's be honest. That type of work will not happen for many years if ever. Not to mention ::LAMBO2 would shut you down in a heart beat. And any company capable of doing such work wouldn't risk the lawsuit if you actually did have the money to afford it.
I work for a subcontractor of Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop ect. ::usa You won't make a phone call past the welcome desk for this project. They are not a job shop... So please put that idea back to bed.
Once again, I'm not trying to be an A-Hole, just honest.
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I remember seeing one at a detroit show, and one sports car. Came out nicely but I would hold some concern about Lambo coming after you. I believe your high dollar printer would wind up in Lamborghinis safe!!
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SchulzeA,
I did not mean to suggest that he use the machine at Boeing. I am only familiar with that machine because I was in the right place at the right time when Southeast Office Systems sold it to them. I was there for a small machine. You make good points about Lambo's view of this, especially since they would be glad to provide this service their selves should a customer want it.
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My main reason for not digging any deeper on this subject was mainly because I was under the belief I was dealing with a dreamer that had no clue of the cost of such a machine! If the cost of the machine is understood, and someone please let me know if I'm way out of line, aside from the shear cost of the materials comes the reality of if it's possible. Yes they have 3d printed a very basic car etc. And yes the exterior would be a non issue, aside from it's grainy pourous surface finish you would get from a 3d printer. Which is what brings up my main point, the engine would still require several different types of metal, with different variations of Rockwell hardness, and an entire machine shop to hone, grind, and heat treat it's components! I'm not a 3d printing expert by no means, but there main purpose is to allow engineers the ability to test theories prior to releasing it to the work force or (fast prototyping). Which in no way is it as fast or as easy as the majority of people like to believe it is. In my opinion I would never get in a car with a 3d printed engine for fear the thing would surely grenade, doesn't matter what material you make it out of Billions upon Billions of cold joints is a disaster waiting to happen. Flexing springs and chassis components also come to mind. ;)
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Guys his idea is not that far off reality have a look at these
http://3dprint.com/30561/light-cocoon-edag-concept-car/ (http://3dprint.com/30561/light-cocoon-edag-concept-car/)
or
http://www.discovery.com/dscovrd/tech/meet-the-blade-the-worlds-first-3-d-printed-supercar/ (http://www.discovery.com/dscovrd/tech/meet-the-blade-the-worlds-first-3-d-printed-supercar/)
and if a Kiwi can print it at home in New Zealand in his garage
watch the video he shows how he did it
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/videos/8995908/Kiwi-3D-printing-an-Aston-Martin (http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/videos/8995908/Kiwi-3D-printing-an-Aston-Martin)
It wont be long and you will be able to order a custom designed car over the web and it will be printed out and delivered, I would give it about 5 yrs.
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Just please give it up....the answer is no! To print a honed or ground surface is not gonna happen anytime in the near future, to print a wiring harness, gaskets, glass, leather, foam, hardened and heat treated materials all in one won't happen. They use this method to test theories and it will never be affordable enough to make a practical car like what you see today! It is made up of layers and layers of material that will never have the makeup of a solid molded, extruded, stamped or billet piece. Anything is possible and maybe one day I'll be proven wrong but I can guarantee you it will all be kept in check to prevent the loss of jobs! Just like electric cars, it can not be allowed to get outta hand or we would completely fall apart as a society. Just think of the jobs and cash flow that would be lost, the technology is there, the impact it would have just simply can not be absorbed!
http://gizmodo.com/why-3d-printing-is-overhyped-i-should-know-i-do-it-fo-508176750 (http://gizmodo.com/why-3d-printing-is-overhyped-i-should-know-i-do-it-fo-508176750)
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Purple, I would agree with you on the near term but long term progress this will be in the cards
http://inhabitat.com/heres-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun-and-its-already-fired-50-bullets/ (http://inhabitat.com/heres-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun-and-its-already-fired-50-bullets/)
I think the bigger issue would be the consumables, where does the powdered metal come from? Will argon be enough to shield when making a durable part? Lots of unknowns but not insurmountable
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How much will it cost me to build a new Diablo ? And where can I get the kit from ....and I will love it if someone will help me the the chassis of the car...
I would appreciate your response guys... ::salute
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How much will it cost me to build a new Diablo ? And where can I get the kit from ....and I will love it if someone will help me the the chassis of the car...
I would appreciate your response guys... ::salute
Somewhere between $30,000 and $130,000 depending on your definition of a Diablo. It could go higher or lower, again depending on your definition. Bob at B&Bcustoms.com has a nice Diablo body kit. I can help you with the chassis for $8,000. To continue this , we should move to another thread.
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There is a webinar at 2PM-EST today by Stratasys about how Lambo is using 3-D printing to make production parts on the Aventador. Anyone can register at stratasys.com
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Purple, I would agree with you on the near term but long term progress this will be in the cards
[url]http://inhabitat.com/heres-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun-and-its-already-fired-50-bullets/[/url] ([url]http://inhabitat.com/heres-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun-and-its-already-fired-50-bullets/[/url])
I think the bigger issue would be the consumables, where does the powdered metal come from? Will argon be enough to shield when making a durable part? Lots of unknowns but not insurmountable
I was at a MAJOR gas turbine manufacturer about two months ago with one of the companies I own and they were 3D printing turbine blades and testing them for durability. They told me they could 3D print a turbine blade, ready to use in 3 days. A machinist can make one in a day. Plus 10 hours for heat treat process. BUT the 3D printer requires no pay, no benefits, works 24 hrs a day, etc, etc. It's coming, and fast.
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So they can print one ready to use in 3 days, but one made from a solid piece requires heat treating???? ::scratch do you understand my confusion with this concept? I'm not simply asking this question because I'm confused but I am a Tool and Die maker and understand the properties of metal very well. I still stand by my doubts. The very confusing thing is that even if this would magically become a possibility to print an entire car you would have to print every single part individually, and individually finish each part the way it is needed, ground, heat treated etc. Notice the gun video with several ground or polished surfaced, those surfaces were not printed that way! Do you honestly think it will hold up to 5000 shots? It was simply a company showing what they are capable of, which is great, but if it blew up at shot number 51 would they include that in there video? In manufacturing people are considered to be relatively cheap as far as cost per shop hour is concerned, so the fact that it takes a printer 3 days compared to an operator 1 tells me there is still a huge gap to fill. Yes things get faster as technology develops, but if you look at a material like plastic and think "I'm gonna push the limits" and force it to print faster, you'll come to the realization that a material can only flow at a certain rate without effecting strength quality and so on!
Sorry to disappoint but 3d printing does have a huge place in manufacturing just not production!