MODERATORS: My personal opinion is this thread should be split. We have definitely hijacked and derailed the original intent of this thread - it is a build diary remember? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see any clear connection between the OP and the scam allegedly perpetrated. I think it is fine to have this discussion, I just believe it belongs somewhere else.
This is post is not intended as a flame. We all just need to be honest, realistic and take personal responsibility.
What i mean is can we start and enforce a "zero tolerance policy" for people who are using this forum to sell their products.
This sounds nice but it simply isn't feasible.
Can we 1) require the sellers to settle all disputes with other members who have a valid claim against them?
You know, in a perfect world, that would be great. In reality, it is complicated. Who is going to verify there is actually a valid claim? How does anyone know there was even a transaction to begin with? Maybe the claim is from another vendor who is trying to destroy his competition? This site simply cannot guarantee all prior disputes have been settled.
2) Make sure that the vendor fills out a special page of required info such as true verified names and addresses and references w/ 2 contact phone numbers.
Again, who is going to verify the information provided to true and correct? Who is going to pay for the private detective to establish all this? If the buyer wants references, they can ask for them before doing business with the vendor. This isn't the site's responsibility.
3) make sure the vendor is a certain level of membership here with certain amount of time as a member in good standing.
I actually think this isn't a bad idea at all but I don't think it would solve the problem.
4) make sure that the vendor accepts paypal as the only method of payment.
Meh, this is between the buyer and seller. Why should Lamboclone get involved in the method of payment? Buyers need to be smart. Period.
5) must maintain a certain level of positive feedback in order to continue selling his/her product on this forum.
I actually think this isn't a bad idea either but it adds certain complications. It would be up to Chris if he wants to implement something like this.
Taking the time to prepare this and put it into action would require a little time and experimenting with options but the impact on the members lives in saving them from further catastrophic losses and mental anguish would be the most rewarding and achievment anyone could ever ask for. We all see good people/members getting ripped off almost every week here now and we cannot just turn our heads anymore and just say "settle this in court" or "post this on some back page" that no one reads. The forum is a direct link that connects the bad guys to innocent members and i strongly believe the forum has a responsibility to protect its members. We members are looking out for each other and we do our best but its not enough. We have all the tools needed to put this into action just need your help please understand and help us, thank you very much.
i feel the moderators should take the steps to ensure members safety, its not that difficult to do and would be a life saver of epic proportions.
If this is all "not that difficult", maybe you should start your own forum and make it happen. I'm sure it would be appreciated.
I do feel bad for the victims of unscrupulous vendors. However, selling parts is just one small part of this hobby. Everyone realizes this site is not LamboBay right? Lamboclone is not some escrow service that guarantees all transactions are risk-free. Chris (No Bull) isn't making any money off any of the transactions that occur here. He doesn't have the time to be the mediator between all parties in every dispute. Just because someone purchases from a vendor who advertised on this site does not mean that buyer has no personal responsibility to make sure he is conducting his business in a safe manner. Due diligence is still the buyer's responsibility! If there is a problem, the recourse we have on this forum is the vendor feedback system. Use it! Then pursue your legal options. Lamboclone does not endorse any vendor nor can they be responsible for any deal gone bad. It is really that simple.
The impact would be so great it would be like fighting terrorism.
Now that is just silly. These are just cars/car parts man! People aren't getting beheaded here. If you really want someone to protect you, talk to your congressman. They will be happy to take control of your life.
