OK, I'm on a budget and purchased 4 Drag 8.5x18 wheels from Discount Tire. They gave me the look that I wanted EXCEPT I needed 11" wides for the rear. I took them to WeldCraft in Livonia, MI. and had them widened 2.5". Here is what they looked like when I got them back. They said that they were backed up with 6 weeks work but they got mine in 5 weeks. Very nice guys to deal with. I sprayed them with etching primer and epoxy black prior to having my tires mounted. Jim